Thank you so much!! Their email is service@digiflavor.com.
I'll keep the life preserver close at hand!!
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Thank you so much!! Their email is service@digiflavor.com.
I'll keep the life preserver close at hand!!
Everything you posted is "Right On" Droz. If a site doesn't have Pay-Pal I usually just "Keep on Walk'in", but, in this instance it happened right after we were all searching High and Low for anywhere that still had the Siren's in stock, as the word had just come down "From on High" that Digiflavor was ceasing production of the Siren and we here were scrambling to get any that we could find, and "I" broke my own rule about not buying from anywhere that didn't offer Pay-Pal. Well, That will Learn Me.
Before time gets away from me further, Welcome to ECF and in particular, to this thread Xvagabondx (now that's a unique handle for sure). You use 30g Kanthal and about 2 ish Ohm's resistance, which is a good starting point. Do you use a contact coil or a spaced coil ? I have found that a spaced coil will give off a little more flavor than a contact coil does in almost every instance that I have tried over the last 2+ years of building coils, it was explained to me that a spaced coil has more surface area for the juice to come in contact with the wire, hence, more flavor. With a cotton wick (either cotton balls, washed/dried raw cotton, or the cotton pads such as Koh Gen Do) I have always noticed a bit of cotton taste on the first 0.1 or 0.2 of juice (worse/longer if you get the cotton too thick in the coil) on a new wick, but will go away quickly thereafter. Lowering you're coil closer to the air tube will also help with the flavor a little (as JW also mentioned). I, myself, have run my resistance up to 2Ω and lowered my power to 8 watts or so with 30g Kanthal and have been rewarded with a flavorful vape, and longer battery life as a side benefit, so nothing wrong there as far as I can see (my coils are from 6-8 wraps and 3mm ID, Spaced). Oh, one more thing, with spaced coils you will notice you're coil/wick will be cleaner for longer (less crud accumulating) than a contact coil, at least I have.
Congratulations on Kicking the Tobacco habit and getting into vaping. With my First Vape I was done with Tobacco myself.
Again, Welcome to the Forum
This is very true, I had topped off 3 of the 4 already last night after just a couple of hours - after they had emptied to below the deck, noticeably.
It`s now morning 1 - all bases/AFC rings are still completely dry.
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Incidentally, I have had about 3 minor 'gurgle' incidents - this was, however, due to condensate build up below the drip tip.
The old eXpromizer RTA was an utter nightmare for doing this, juice would build up below the drip tip and NOT run back down into the tank, therefore causing a gurgle on every draw as there was liquid bubble sat inside and up at the top of the airtube - insanely annoying.
So the Siren suffers from this phenomena too, albeit to a lesser degree - nevertheless, it`s still a design oversight/flaw however you look at it
I had a couple of eXpromizers but they simply had to go - I couldn`t deal with that all the time and no amount of DIY (nor the release of the v1.1 or 1.2) fixed it properly.
The point being: if you experience minor gurgling don`t automatically assume it`s due to flooding or even at the main airtube/base.
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Thanks for all the in depth analysis of the Siren, and posting the pic's, EXTREMELY helpful Fad.
No, unfortunately the o-ring under the diffuser didn`t have any noticeable effect.
This new o-ring test is below the positive post & insulator...
As referred to here:
Digiflavor Siren GTA
There is a large gap between the top of the airpost and the deck.
The screw post and the hard plastic insulator that sits beneath it (missing in the image above)
is where I believe (in some cases), liquid is slowly and insidiously seeping into the base and causing a soggy bottom/AFC ring.
This new o-ring test is below the positive post & insulator...
As referred to here:
Digiflavor Siren GTA
There is a large gap between the top of the airpost and the deck.
The screw post and the hard plastic insulator that sits beneath it (missing in the image above)
is where I believe (in some cases), liquid is slowly and insidiously seeping into the base and causing a soggy bottom/AFC ring.
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It`s not as dramatic as the images I put up previously !
It`s quite easy, just like any other similar tank assembly
1. Unscrew the 510 pin
2. Remove the 510 insulator
3. Unscrew the diffuser
4. Using a small flat-head screwdriver - unscrew the airtube from inside the 510 (it is slotted)
5. The positive post and insulator will come free - allowing access to that tube as seen above.
It`s how they assemble them, so a simple reverse - nothing forced, nothing de-press-fitted
Of course, this is still just theorising on my part - hence why I am giving this final test a few days to yield any results - one way or the other.
To recap: I think liquid could be getting under the positive hard plastic insulator (over time) and down eventually into the base, finally making it`s way out of the AFC ring and onto some people`s fingers.
NB:
Unless the diffuser is acting like a capillary sponge due to the design and actively drawing liquid in - this is another possibility of course.
That would tend to make you think it would happen all of the time, it doesn`t - so it`s all a bit of a mystery.
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Having thought about it some more, I suppose another simple test would be to run the tanks without the diffuser - but with the new o-ring still in place.
That would rule out the diffuser itself being instrumental in any seepage.
It would take days (weeks !) trying to test this properly with different wicks and juice viscosities and vaping styles ad nauseam - I`m not prepared to do that !
...but if a simple fix can be found to help things along, then it`s worth a couple of days of fiddling.
It`s quite easy, just like any other similar tank assembly
1. Unscrew the 510 pin
2. Remove the 510 insulator
3. Unscrew the diffuser
4. Using a small flat-head screwdriver - unscrew the airtube from inside the 510 (it is slotted)
5. The positive post and insulator will come free - allowing access to that tube as seen above.
It`s how they assemble them, so a simple reverse - nothing forced, nothing de-press-fitted
Of course, this is still just theorising on my part - hence why I am giving this final test a few days to yield any results - one way or the other.
To recap: I think liquid could be getting under the positive hard plastic insulator (over time) and down eventually into the base, finally making it`s way out of the AFC ring and onto some people`s fingers.
NB:
Unless the diffuser is acting like a capillary sponge due to the design and actively drawing liquid in - this is another possibility of course.
That would tend to make you think it would happen all of the time, it doesn`t - so it`s all a bit of a mystery.
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Having thought about it some more, I suppose another simple test would be to run the tanks without the diffuser - but with the new o-ring still in place.
That would rule out the diffuser itself being instrumental in any seepage.
It would take days (weeks !) trying to test this properly with different wicks and juice viscosities and vaping styles ad nauseam - I`m not prepared to do that !
...but if a simple fix can be found to help things along, then it`s worth a couple of days of fiddling.
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OK Fad, I'll stay tuned for you're last episode of "The trials and Tribulations of the Digiflavor Siren". I really hope that you're fix helps, I really do, as I too will use it. You're going above and beyond the call of duty for all of us here. Thank You very much.
Even if the wicking isn`t quite 100% perfect, it shouldn`t necessarily mean liquid should flood into the airtube and out of the base to any degree.
I don`t think so because it would mean the base would be 3-4mm deep in liquid ! It never is, even with poor wicking.
So I believe there`s more to it.
People who have never noticed, haven`t had sticky ring or simply do not care must be highly bemused by all these posts
I just don`t want to wonder IF it might happen at any random time, and quite frankly won`t put up with it.
Other atomisers have seen a premature death for much less, they`re a good vape so want them working as near to perfect as possible.
I don`t think so because it would mean the base would be 3-4mm deep in liquid ! It never is, even with poor wicking.
So I believe there`s more to it.
People who have never noticed, haven`t had sticky ring or simply do not care must be highly bemused by all these posts
I just don`t want to wonder IF it might happen at any random time, and quite frankly won`t put up with it.
Other atomisers have seen a premature death for much less, they`re a good vape so want them working as near to perfect as possible.
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Even if the wicking isn`t quite 100% perfect, it shouldn`t necessarily mean liquid should flood into the airtube and out of the base to any degree.
I don`t think so because it would mean the base would be 3-4mm deep in liquid ! It never is, even with poor wicking.
So I believe there`s more to it.
People who have never noticed, haven`t had sticky ring or simply do not care must be highly bemused by all these posts
I just don`t want to wonder IF it might happen at any random time, and quite frankly won`t put up with it.
Other atomisers have seen a premature death for much less, they`re a good vape so want them working as near to perfect as possible.
What size o-ring are you trying out for the positive post, like you're doing here ?
I didn`t measure the ones I actually used, but as I have a literal graveyard of o-rings from all the atomisers that have been and gone there were some more in the box.
I just tried to measure one which I think is the same type (chosen visually) - approx 5mm OD by 1mm ring thickness.
Edit: They might have been 6mm x 1mm
They needed a bit of persuasion to get over the tube - certainly not so big they just slip over.
Replacing the insulator and post pushed them down into place (it` a bit tricky getting them over the threading in that small area)
the insulator and post screwed back down without being displaced by the thickness of the o-ring.
So, the ring is basically just filling the gap between the airpost and the base....the red arrow on the image further up this page shows the gap.
I just tried to measure one which I think is the same type (chosen visually) - approx 5mm OD by 1mm ring thickness.
Edit: They might have been 6mm x 1mm
They needed a bit of persuasion to get over the tube - certainly not so big they just slip over.
Replacing the insulator and post pushed them down into place (it` a bit tricky getting them over the threading in that small area)
the insulator and post screwed back down without being displaced by the thickness of the o-ring.
So, the ring is basically just filling the gap between the airpost and the base....the red arrow on the image further up this page shows the gap.
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{Verbatim - sent moments ago. I'll keep ya's informed.}
Dearest Digiflavor,
Rumors are swirling throughout Vapeland of a Siren version 2. As one of many lovers of the original, is there any way you're willing to confirm or squash this runaway train?
The 22's are no longer available, and people would prefer to wait if you're introducing a new one, rather than pay an inflated price for a used one.
Any information you share with me will be kept in the strictest confidence.
OK - that's a blatant lie. I'd actually tell EVERYONE, but that's a small detail anyway.
Sincerely yours,
David P. Longo
Stamford, CT
DPLongo22 on ECF (if you care)
I mailed them also this morning....it`s like trying to communicate with the long deceased sometimes with these companies,
so I won`t be holding my breath.
Even if they do reply it will likely be an obtuse and patronising reply.
so I won`t be holding my breath.
Even if they do reply it will likely be an obtuse and patronising reply.
Reminds me of a song way back when I was young....."We are Vapers, Hear us Roar in Numbers too Big to Ignore....." set to the tune of Helen Reddy's "We are Women".
Proud owner of two 22mm Siren GTAs. I would love to get my hands on at least one more. It's the best RTA I've found so far. I've been following this thread for awhile and I just signed up to let you all know I've spoken to a representative from both Digiflavor and GeekVape. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear they are currently producing a Siren v2. Here is my correspondence with Digiflavor.
My original message:
My response:
My original message:
I'm looking for your 22mm Siren GTA MTL RTA, but can't seem to find it in stock anywhere. Did Digiflavor stop production on the 22mm Siren GTA MTL RTA? Will Digiflavor ever begin production on the 22mm Siren GTA MTL RTA again? Is Digiflavor planning to replace the 22mm Siren GTA MTL RTA with a different 22mm MTL style RTA? It's important that I find a 22mm MTL RTA with similar specs and wicking. The 22mm Siren GTA MTL RTA is the best RTA I've found and it's unfortunate that I can't find any of the 22mm Siren GTA MTL RTAs in stock. Thank you.
Their response the next day:
sorry, actually we have discontinued this prodcuts as no big request. thanks.
I had seen the reddit thread awhile back and the speculation both there and here that they might be producing a v2 or something similar. But I had a hunch that they were misread. If the original Siren sold so well (which would contradict their claim of "no big request") that they'd make a v2, why stop production on the v1 Siren while they're working on the v2? And if the v1 didn't sell as well as they'd hoped, why would they make a v2? It just didn't make sense, so my hunch is that what Digiflavor actually tried to say was "Keep an eye on our upcoming products" but what it was interpreted as is "Keep an eye out for a new version of the Siren." Since Digiflavor didn't respond to my other question about making a similar RTA I sent another message asking again so I could get a clarification and either verify or disprove my speculation. Hopefully disprove, but... well, see below.
My response:
Well, I barely saw it marketed by Digiflavor so it is not surprising to me that there were no big order requests. Are there any plans to replace the Siren GTA MTL 22mm with something very similar? Thank you.
And their response, this time it took them a whole week to finally respond:
hi, sorry for now we have no plan to produce similar one. will keep u posted. thanks.
Ugh. I hope they were an uninformed CS agent, so I'm looking forward to seeing the types of response you all get, but I suspect they indeed have no plans. Perhaps if others email Digiflavor and Geekvape they will change their mind and make a new and improved Siren--or at the very least produce a few more units of the original--and actually market it this time. But as of now, it doesn't seem like they have any interest in it or plans to do so. I can only hope they change their mind, but I won't be holding my breath.
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