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[CloudyWithChanceOfVape]

Well? Don't just hide behind your thick vapor-cloud of elitism...drop some juicy knowledge on us noobs! Anyone can say "Don't try [blank] unless you know what you're doing" but unless you actually say what it is that we should be doing, you haven't really imparted any new learning on your audience. "Don't use a bandsaw without the proper safety training" doesn't really give you any more info about woodworking than you had before, now does it, and the one guy who heard what you said but damned if he isn't going to get that doghouse built by the week's end is none the wiser for having listened to your tirade. Don't just tell people that they're doing something wrong, EDUCATE them! Tell them what they're doing wrong, and why it's wrong. What was happening? What is it that she did (or didn't do) that she shouldn't (or should) have done? Your post smacks of fear-mongering and just sounds like you're bragging about how you're "so pro" at vaping and so much better at it than the rest of us...

Now, don't get me wrong. I mean, battery safety is important, I get that, and I'm not trying to say it isn't. But my point is, that climbing up on the rooftop and shouting "Battery safety! Battery safety, fools!" until you're blue in the face isn't going to make anyone wiser on the subject, it's just going to give you a sore throat, and likely piss off the neighbors.

Like I said in my post Dude, WE DID explain to her what was wrong..... IM NOT gonna sit here and tell everything I know, because no one asked. I DID educate the girl what was wrong and why it happened, and what to do to prevent it..... Most everyone on here has a post, and subforums to learn your stuff. Im NOT a pro, nor do I claim to be. If you want to learn, ask, I did. If you want to know how to be safe, do like the rest of us, and ask questions and read baditudes posts, and everyone elses.

 

[Niten13]

I posted in another thread about this,

"I have found that many employees at the B&M store near me know very little about vaping safely.. Just last week I was in one of the BETTER shops near me, the staff is pretty knowledgeable and eager to help out. Great customer service and they are well priced.

However... I was looking through their juices and happened to notice the guy next to me purchasing his first Mech and RDA combo (didn't wanna be nosy so I did not ask what he was getting). Now I did notice that the employee was doing the first build for the customer as a Dual 24ga 7 or so wraps which I am guessing was about .2-.3 ohm range. I was appalled that they would set this guy up with a build like that and then tell him "when you wrap your own just try to mirror the same coils I have here".

Maybe it is just me but that is not how I would want my first set up to be, no regards to Ohms law and battery Amperage, just a sub ohm and here ya go..."

Sad when some shops set people up for this very same thing you are mentioning..

 

[CloudyWithChanceOfVape]

I posted in another thread about this,

"I have found that many employees at the B&M store near me know very little about vaping safely.. Just last week I was in one of the BETTER shops near me, the staff is pretty knowledgeable and eager to help out. Great customer service and they are well priced.

However... I was looking through their juices and happened to notice the guy next to me purchasing his first Mech and RDA combo (didn't wanna be nosy so I did not ask what he was getting). Now I did notice that the employee was doing the first build for the customer as a Dual 24ga 7 or so wraps which I am guessing was about .2-.3 ohm range. I was appalled that they would set this guy up with a build like that and then tell him "when you wrap your own just try to mirror the same coils I have here".

Maybe it is just me but that is not how I would want my first set up to be, no regards to Ohms law and battery Amperage, just a sub ohm and here ya go..."

Sad when some shops set people up for this very same thing you are mentioning..

That's insane. And THAT is the problem... B&M shops setting people up with coils/builds/drippers/mech mods and NOT explaining what they are buying, or educating them on all the steps they need to take to be safe.

 

[Niten13]

So very true, It happened to me on my first mech at a different shop, luckily I had already done my HW before buying. They built me a .6 ohm dual coil and as soon as i got home I ripped it out and built myself a nice 1 ohm DC. Of course since then I have built lower than .6 but hell I feel there is really no need to..

 

[Sunburst]

I think this is a side effect of having a niche that has a very fine line between appliance (ego and clearo) and enthusiast/modder (mods and builds). I think that Aspire came close to hitting it out of the park with the Atlantis, they provided a device that could provide a higher-end vape in a fairly plug and play form factor. The problem is that it's not really advertised on the box that you have to be able to sub-ohm to use it. I've seen a few times of people being sold an Atlantis and a small mod that won't fire it. That's many levels of bad.

The consumer has to depend on too many things in our chain. You have to rely on the companies to make good, safe products and label them accordingly. You have to rely on your vape shop to be knowledgeable. Sadly, many fall short and people walking in with zero knowledge can't recognize that. They don't know anything and all they want to do is stop smoking cigarettes. Vaping is one of the few commodities I can think of to require a pretty deep knowledge of to get beyond the first step. (Ego and a clearo) I suppose you could throw R/C stuff in there, as well, but I don't know that I would put that in the commodity category.

I don't really have a constructive suggestion about how to remedy this. I don't like regulation very much. The market should be able to sort this out. But, with that fine line between nicotine dispenser and hobby, I am not sure it will. There are too many people looking to spend their money to take their vape to the next level and as such, it distorts market self-regulation. I do think manufacturers should improve their labeling and documentation. The first manufacturer that puts a big section on their website about safety, will earn my business just out of principle. I'm looking at you Aspire, Kanger, Innokin, and the other big boys.

An informed population of vapers, from top to bottom, would only be a positive for our cause. And of course, I should disclaim that I'm not a reliable source of expertise on any of the opinions held above. I'm just a guy who wants a better vape.

 

[bwh79]

Like I said in my post Dude, WE DID explain to her what was wrong..... IM NOT gonna sit here and tell everything I know, because no one asked. I DID educate the girl what was wrong and why it happened, and what to do to prevent it.....

See, here I was hoping you would tell me what had happened. Something a little more specific than "she was poorly versed in battery safety and therefore made a critical error." Maybe I was a bit hash saying things like "fear-mongering" and "elitism," but your post just felt, to me, like a joke without a punchline.

- Knock knock.
- Who's there?
- Stupid girl blew up her battery.
- Stupid girl blew up her battery who?
- I know, right? LOL!

 

[HecticEnergy]

I think this is a side effect of having a niche that has a very fine line between appliance (ego and clearo) and enthusiast/modder (mods and builds). I think that Aspire came close to hitting it out of the park with the Atlantis, they provided a device that could provide a higher-end vape in a fairly plug and play form factor. The problem is that it's not really advertised on the box that you have to be able to sub-ohm to use it. I've seen a few times of people being sold an Atlantis and a small mod that won't fire it. That's many levels of bad.

The consumer has to depend on too many things in our chain. You have to rely on the companies to make good, safe products and label them accordingly. You have to rely on your vape shop to be knowledgeable. Sadly, many fall short and people walking in with zero knowledge can't recognize that. They don't know anything and all they want to do is stop smoking cigarettes. Vaping is one of the few commodities I can think of to require a pretty deep knowledge of to get beyond the first step. (Ego and a clearo) I suppose you could throw R/C stuff in there, as well, but I don't know that I would put that in the commodity category.

I don't really have a constructive suggestion about how to remedy this. I don't like regulation very much. The market should be able to sort this out. But, with that fine line between nicotine dispenser and hobby, I am not sure it will. There are too many people looking to spend their money to take their vape to the next level and as such, it distorts market self-regulation. I do think manufacturers should improve their labeling and documentation. The first manufacturer that puts a big section on their website about safety, will earn my business just out of principle. I'm looking at you Aspire, Kanger, Innokin, and the other big boys.

An informed population of vapers, from top to bottom, would only be a positive for our cause. And of course, I should disclaim that I'm not a reliable source of expertise on any of the opinions held above. I'm just a guy who wants a better vape.

I can't find anything to disagree with here!! It is defenatly on the consumer to be knowledgable so they don't end up with a dangerous/not working setup. Many rely on B&Ms to be the experts, and some just aren't.

I was at a shop several months ago and was looking at some new gear I wasn't familiar with. It was early, they just opened and the guy didn't know crap about the gear. I'm not saying anything bad about him, quite the opposite. There is something to be said for someone who "doesn't know what they don't know." That is to say, they don't try to make it up as they go stating fact that simply aren't true. The guy did know clearomizers and such, which I feel is much more useful than someone who knows all the advanced stuff but doesn't know protank 2 heads from pro tank 3 heads or aerotank heads...

Last night I visited a vape shop trying to pick up some 26 ga kanthal. They were out, but I like the guys so I sampled some juice and picked up a bottle (that NJoy premium juice line stuff - pretty good!). I had finished my purchase and another customer rolled up just as they were closing:
The soft spoken customer comes up to the counter at the invitation of one of the clerks. He stated that the "wicks" he bought didn't fit his setup and handed the pack of heads to the clerk. He had what appeared to be an EVOD v1 on a <500mAh ego. The clerk gave him some crap in jest, but the customer was unamused... The clerk had no problem doing the exchange but was hassling the customer anyway. He inspected the open pack, pulled out the one that the customer had opened and tried to put in his tank and said "what do you want me to do with this? I can't sell this." again, kidding of course. He then handed over the black box of heads and sent the customer on his way. No talk of what resistance the heads were or any of that. I tried to mention to the clerk I was chin wagging with, "What resistance?" but he didn't intervene. I know from personal experience 2.2ohms is way different than 1.6ohms on an evod head.. I hate the 2+ ohm heads as they seem to take forever to heat up (at least that was the case when I was using them over a year ago.. maybe didn't sell them in a variety of resistances). The guy who originally showed him the setup should have shown him how to change heads, and given him a little 5min tutorial on how the thing works and what heads to buy. He didn't. At this point the clerk could have stepped in and done the same, but that didn't happen either.. I could understand the frustration of the customer, and in his position I would be extremely discouraged from going to that shop again. These products are still very new, and often have problems - handing a setup to a customer and saying "fill here, change heads here, reassemble like so, push the button and go" isn't a very useful when .... stops working... Hind site being 20/20 - I wouldn't have approached the customer as I'm an introvert, but I should have given the clerks some grief about their shotty customer service.. happy customers are customers for life, and given that guys last two experiences I'm sure he'll find a new shop. My first device I bought online and got it right.. but I did a solid week of research before doing so, and the dual coil clear's weren't out yet... If I had gone to a shop I would have expected them to walk me through basically what I've researched.

ok.. I'll stop rambling now

 

[Bismo Funyuns]

Reading this makes me glad I took things slow. Quit smoking on an ego twist, upgraded clearomizers once or twice, did a week or two of research and calculating on mech mods, batteries, coils, current, all that stuff. Then took the dive and even went to a shop just to make sure I was good. Been safely vaping a .24 ohm dual coil plume veil ever since. Sigelei 150 coming in a day or two. I'm so pumped.

 

[CloudyWithChanceOfVape]

See, here I was hoping you would tell me what had happened. Something a little more specific than "she was poorly versed in battery safety and therefore made a critical error." Maybe I was a bit hash saying things like "fear-mongering" and "elitism," but your post just felt, to me, like a joke without a punchline.

- Knock knock.
- Who's there?
- Stupid girl blew up her battery.
- Stupid girl blew up her battery who?
- I know, right? LOL!

The girl came into the shop the week before looking at fancy mech mods... She saw a stingray, the owner showed it to her, she didnt ask questions, so she handed it back and he put it back up, she was just saying how pretty it looked. He replied with, "Well before you use one of these you'll have to learn some stuff, it's alot more complicated than an Ego, but we can help you out if you need it".

FLASH FORWARD
She walked into the shop that day with a Stingray and RDA she ordered from Ebay because it was cheaper than the shop's price. She did not do homework, she did not research, she used a battery that had no name label, with a stock RDA, stock coil already in it, and didnt know there was a firing pin on the bottom and she had left it sitting upright.
She came into the shop after it had vented. She said it got extrmemly hot, and fire was coming out.

We both explained to her the use of a mech mod, what coils are, what sub-ohming is, battery safety, amp safety, OHMS LAW, how to build coils, HOW TO TEST COILS TWICE before using, how to wick, how to properly use a mech mod, and what the difference in MEchMod and VV/VW.

The point of the story, she saw something she thought looked cool in a store for 64.99, didnt want to ask questions because it was too expensive, so she she found it on Ebay WITH a cheap RDA and pre-built coil for $40 and purchased it NOT knowing what she was getting.

 

[AndriaD]

The girl came into the shop the week before looking at fancy mech mods... She saw a stingray, the owner showed it to her, she didnt ask questions, so she handed it back and he put it back up, she was just saying how pretty it looked. He replied with, "Well before you use one of these you'll have to learn some stuff, it's alot more complicated than an Ego, but we can help you out if you need it".

FLASH FORWARD
She walked into the shop that day with a Stingray and RDA she ordered from Ebay because it was cheaper than the shop's price. She did not do homework, she did not research, she used a battery that had no name label, with a stock RDA, stock coil already in it, and didnt know there was a firing pin on the bottom and she had left it sitting upright.
She came into the shop after it had vented. She said it got extrmemly hot, and fire was coming out.

We both explained to her the use of a mech mod, what coils are, what sub-ohming is, battery safety, amp safety, OHMS LAW, how to build coils, HOW TO TEST COILS TWICE before using, how to wick, how to properly use a mech mod, and what the difference in MEchMod and VV/VW.

The point of the story, she saw something she thought looked cool in a store for 64.99, didnt want to ask questions because it was too expensive, so she she found it on Ebay WITH a cheap RDA and pre-built coil for $40 and purchased it NOT knowing what she was getting.

Then she's obviously a complete and total idiot, and natural selection *should* apply. Unfortunately, her taking herself out of the evolutionary game might harm others.

Andria

 

[HecticEnergy]

The girl came into the shop the week before looking at fancy mech mods... She saw a stingray, the owner showed it to her, she didnt ask questions, so she handed it back and he put it back up, she was just saying how pretty it looked. He replied with, "Well before you use one of these you'll have to learn some stuff, it's alot more complicated than an Ego, but we can help you out if you need it".

FLASH FORWARD
She walked into the shop that day with a Stingray and RDA she ordered from Ebay because it was cheaper than the shop's price. She did not do homework, she did not research, she used a battery that had no name label, with a stock RDA, stock coil already in it, and didnt know there was a firing pin on the bottom and she had left it sitting upright.
She came into the shop after it had vented. She said it got extrmemly hot, and fire was coming out.

We both explained to her the use of a mech mod, what coils are, what sub-ohming is, battery safety, amp safety, OHMS LAW, how to build coils, HOW TO TEST COILS TWICE before using, how to wick, how to properly use a mech mod, and what the difference in MEchMod and VV/VW.

The point of the story, she saw something she thought looked cool in a store for 64.99, didnt want to ask questions because it was too expensive, so she she found it on Ebay WITH a cheap RDA and pre-built coil for $40 and purchased it NOT knowing what she was getting.

This dude's video series does a pretty good job of explaining stuff, though it's obviously dated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ4wrOaKYDY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z094DhUNKBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7Knnidxqk
REALLY corny intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussFhfQns30

 

[LeftofCenter]

Because I love to tinker and I always want better I want to get into RBA's. That said I am also sitting next to my note pad where I have been taking down notes on ohms law and such because I am starting at zero here. Not touching it until I know the basics at the very least and then I will be working my way from there.

 

[Sunburst]

The girl came into the shop the week before looking at fancy mech mods... She saw a stingray, the owner showed it to her, she didnt ask questions, so she handed it back and he put it back up, she was just saying how pretty it looked. He replied with, "Well before you use one of these you'll have to learn some stuff, it's alot more complicated than an Ego, but we can help you out if you need it".

FLASH FORWARD
She walked into the shop that day with a Stingray and RDA she ordered from Ebay because it was cheaper than the shop's price. She did not do homework, she did not research, she used a battery that had no name label, with a stock RDA, stock coil already in it, and didnt know there was a firing pin on the bottom and she had left it sitting upright.
She came into the shop after it had vented. She said it got extrmemly hot, and fire was coming out.

We both explained to her the use of a mech mod, what coils are, what sub-ohming is, battery safety, amp safety, OHMS LAW, how to build coils, HOW TO TEST COILS TWICE before using, how to wick, how to properly use a mech mod, and what the difference in MEchMod and VV/VW.

The point of the story, she saw something she thought looked cool in a store for 64.99, didnt want to ask questions because it was too expensive, so she she found it on Ebay WITH a cheap RDA and pre-built coil for $40 and purchased it NOT knowing what she was getting.

Well, when you put it like that, my opinion about the situation changes. However, I still stand by my post. It really just supplements it about the dangers of blind buying from the internet. At least your shop was looking to take care of her.

Unfortunately for humanity and the customer in question, I think there's a lot of truth in the following quote from Frank Zappa:

"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe."

 

[jcreely]

i love my mods but use kanger alot as well for convenience. i found that 9 wraps (tightly coiled together without overlapping) of 28 gauge kanthal gives me killer vapor production. alot more production than you would expect without using an RDA anyway

 

[wheelie]

I never understand on these forums when new users say they just bought a new mod and "how many wraps for a .5 coil". I always think to my self if you don't know I am not going to tell you. but you always get people telling them.

 

[HecticEnergy]

Because I love to tinker and I always want better I want to get into RBA's. That said I am also sitting next to my note pad where I have been taking down notes on ohms law and such because I am starting at zero here. Not touching it until I know the basics at the very least and then I will be working my way from there.

BIG HIGH FIVE TO YOU!!
Start with a regulated mod. 30w is enough for most, but if you think you may want to cloud chase look at higher wattage mods. 30-50w mods are much more portable with single 18650

 

[AndriaD]

I never understand on these forums when new users say they just bought a new mod and "how many wraps for a .5 coil". I always think to my self if you don't know I am not going to tell you. but you always get people telling them.

Exactly! "If you don't know and you're too stupid to know where or how to look it up... you're on your own!"

Andria

 

[Fattlestar]

I never understand on these forums when new users say they just bought a new mod and "how many wraps for a .5 coil". I always think to my self if you don't know I am not going to tell you. but you always get people telling them.

Exactly! "If you don't know and you're too stupid to know where or how to look it up... you're on your own!"

Andria

Shaming people for asking questions is the exact opposite of what this forum is intended for. Shame on you.

 

[wheelie]

Shaming people for asking questions is the exact opposite of what this forum is intended for. Shame on you.

Please reread what I wrote.

 

[Bunnykiller]

maybe we shouldnt say a thing and let the Darwin awards be given out......