Disclaimer For New Vapers!

[HecticEnergy]

I've been sub-ohming for about 6 months, and I still watch every video and read every thread I can. If you've never built a coil, I would start with higher ohm builds till you feel comfortable with your abilities. The most important thing is you need do the research and learn what your doing. Like people say this is a hobby as well, so of course there is going to be a little work and a lot of learning involved. If you were going to start rock climbing as a hobby, wouldn't you start small, learning everything could, and slowly work up to the more advanced climbs? And there are plenty of experienced people willing to help others. Go to the vape store and ask questions, have them look over your first few builds if you don't know any other experienced vapers. Read this forum and ask questions. I have been reading on here for a long time, but just now starting to post in case I need to ask a question on here. buy a ohm tester and get a ohm calculator. Be safe!

The only thing I'd add is don't trust just one source of information... Dudes at vape shops sometimes don't know all they claim. Sure, listen and take it into consideration, but never blindly trust one source of information!


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[AndriaD]

Saying dont buy off ebay is like saying dont buy from Fasttech...

I have seen the exact same junk sold at brick and mortar stores. Some being passed off as original... and even worse...

My friend called. His wife decided she was going to move up from her ego spinner and kanger tank. They let her walk out of the store with an Atlantis and an MVP.

Ill give you a minute to mull that one over...

Now she already gave her ego spinner to her friend... low and behold the MVP wont vape the Atlantis, and her evod clearo wont work on the MVP either... ( No contact with the center post...

She could have come here and learned a little and ordered the ATlantis and CF sub on ebay for less money.

Ebay isnt the problem. Lack of knowlege is most of it. I have had brick and mortar stores tell me bold faced lies. If you walk in with a manhattan/tugboat they may know better... walk in with an ego and get ready for a real ride...

I bought my nautilus on ebay, and the itaste vtr ( with the ring dremeled off ) also from ebay. Less than 60$ for both. Plenty of good deals there if you know what your looking for.

Buying devices from eBay can be a good thing, IF you know what you want and what you're buying, though it can turn out badly even then -- I have 2 tobeco KFL+'s from a vendor on eBay which are nothing but joy; I have another no-name KF clone from a vendor on eBay, and that thing is garbage.

But the thing about batteries is absolutely true -- you want only top-quality batteries, but most of the batteries on eBay are fakes, just re-wraps of god knows what, probably those "*fire" batteries. I learned this only AFTER I bought what I thought were AW batteries, which turned out to be fakes. God only knows what they really are. Someday I might get adventurous and unwrap them to find out; lord knows I sure won't use them for vaping.

Andria

 

[Mashbot]

I've never understood people who don't research their purchases, regardless of what it is.

 

[Wolfenstark]

Sadly its an affliction too many people have , wanting something as quickly and as easy as they can.

Many times that turns into a slow and hard result.

 

[InTheShade]

I've never understood people who don't research their purchases, regardless of what it is.

And that's the real issue. We can try to educate vapers when they visit this forum, we can make videos (which is an excellent idea Hectic) and we can spread the word when we are out in the real world - but it's only effective when people actively seek out the information.

Until every person on Ebay, every vendor and every vaper knows and understands about battery safety and actively shares that message with every customer, advice seeker and fellow vaper, we're going to see incidents like those mentioned by the OP.

Saying that, I am convinced there are more incidents from people using ego batteries with the wrong charger than mechanical mod users building too low or having hard shorts.

Not saying we should try to affect both groups of vapers but sometimes the horse only finds the water after almost dying of thirst.

 

[HMav]

I think the larger problem at hand, is that these days consumer product are expected to be safe, and when mis-used, to fail in a safe way. Nobody bothers to educate themselves because they believe that someone else will protect them from their own stupidity. For the most part they are right, and many don't even bother to think about it.

I remember as a kid, we didn't have GFCI or arc fault protected circuits in our house. There was a safety label on the cord of the hair dryer that said not to use it in the tub or death might result. Back then, failure to know and follow the warnings was risking life and limb and people knew that. Today, go ahead and drop your hairdryer in the tub with you, you will be protected by the GFCI outlet that is required by law to be installed in your bathroom.

We even have cars that will stop themselves if you fail to brake soon enough, and can even watch behind you to make sure you don't run over anything you can't see.

In the vape world we can expect the same from reputable, high quality vendors. Our ego style and regulated mods refuse to fire builds that would damage the built in batteries or circuitry.

Advanced devices (mechs) draw the most prestige and therefore drive sales, but there is no protection to the user in any way. New users do not have the slightest idea that they even should be concerned, so they don't even know that they should be educated. This is just simply life experience, "if its not safe they can't sell it without warnings all over the package".

Unfortunately the classic ideas of personal responsibility and buyer-beware are no longer on the average public's radar, and when a device that isn't much more than a battery, switch, and wire fails do to the user's lack of sense of the above, it's just a sensationalist headline to help ban or overly regulate our hobby, instead of the wake up call to be educated about it that it should be.

 

[CloudyWithChanceOfVape]

Glad you are being safe...
Imo there is A LOT to learn unless you have a background in electrical engineering and it's better to take smaller steps, especially if you don't have friends doing the kind of builds you want to do (in a safe way). ECF and youtube taught me just about everything I know about vaping, so I took it slower: 3 months ego, 6 mos rebuilding at higher resistances (15w regulated mod), then I got a 30w mod and shortly after a mech. I could have moved faster, but I've got a pretty limited vape budget. If there were classes or something like that available, I'm sure you could be sub ohming safely in a week, but I haven't seen anything that comprehensive (ie: "start cloud chasing with no vape knowledge")...
Maybe I should do a YouTube series
^ anyone think this is a good idea?
If so maybe I'll put something together this afternoon and post a link here for feedback before making it public... Unless there is something else available. I'll have to check the links posted above first I guess

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I would be willing to help you out on that if you decide to do a series! I think that would be a fantastic Idea actually.... Do you have any form of video editing, so possibly I could do a segment, send it to you, and you could cut it into one of your videos?

 

[CloudyWithChanceOfVape]

Thanks for the upvote. I'll research what's out there through the eyes of a new vaper and plan out my attack today and hopefully have something for people to give feedback on tomorrow (hopefully shoot video tonight, edit tomorrow). I'm going to start a new thread now, so as not to further hijack this one (sorry about that...)


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By all means...... Use my thread... This is why I started it, I wanted to hear all of this and what others thought! THANK YOU!!!!

 

[CloudyWithChanceOfVape]

Saying dont buy off ebay is like saying dont buy from Fasttech...

I have seen the exact same junk sold at brick and mortar stores. Some being passed off as original... and even worse...

My friend called. His wife decided she was going to move up from her ego spinner and kanger tank. They let her walk out of the store with an Atlantis and an MVP.

Ill give you a minute to mull that one over...

Now she already gave her ego spinner to her friend... low and behold the MVP wont vape the Atlantis, and her evod clearo wont work on the MVP either... ( No contact with the center post...

She could have come here and learned a little and ordered the ATlantis and CF sub on ebay for less money.

Ebay isnt the problem. Lack of knowlege is most of it. I have had brick and mortar stores tell me bold faced lies. If you walk in with a manhattan/tugboat they may know better... walk in with an ego and get ready for a real ride...

I bought my nautilus on ebay, and the itaste vtr ( with the ring dremeled off ) also from ebay. Less than 60$ for both. Plenty of good deals there if you know what your looking for.

I never said buying off Ebay is the problem..... But what I did say was buying off Ebay NOT knowing what your buying is the problem..... No research before buying is the problem....
I support Ebay, Fasttech, B&M, ETC, because I research everything before I make a purchase.... In this story, the girl bought something off ebay because it was pretty because she saw one in the store for more money and she had no clue how to use it or what she was doing.....

 

[Javamon]

I'm thinking it would actually be fun - and increase safety - if there were Vaping courses at the local community colleges.

I know there is a ton of info online, but, it can be a challenge navigating it all, as well as separating the truth from the stupidity.

I think there's an untapped market out there for: a "Vaping for Dummies" book. Seriously, if you know anything about the Dummies books, you know that most of them are very good and very accessible.

 

[HecticEnergy]

By all means...... Use my thread... This is why I started it, I wanted to hear all of this and what others thought! THANK YOU!!!!

Will do... Wasn't sure if I should post the new thread under cloud chasing or subohming or mechs...


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[CloudyWithChanceOfVape]

This actually should be under New Members.... you can keep it here bro.

 

[willho01]

I must say I have had some concern over this topic myself. The level of modability (is that even a word) that some of the better e cigs provide does leave them open to this.

I hope I'm wrong here but is it only a matter of time before some idiot blows themself up and we get articles about ecigs being death traps?

 

[HecticEnergy]

I would be willing to help you out on that if you decide to do a series! I think that would be a fantastic Idea actually.... Do you have any form of video editing, so possibly I could do a segment, send it to you, and you could cut it into one of your videos?

Sure, I've got final cut and iMovie so shouldn't be a problem if we decide to splice them together. We probably should divi up the topics before any video making as to not be too repetitious.
I'll put a google doc together and pm you the link. Got busy today, but hopefully get something together today. Still researching a bit. I'll put my notes together in Google now.


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[CloudyWithChanceOfVape]

I must say I have had some concern over this topic myself. The level of modability (is that even a word) that some of the better e cigs provide does leave them open to this.

I hope I'm wrong here but is it only a matter of time before some idiot blows themself up and we get articles about ecigs being death traps?

Yes..... and it WILL be an inexperienced person who has a Ego-T and sees some videos online of what some guy is blowing clouds with, they will get money and order off ebay not knowing what they are buying, buy a cheap knock-off battery (Or one included with a mech-mod like the k-100 starter kit that they send a battery with), and they will follow a Dual coil .4 ohm build, and they wont check it, they will just follow a video, then they will juice it up, put it on their FULL MECH MOD and as that Saliva Song goes........click, click, BOOM.

 

[Danbrooks2k]

I believe we agree here... Heck I have friends that have purchased some great mods, tanks and RDA/RBAs off ebay and fasttech.

The lack of knowledege is the reason why I ended up getting a few items for free or next to nothing.

Fortunatley they didnt injure themselves... just got a lot of burnt flavor, bad smells and broken posts.

That is where I got my lemo drop... before I owned it it never saw a coil that even worked unless there was a short in it.

I prefer fast tech because I can read reviews. I have only had one bad purchase from ebay, but I got a full refund and never sent anything back... Guess what... it was a bag full of mech mods...and genny style atties... part of the problem was my own ignorance. I couldnt even figure out how to fill a carto back then.

 

[jdicax]

willho01 said: "I must say I have had some concern over this topic myself. The level of modability (is that even a word) that some of the better e cigs provide does leave them open to this.

I hope I'm wrong here but is it only a matter of time before some idiot blows themself up and we get articles about ecigs being death traps?"
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I read elsewhere on a Vape News app I have that, the first confirmed battery explosion happened at a cloud contest not to long ago. I believe it said the battery blew a hole in the ceiling 20ft. above, and that luckily no one there was injured. Also I think they said they think it was caused from over-stressing a cheap non-IMR battery. I don't have the article in front of me, but it can probably be found on google.

 

[HecticEnergy]

willho01 said: "I must say I have had some concern over this topic myself. The level of modability (is that even a word) that some of the better e cigs provide does leave them open to this.

I hope I'm wrong here but is it only a matter of time before some idiot blows themself up and we get articles about ecigs being death traps?"
(forgot to reply with quote)

I read elsewhere on a Vape News app I have that, the first confirmed battery explosion happened at a cloud contest not to long ago. I believe it said the battery blew a hole in the ceiling 20ft. above, and that luckily no one there was injured. Also I think they said they think it was caused from over-stressing a cheap non-IMR battery. I don't have the article in front of me, but it can probably be found on google.

It was talked about here on ECF as well - It was at Vape Blast 2 in San Antonio Texas. I was at the event, but not when that occurred.
As I recall:
It was during a cloud competition (or just before it started) and a guy had a stingray with a modified button. He pulled it out of his pocket, it was too hot to handle as it was firing in his pocket, he dropped it, the battery exploded when impacting the tile floor and it shot into the ceiling. There wasn't much left of the Mod, but there was a hole in the floor tile. No one was injured as I recall - lucky group there.

 

[philoshop]

Filming an actual catastrophic battery failure would get peoples' attention. There wouldn't even have to be a mod involved, just a battery wired up to short by remote control and a telephoto lens on the camera to keep everyone at a safe distance. Sort of a Myth Busters type of arrangement.

Start the video with that: "This is what can happen when you screw up!"
Then: "This is what you need to know and do to help prevent it!"

Just a thought.

 

[HMav]

philoshop, there are a lot, from the R/C crowd especially. Yes the chemistry of LiPo is slightly different, but the same cautions apply.

Search youtube for LiPo battery failure.