This is what the FDA thinks is a better alternative then e-cigs. Note the horrifying side-effects!
YouTube - Chantix 2009
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I started researching ecigs last week. Knew almost immediately it was something I wanted to do. Still haven't bought one yet. Will tonight.
Even though I am ready to start vaping instead of smoking, I still don't know if it's good for me, or even better than smoking. I only think it is.
My philosophy is that I have no idea what is in my cigarettes. I recently moved back to Maryland and now my cigs go out if I don't smoke them consistently. Apparently a new law to keep me from setting myself on fire. I DON'T SMOKE IN BED AND I DON'T WANT TO INHALE YET ANOTHER CHEMICAL!!!
As far as e-liquid goes, I know there are only 3 - 4 ingredients and as long as I buy from a reputable company it should be quality grade. Hence, I would rather take my chances vaping than continuing to smoke. If people are interested and ask me questions once I start, I will discuss. For those that would like to discourage me, I won't discuss. I have researched as much as I can. I have made my decision. It is MY decision to make. Conversation over.
Don't try to convince the naysayers. You will never change their minds. If you are comfortable with your decision that is all that matters.
Even though I am ready to start vaping instead of smoking, I still don't know if it's good for me, or even better than smoking. I only think it is.
My philosophy is that I have no idea what is in my cigarettes. I recently moved back to Maryland and now my cigs go out if I don't smoke them consistently. Apparently a new law to keep me from setting myself on fire. I DON'T SMOKE IN BED AND I DON'T WANT TO INHALE YET ANOTHER CHEMICAL!!!
As far as e-liquid goes, I know there are only 3 - 4 ingredients and as long as I buy from a reputable company it should be quality grade. Hence, I would rather take my chances vaping than continuing to smoke. If people are interested and ask me questions once I start, I will discuss. For those that would like to discourage me, I won't discuss. I have researched as much as I can. I have made my decision. It is MY decision to make. Conversation over.
Don't try to convince the naysayers. You will never change their minds. If you are comfortable with your decision that is all that matters.
Lol, I've just worked alot of retail jobs and have dealt with way too many people who are literally so stupid that i'm surprised they're alive.
All one has to do is listen to the side effects in commercials for FDA approved meds. I just saw one for arthritis meds that can cause cancer, death, bleeding, brain leaking out your ears, etc. Yes I exaggerated a bit but watch that and tell me with a straight face that the FDA cares about safety. You shouldn't be getting friggen cancer from an arthritis med. Or how about that acne med that had teens killing themselves? Why are suicidal thoughts a side effect of anti-depressants?
I'd literally rather ingest antifreeze than take a prescription medicine these days.
I'd rather pay somebody to stand there and slap cigarettes out of my mouth.
Here's a documentary about the inventor of Chantix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqImkDgDwHU
Man we went from happy video of man singing in the shower to the evils of the FDA.
Lets think happy thoughts?
Lets think happy thoughts?
I think people are apt to be dismissive of ecigs because watching someone quit while you still can't makes them uncomfortable. If he is able to dismiss your ecig then in his mind, he can keep smoking. IMHO
I have recently bought a 510 and Tornado kit form TW and enjoying them greatly. I use the 510 for work and the Tornado for home and on the go. I really love them both, and the fact I can look at my half pack of Camels on the desk without even a desire to light one.
So today I go out to hit the mall to do some clothes shopping, On my way there I saw a car show and a friend of mines car there. I stop to say hi and chit-chat abit when his son (who is a smoker) comes up and tells me what I am smoking is full of antifreeze and its gonna kill me. He won't hear anything I say about that not being quite accurate. He was convinced the main ingredient in e-juice was antifreeze cause the tv said so. I told him he was wrong and even if it was true It would probably be better for me than a "real" cig anyways.
I proceed on my way in a somewhat bitter mood.Well to make a long story short the mall had a kiosk that sold some offbrand e-cig so I had a few puffs here and there feeling ok about it seeing as they sold them there. Before I leave I have three different folks telling me that they are just as bad for me or worse. And one woman that looked at me like I was the antichrist. I feared at one point she would spit on me.
I had left today hoping I could maybe help someone else who was chained to analog addiction. And maybe get a new shirt
It hurts me to think that the media has hurt the e-cigs rep so bad that smokers won't look any further into it and non-smokers still think you are the next son of satan.
I must admit, though, my fingers and toes don't freeze as easily in cold weather when I vape. lol
I agree with your overall message. However, I disagree when you say smoking is "socially acceptable". Smokers are treated like lepers in todays society. The majority of people do not smoke or vape. They won't be happy until we are just like them! I don't care if the majority of ppl remain ignorant about e-cig.s unless their ignorance leads to e-cig.s being banned! Then I care A LOT!
It is true that some anti-freezes contain PG, but the one that the FDA mentioned was ethylene glycol, which is deadly if ingested, and is not in Ecig juice unless some Chinese plant got it wrong. PG is rated GRAS (generally recognized as safe) by the FDA. I always point that out and tell them to read contents labels and look for propylene glycol. It's in your shampoo, some salad dressings, and 100s of foods. It's even in your son's snow cone juice. Kmart sells the machine and the snow cone juice, take a look at the label next time you are there!
If they haven't walked off mumbling by then, I go into the fact that it has been used in asthma inhalers since the 1950s and there was an 18 month test where lab rats lived in a heavy PG mist 24/7. At autopsy time, the lab rats in the PG atmosphere had no internal organ or lung issues and were healthier than the ones that lived in room air. They were absolutely normal. That study led to PG vapor being used in lung transplant recovery therapy as an aerosol carrier for cyclosporine treatments.
They usually have no questions and look wide-eyed and confused by that time, if they didn't walk off before I got through. I don't seem to ever be able to get into the fact that nicotine is not a carcinogen by itself and that the vapor contains none or immeasurable amounts when exhaled.
Rush will educate the American public and his words will float around to everyone through word of mouth. I suspect that he will be our best bet to get the FDA off the back of the Ecig.
The people are getting this crud from the media, which has been parroting the complete and utter BS released by the FDA regarding the results of some tests they ran on a few Smoking Everywhere and NJoy cartridges.
The antifreeze scare was based on the finding of a bit of diethylene glycol in one cartridge tested.
While important to take note of since is should NOT be in there, it was found in only one cartridge out of the 19 tested. It was NOT found in the any of the NJoy cartridges tested, only in one of the Smoking Everywhere cartridges.
And even knowing that, you should also know that the amount of diethylene glycol that was found in that one Smoking Everywhere cartridge (approximately 1% according to the test results) is not particularly harmful and would require sucking down hundreds, or even thousands of cartridges per day to get anywhere near a toxic level.
Also of note is that diethylene glycol is also in cigarettes, and the FDA allows amounts of less that 0.1% to be present in any products that contain propylene glycol.
Yeah, that is not the best news, but not the worst news either.
And yes, again, that diethylene glycol should not be in there no matter how little there was.
As for the carcinogens, they found around six or seven different nitrosamines, which are carcinogens.
These nitrosamines come from the extraction of nicotine from tobacco.
They are also found in smoking cessation products in approximately the same amounts.
And of course they are also found in real cigarettes, but in much, much, much higher amounts.
Somewhere on the order of 1500 times more in real cigarettes actually.
Along with more than 30 additional carcinogens as well.
The amount of them they found in the juice, however, is so low as to be virtually harmless.
And while these things were found in the liquid, unless I am mistaken they were not found in the vapor.
And that would be an extremely important distinction to make as well.
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I am regretful to admit that i was a person that was believing everything that the FDA said on ecigs and kept on believing it till one night i wanted to see if something has changed on them. So i got on my computer and did a search on ecigs and i ended up here. Started reading and it changed my perspective instantly. Bought my first ecig that night and i will never believe what the FDA says on ecigs again.
We need to market this as a Airborne Virus Eliminator!
As soon as we tell them it helps kill airborne viruses I'm sure we'll get more converts.
Hah wonder if people would actually start vaping just for that.
Don't worry about Pig/Swine/Bird Flu just use a E-Inhaler!
As soon as we tell them it helps kill airborne viruses I'm sure we'll get more converts.
Hah wonder if people would actually start vaping just for that.
Don't worry about Pig/Swine/Bird Flu just use a E-Inhaler!
with the miss-information from the FDA being spread by the media and others it's going to fall to us to fill in the blanks with the rest of the truth. we must also compete with ads that promote the 'free trials' that are also miss-leading information(and ripping people off)
thx for the info DC2 i know it's other places too, but thx for putting it here
Now there's a stop smoking method that never occurred to me. LOL
I guess I've been lucky so far...I've actually converted two people and everyone has been really positive. I'm prepared to educate if necessary though.
I completely agree with your leper statement!
I work in a gov building, and we are told where we can smoke. I have no problem with this.
From 6am to 4pm, M-F, our smoking area is the loading dock. This is a good thing.
From 4pm to 6am, M-F and ALL weekend, we are forced to the front of the building. This is a bad thing.
Guess what time of day a ton of people leave for the day?
Yup, 4pm >.<
I call them Smoke Nazis.
You know who they are. They are the people that cough, makes faces, and comments as they walk through the smoking area.
They hold their breath until they can't stand it any longer.
They make offensive comments in the elevator about the smell.
This is a great thread! I really had no idea that there was so much bad propaganda out there. I've had two friends buy e-cigs because they tried mine, and another five that are really interested. I like being able to warn them about things before they encounter them as newbies.
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I am SOOOOOO with you on this! I think there's a reason why we finally die after we get old......we get wise enough over the years that we simply can't STAND to live in the stupid world anymore. lol I DO NOT take meds. Period.
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