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That`s very good to hear !

I never like to tempt fate by hoping and praying I find my next "kayfun" or TopTank" and just accept the less than ideal ones as they come and go.

I`ve tossed more atomisers than I`ve ever used but once in a while (vape gods willing) I do find something and tend to stick with them for quite some time.

It`s always fingers crossed and hope for the best but am totally prepared to be disappointed - less stressful ;)
 

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That`s very good to hear !

I never like to tempt fate by hoping and praying I find my next "kayfun" or TopTank" and just accept the less than ideal ones as they come and go.

I`ve tossed more atomisers than I`ve ever used but once in a while (vape gods willing) I do find something and tend to stick with them for quite some time.

It`s always fingers crossed and hope for the best but am totally prepared to be disappointed - less stressful ;)

I agree!

One tip for you about the Hussar if you decide to switch out the standard pin for a smaller one -- there is an insulator under the positive, gold plated, post. It is very easy to dislodge this insulator when switching out the pin. Please take precautions against this. I lost mine and now the atty won't fire. When I get home again tomorrow night, I will search the area where I lost it with a magnifying glass and flashlight, and hopefully, I'll find it. If I'm not able to find it, I'll buy another Hussar, and make sure not to ever lose the insulator again!
 

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If I'm not able to find it, I'll buy another Hussar, and make sure not to ever lose the insulator again!

The little insulators are sold by quite a few vendors. Another boardie did the same thing while changing a pin on a tank. I don't know if she found/bought another 1 or not, but some should be interchangeable between many tanks I'd think.

ETA: Did it look similar to this one, on this positive pin...before it got flung across the room?

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You might want to start looking on this page from FT. Would have to check dimensions probably, at least the diameter of your pin.

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The little insulators are sold by quite a few vendors. Another boardie did the same thing while changing a pin on a tank. I don't know if she found/bought another 1 or not, but some should be interchangeable between many tanks I'd think.

ETA: Did it look similar to this one, on this positive pin...before it got flung across the room?

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You might want to start looking on this page from FT. Would have to check dimensions probably, at least the diameter of your pin.

FastTech - Gadgets and Electronics

That's a great idea. I will check them out. Thanks!
 
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That's a great idea. I will check them out. Thanks!

If none of those look like they'd work...you could contact HussarVapes through their Facebook page, and ask if maybe some US vendors who carry their tanks might have the insulators. Wouldn't hurt to ask maybe.
 

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It shouldn`t have to be this way - I`m becoming more convinced that the wicking design is to blame here.
(I cant imagine it could be anything else)

I can do a fairly quick and careless build on a Toptank RTA and it will perform well for about 3 days, that`s without ANY need to mess about, change or fiddle with anything.
Not to mention never needing a tissue or wash my hands when filling every. single. time.

What makes me laugh (& cry) is these 'reviewers' that just shove any old bit of cotton into the wicking slots (of any atomiser)
and lo and behold - it works !

I could do the same and of course it would work.....but for how long ?

What I want to know is whether they can leave that build intact and continue vaping without any issues at all....for hours, or even days !

I suspect adjustments must be made often [and likely full rebuilds] in many cases.

I have been testing out 2.5mm coils recently and HAVE noticed that the chances of leakage are more likely than when I was using 3mm coils with more rayon wick.
I still must really stuff those wick holes quite full to prevent a) worst case full on leakage and b) best case annoying gurgle + slow seepage.

Some builds work just great for a couple of days with minimal intervention, yet some fail within minutes and it`s not always visually obvious that the wicking is incorrect.
You can`t see the wick become dislodged once the chamber is on and the act of putting the tank together can potentially move the wick
(ie: drag the wick tails down as the chamber is screwed down and potentially make it touch the "oil film"/diffuser)
The more packed in the slots it is, the easier it is to become disturbed by the act of screwing on.

It`s certainly the most annoying thing about the Sirens for me, that`s for sure :glare:

The Siren wick holes are too big - and you can quote me on that (or use it as my epitaph)
Nicely said. I'm working on 3 gta reviews and 1 of them is finnicky for wicking and will be noted. No issues on the troll or fuji dual coil but the kumo needs to be wicked just right to prevent vaporlock but I go over that in it. I don't think most reviewers spend enough time with products. It's why I'm never really 1st to review stuff cause I take my time. I'm not in a rush. I'd rather be thorough. Most of them get so much stuff in they use it for like a day spin up a video and move on and never touch it again

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I agree!

One tip for you about the Hussar if you decide to switch out the standard pin for a smaller one -- there is an insulator under the positive, gold plated, post. It is very easy to dislodge this insulator when switching out the pin. Please take precautions against this. I lost mine and now the atty won't fire. When I get home again tomorrow night, I will search the area where I lost it with a magnifying glass and flashlight, and hopefully, I'll find it. If I'm not able to find it, I'll buy another Hussar, and make sure not to ever lose the insulator again!
Just buy a new build deck.
$7.51 Replacement Single Coil Build Deck for Coppervape Hussar RTA Atomizer at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
 

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I won't be able to check mine out as I'm away, but will be back Monday. Right now I'm on an ipad which my 18 yo grandson has put so much crap on that it will hardly function. Getting it to respond good enough just to leave this post has been a real chore.

BTW, my CC company alerted me thru my email and declined those bogas charges. The way Fogitup has responded to the Siren issue, if it was someone there that jacked my CC info to use, I would think that it was an employee and not the company per say, as I did get my refund and they did communicate all problems thru emails, so that's why I would think it to be a Lone Employee. I had to burn 2 other CC's before but have since started using Pay-Pal for the last year or so and have had no problems at all, up till now that is. I also use Pay-Pal at FT.
 

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Happy Easter - have a good time wherever you are and whatever you`re doing :thumb:

Soggy Siren Saga: Random Update

Friday afternoon I did my usual once/twice weekly mass clean & rebuild (vape chores - it drives me crazy :?: )

This time I paid particular attention to one Siren 25 and made a 3mm coil and stuffed it with rayon.

For testing purposes, I have only used this specific tank since then to give it a really good workout.

Now Sunday AM and on the 6th refill- it`s working absolutely fine - no leaking, no gurgling, no seepage at the base.

These things work great when they want to...as the old rhyme goes,
"When she was good, she was very, very good - but when she was bad, she was horrid" ;)
 

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One thing I have considered - too much wick can be a Bad Thing™

The siren needs a lot of wick just for normal functioning, yet I have found using a lot of wick tends to allow a lot of juice build-up inside the deck chamber.

So much so that cannot be vaped away in a reasonable amount of time, especially for a single coil.

If we weren`t forced to use as much, I believe this could go some way towards reducing the chance of oversaturation and eventual seepage.

Additionally:

Rayon is the most efficient wicking material I have used, but what if, in this application, rayon is actually too efficient ?

There really is a whole lot of rayon feeding into that single coil.

I wonder how some 'old school' 4 or 5mm braided silica with cotton core would work in this thing ?
Could it help tame the wicking speed and possibly curb the inclination to oversaturate and seep ?

No longer have bags full of various wicking materials here to try, but would have done out of curiosity.

Just some random musings for the day :)
 
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Back again with something else to consider....

As I was never able to get the Siren base apart and study the insides carefully - it occurred to me there might be another point of ingress for the liquid.

It always seemed obvious that any excess liquid was seeping into the holes on the "oil film" and slowly making it`s way down the airtube and out onto our annoyed sticky fingers....

but what if it`s actually seeping slowly under the bottom of the "oil film" diffuser and not directly into the holes at all ?

Not being able to see the insides, I don`t know how good the seal is between the top of the airtube (just below the threading)
and where it passes through the hole in the base.

Looking with a magnifying glass, I can`t see any type of insulator or seal - this is what made me think the liquid could be simply seeping directly down the outside of the airtube, then into the base.

The gap between the tube and base doesn`t have to be visually obvious, capilliary action (?) could draw it down slowly over time.

So.....I have placed a small o-ring over the threading of the airtube and then replaced the "oil film" diffuser.

This might counterract that happening - IF it is happening of course.
(quite frankly I can`t see why it wouldn`t be doing that to a greater or lesser degree, I`ve seen it happen elsewhere so wouldn`t be surprising in the least)

Built a 2.5mm coil on it with a "normal" amount of rayon and have started testing it now.

A case of watch this space I suppose - it can`t hurt to try these things after all.
 

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    Back again with something else to consider....

    As I was never able to get the Siren base apart and study the insides carefully - it occurred to me there might be another point of ingress for the liquid.

    It always seemed obvious that any excess liquid was seeping into the holes on the "oil film" and slowly making it`s way down the airtube and out onto our annoyed sticky fingers....

    but what if it`s actually seeping slowly under the bottom of the "oil film" diffuser and not directly into the holes at all ?

    Not being able to see the insides, I don`t know how good the seal is between the top of the airtube (just below the threading)
    and where it passes through the hole in the base.

    Looking with a magnifying glass, I can`t see any type of insulator or seal - this is what made me think the liquid could be simply seeping directly down the outside of the airtube, then into the base.

    The gap between the tube and base doesn`t have to be visually obvious, capilliary action (?) could draw it down slowly over time.

    So.....I have placed a small o-ring over the threading of the airtube and then replaced the "oil film" diffuser.

    This might counterract that happening - IF it is happening of course.
    (quite frankly I can`t see why it wouldn`t be doing that to a greater or lesser degree, I`ve seen it happen elsewhere so wouldn`t be surprising in the least)

    Built a 2.5mm coil on it with a "normal" amount of rayon and have started testing it now.

    A case of watch this space I suppose - it can`t hurt to try these things after all.
    Interesting thought!
     

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    Rayon is the most efficient wicking material I have used, but what if, in this application, rayon is actually too efficient ?

    There really is a whole lot of rayon feeding into that single coil.

    I wonder how some 'old school' 4 or 5mm braided silica with cotton core would work in this thing ?
    Could it help tame the wicking speed and possibly curb the inclination to oversaturate and seep ?

    I'm guessing you'll be our test subject for the silica experiment? I MIGHT try it, but might not. ;)

    Rayon is incredibly efficient at transporting liquid. I tend to pack that coil with it and leave it fairly full in the channels, but I DO trim from the channels down, and keep those tails majorly thin. I also cut the wick above the bottom of the tank. I don't see a reason to have more wicking in the tank than is abstolutely necessary, and since I don't vape it dry, "a cut above" works for me!

    Now, and as you guys know, having said all that, it's still RANDOM.

    It is rather marvelous that you are doing all this research on a tank that's been KWITE ill-supported by the manufacturer. It is rather sucky that Digi has not done so. (kind of makes me feel a bit ticked off, actually)
     

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    I don`t have any of the thick braid I used to have but did find some small "freebie" packs of 2mm (?) silica and also the pure cotton 'candle-wick' that I once tested.
    (in the toolbox but they are still wrapped...the real dirty tool box not a vaping toolbox, I haven`t used silica since the dark ages)

    So if I`ve an inclination in the week I might do a couple of quick tests out of curiosity....not that I`ll use it permanently.

    Unless the new test subjects start arriving in the week, then I may be otherwise occupied ;)

    6 Sirens means I have a vested interest in any tips or tricks to make them better.
    If there`s anything simple that can be done - it`s worth investigating.

    My days of drilling out Kayfun bases and crazy time wasting intensive DIY are long gone.

    I want and expect stuff working OOTB.

    In any case, these darn things shouldn`t be leaking at all with the deck halfway up in the middle, I`d like to get to the bottom of the reason why they do sometimes play badly.

    If it turns out to be 100% user error (wicking) in all cases then I can live with that - or not and it`s trash time after I lose patience :)

    They work so well when they play nicely though - it`s quite infuriating not being able to pin it down quickly.

    I`d like to think it`s all about the wick but there`s only so much you can stuff in there and even that doesn`t seem to be a 100% sure cure.

    I wonder if there is anyone out there who has never had any seepage problem with a Siren ?!

    I`m willing to keep at it for a while but my patience isn`t infinite and will draw the line at some point when it gets too tedious having to fix wicks and rebuild uneccessarily - I might as well just be using the Toptanks which don`t have any such problems in that case.
     
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    I want and expect stuff working OOTB.

    Uh huh. Don't we all. What IS the deal with gear that we have spend MONTHS trying to figure out to make it work?


    I`d like to think it`s all about the wick but there`s only so much you can stuff in there and even that doesn`t seem to be a 100% sure cure.

    Digi Random, kind sir.

    I've amassed a few of them, but they just MIGHT appear on the Classifieds one of these days. I so enjoy my shorter, less randomly leaky tanks, and those that actually produce more flavor.

    But, there's something about the Digi .... I don't get it. :blink:

     
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