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Craybee

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too bad that little punk :censored: so-n-so wasn't an old. grandma tried that very same stunt when we were grocery shopping for her weekly supply of baby food (it's all she can gum these days). while the cashier was ringing us up grandma whipped out a huge provari from the cavity of her leg stump and blew a cloud so thick that the poor checkout girl thought grandma's head exploded or sumpthin. after the cloud dissipated i apologized profusely to the the checkout girl and blamed grandma's actions on senior dementia. then i promptly wheeled her to the front door of the nearest nursing home for two weeks so she could think about her actions a little. and told her that maybe, just maybe, i'll give her her leg and teeth back if she behaves herself.

unfortunately my effort at discipline didn't quite work out cuz they kicked her out after a few days for running an e-cig racketeering ring with some gang of centenarians there called the Low Titty Posse. but at least now she knows i'll have none of that!
 

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I find it interesting that almost every thread on this subject is started by someone who just joined ECF and has relatively few posts. I've been vaping for over 4 years and have never seen anything like this and I am in a major metropolitan area and in stores, shops and businesses every day.

I also find it quite childish that everyone of these "thread starters" condescendingly believe they must judge others and dictate vaping behavior. Let's see, isn't that exactly what all the liberal senators and ANTZ's are doing who want vaping banned - judging others based on their view of superiority and wanting to dictate how others live.

Give me a break.

Several months back, a couple of early twenty year olds cut in line at at the grocery store in front of a woman with a full cart. Their excuse to her was "we just have this one item". I regret not saying anything to them for lacking manners.

And excuse me for noticing this same kind of behavior so early in my vaping tenure. I still don't give a .... and will call the next kid out for doing the same thing.
Your 11,000+ posts mean nothing to me other than you spend a lot more time on this site than I do.

Give me a break.
 

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Several months back, a couple of early twenty year olds cut in line at at the grocery store in front of a woman with a full cart. Their excuse to her was "we just have this one item". I regret not saying anything to them for lacking manners.

And excuse me for noticing this same kind of behavior so early in my vaping tenure. I still don't give a .... and will call the next kid out for doing the same thing.
Your 11,000+ posts mean nothing to me other than you spend a lot more time on this site than I do.

Give me a break.

I find it interesting that you are so zoned in on other people's rudeness but your own escapes you.

Also, I ALWAYS have a full cart of groceries when I go grocery shopping but I would let someone with 1 thing go in front of me. To me it would be rude to make someone wait to pay for 1 thing just because I am technically next in line.

So as I was saying, rudeness is subjective.

...and now I'm done with this thread.
 

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He vaped in public. Must be a no good punk.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. It just looks like another person coming to ECF to complain about people vaping.

If the store has a problem with it, they can put up a sign. Back when you could legally smoke cigs in public, that's what happened at places that didn't want you to smoke. If they aren't bothering to put up a no vaping sign, maybe they don't consider it a problem.

It's not smoke. It doesn't stink like smoke. It doesn't have the health implications smoking has. He isn't breaking any laws. He isn't harming anyone.

But you don't like him, so you call him a punk.

And I'm supposed to believe that, between the two of you, you're the respectful one.
 
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I find it interesting that you are so zoned in on other people's rudeness but your own escapes you.

Also, I ALWAYS have a full cart of groceries when I go grocery shopping but I would let someone with 1 thing go in front of me. To me it would be rude to make someone wait to pay for 1 thing just because I am technically next in line.

So as I was saying, rudeness is subjective.

...and now I'm done with this thread.

I was going to respond to his post, but you responded so well, Zealous, I'll just give you a big :thumb:
 
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OK, I deleted one response earlier... not this one!

To the OP, consider yourself lucky that ya walked out the second time without 'wearing' a cheap ol' eGo!

I'm an ol' fart that knows what 'situational awareness' AND ol' fashioned manners/considerations are. But if anyone gets in my face with an 'I'm right and you are wrong' attitude, I'll gladly let 'em 'wear' my MPV, cheap eGo or whatever PV home. Chances are that they would have to remove it prior to bucklin' a seat belt.

Your rationale is no better than any 'I'm here to help ya' pile-o-ticks that know what is best for me (us)! If I'm doing nothing illegal, LMTFA, move on and then post a whining lil' rant/boast here.

Chances are that no one will never have an opportunity to 'catch' me acting like a 'Disrespectful Little Punk' due to my awareness (see above). But, I'm old 'nuff to remember when da air was clean, sex was dirty and freedom was worth battling for.

'Bout time some vaping folk get off their high horses, climb down from their 'ivory towers' and battle the true enemies, instead of each other!

Just to be clear, I'm attacking an attitude, not any ECF member. If anyone thinks the shoe and/or underwear fits, I just hope neither are too tight!

BTW, are ya'll $upporting CASAA members, written your congressional/local g'ment critters and actively try to educate your locals? Ummmm...
 

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OK, I deleted one response earlier... not this one!

To the OP, consider yourself lucky that ya walked out the second time without 'wearing' a cheap ol' eGo!

I'm an ol' fart that knows what 'situational awareness' AND ol' fashioned manners/considerations are. But if anyone gets in my face with an 'I'm right and you are wrong' attitude, I'll gladly let 'em 'wear' my MPV, cheap eGo or whatever PV home. Chances are that they would have to remove it prior to bucklin' a seat belt.

Your rationale is no better than any 'I'm here to help ya' pile-o-ticks that know what is best for me (us)! If I'm doing nothing illegal, LMTFA, move on and then post a whining lil' rant/boast here.

Chances are that no one will never have an opportunity to 'catch' me acting like a 'Disrespectful Little Punk' due to my awareness (see above). But, I'm old 'nuff to remember when da air was clean, sex was dirty and freedom was worth battling for.

'Bout time some vaping folk get off their high horses, climb down from their 'ivory towers' and battle the true enemies, instead of each other!

Just to be clear, I'm attacking an attitude, not any ECF member. If anyone thinks the shoe and/or underwear fits, I just hope neither are too tight!

BTW, are ya'll $upporting CASAA members, written your congressional/local g'ment critters and actively try to educate your locals? Ummmm...

Yes to all of this.
OP:
Pot, kettle, black.
 

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I had the exact opposite experience today while walking around downtown. I saw three or four guys with e-cigs, all puffing away discretely in distinclty out-of-the-way spots; in an alley, at the side of a building, that sort of thing. Bothering no one and not causing a fuss at all. Ages ranged from 20 to 40-ish, and all had little C4 clearos. It made me feel good.
 

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I had the exact opposite experience today while walking around downtown. I saw three or four guys with e-cigs, all puffing away discretely in distinclty out-of-the-way spots; in an alley, at the side of a building, that sort of thing. Bothering no one and not causing a fuss at all. Ages ranged from 20 to 40-ish, and all had little C4 clearos. It made me feel good.

Why did it make you feel good? Because they were acting sketchy in an alley rather than vaping openly?
 

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Why did it make you feel good? Because they were acting sketchy in an alley rather than vaping openly?
No no, not at all what I meant. I meant that they weren't getting in anyone's face about it, just minding their own business, and everyone around them was minding theirs. The one young guy I saw in the alley wasn't hiding, it was filled with sunlight and he was just sitting on the curb out of the way of foot traffic enjoying his e-cig and messing with his phone. One guy was having a conversation in front of a building, obviously on his break from work. No one seemed to care or be put out, it just seemed like a normal day with vapers vaping and everyone else just doing their things. That's what made me feel good; there was no tension around it, no conflict. It was as if the ANTZ had never existed, that there was no need for anyone to feel like telling anyone else what to do or how to behave because everyone was just minding their own business. It felt good because I saw other people vaping without someone turning up their nose or fake-coughing like he was a dirty smoker. The vapers were just part of the landscape. I actually felt like the extremist with my Kayfun and mech amongst the eGos and clearos. No one was hiding, no one was being confrontational, no one was unhappy. THAT's what made me feel good. Unlike some days when it seems like everyone is either annoyed with me or annoying me, it was just relaxed and everything was cool. So when I came home read the post and heard this all-too familiar story about the guy and the punk, I wanted to say okay, but it's not always like that and today was one of those days.
 

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No no, not at all what I meant. I meant that they weren't getting in anyone's face about it, just minding their own business, and everyone around them was minding theirs. The one young guy I saw in the alley wasn't hiding, it was filled with sunlight and he was just sitting on the curb out of the way of foot traffic enjoying his e-cig and messing with his phone. One guy was having a conversation in front of a building, obviously on his break from work. No one seemed to care or be put out, it just seemed like a normal day with vapers vaping and everyone else just doing their things. That's what made me feel good; there was no tension around it, no conflict. It was as if the ANTZ had never existed, that there was no need for anyone to feel like telling anyone else what to do or how to behave because everyone was just minding their own business. It felt good because I saw other people vaping without someone turning up their nose or fake-coughing like he was a dirty smoker. The vapers were just part of the landscape. I actually felt like the extremist with my Kayfun and mech amongst the eGos and clearos. No one was hiding, no one was being confrontational, no one was unhappy. THAT's what made me feel good. Unlike some days when it seems like everyone is either annoyed with me or annoying me, it was just relaxed and everything was cool. So when I came home read the post and heard this all-too familiar story about the guy and the punk, I wanted to say okay, but it's not always like that and today was one of those days.

Makes perfect sense. We should all be so lucky to enjoy a day with everyone worrying about themselves rather than those around them.
I think the OP's experience was the exception, not the rule.
And I have to wonder how many of these stories are actual accounts or just folks who got miffed but didn't do anything about it but wish they had.
Funny how we never used to be so critical of each other when we were smokers.
 

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I just have to ask, what's with all the young people hate? I'm
21 btw. I know people my age who trample other peoples personal space and liberties sometimes yes but I see a great many older people do it too. Just an example and I know it won't be a popular one. Just happened yesterday. Older guy (think 80+) cuts me off so close I thought he was taking my bumper off. Then proceeds to drive for 3 miles at 25 mph in a 40. Is that not rude? Rudeness and disrespect doesn't know age nor does it discriminate.

Sorry if this seems out of place but sometimes I feel stereotyped and victimized as a 21 year old because some of us don't have manners, respect, common sense or dignity


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Makes perfect sense. We should all be so lucky to enjoy a day with everyone worrying about themselves rather than those around them.
I think the OP's experience was the exception, not the rule.
And I have to wonder how many of these stories are actual accounts or just folks who got miffed but didn't do anything about it but wish they had.
Funny how we never used to be so critical of each other when we were smokers.

Hehe yeah. In my city there's an ordinance against smoking at a bus stop. It's a 300 ticket if a cop happens to pull up while you're having a smoke (which I used to call 'bus-callers' because it always seemed like as soon as I lit up, the bus would suddenly appear). I had a pack of smokes on me but I knew about this new ordinance so I wasn't smoking. A woman walked into the bus stop shelter and was waving her smoke around. I lifted my pack out of my shirt pocket to identify myself as a fellow smoker and said 'Not trying to make a fuss, but I just wanted you to be aware it's a 300 dollar ticket if you get caught smoking in the bus stop'. She went BALLISTIC. "I don't need to hear anything more from YOU!"she yelled, and started stomping around, just furious with me. So many anti smokers had given her a hard time that she wouldn't even listen to a friendly word of advice from a fellow smoker. She was livid, and I didn't respond well for trying to do a good deed and getting yelled at for it. Point being that the ANTZ and their ilk have just terrorized people into being wholly irrational and defensive. It's no wonder cloud chasers are blowing vapor in people's faces and saying 'NYAH!' I feel like doing that too, sometimes. Regarding the OP, though, I can see his point and part of me agrees with what he did. Another part of me hears and accepts the contrary arguement of 'it won't do any good, so mind your own business'. Perfectly valid. Even the more extreme version of that 'I'd make you wear it home if you said that to me'. Yep, I can see that too. It all comes down to getting other people to behave the way we want them to behave, because that's the way we want them to behave. Why? Because we all feel the need to do that on some level, at some time, to greater and lesser degrees. It's a universal human response.
 
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Don't worry I'm sure we'll all be vaping in the smoking area soon enough

Ain't that the truth. They're being banned left and right.

This is one of many reasons why I don't want to be one of those self-righteous ex-smokers who turns up her nose at those who still smoke. The odds are excellent that I will soon be standing with them again, literally as well as figuratively.

If people didn't do stuff like vape in line at a grocery store, would the bans slow down? Maybe, but I doubt it. I suspect the real reason people dislike vaping is that it just plain looks like smoking. The "electronic cigarette" line isn't helping.
 

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Hehe yeah. In my city there's an ordinance against smoking at a bus stop. It's a 300 ticket if a cop happens to pull up while you're having a smoke (which I used to call 'bus-callers' because it always seemed like as soon as I lit up, the bus would suddenly appear). I had a pack of smokes on me but I knew about this new ordinance so I wasn't smoking. A woman walked into the bus stop shelter and was waving her smoke around. I lifted my pack out of my shirt pocket to identify myself as a fellow smoker and said 'Not trying to make a fuss, but I just wanted you to be aware it's a 300 dollar ticket if you get caught smoking in the bus stop'. She went BALLISTIC. "I don't need to hear anything more from YOU!"she yelled, and and started stomping around, just furious with me. So many anti smokers had given her a hard time that she wouldn't even listen to a friendly word of advice from a fellow smoker. She was livid, and I didn't respond well for trying to do a good deed getting yelled at for it. Point being that the ANTZ and their ilk have just terrorized people into being wholly irrational and defensive. It's no wonder cloud chasers are blowing vapor in people's faces and saying 'NYAH!' I feel like doing that too, sometimes. Regarding the OP, though, I can see his point and part of me agrees with what he did. Another part of me hears and accepts the contrary arguement of 'it won't do any good, so mind your own business'. Perfectly valid. Even the more extreme version of that 'I'd make you wear it home if you said that to me'. Yep, I can see that too. It all comes down to getting other people to behave the way we want them to behave, because that's the way we want them to behave. Why? Because we all feel the need to do that on some level, at some time, to greater and lesser degrees. It's a universal human response.

I've said it before- it's all about a certain amount of tact in situations where you confront others in public, especially with the intent of telling them they are doing something they shouldn't be even though they are well within legal bounds.
If I put myself in the "punk's" shoes, what happened here?

I'm at Wally World today picking up some things for my sick grandmother who has just been given a few days left to live. I normally don't vape in the store but I have been stressing out lately and it was just out of habit that I pulled out my eGo and started to puff away in the checkout line. Nobody said a thing about it (even the cashier) so it didn't dawn on me that I should probably not be doing this here.
As I'm walking out of the store, a guy walks up to me out of nowhere with something in his hand. He introduces himself as a fellow vaper and i think "cool, I haven't met many, maybe he wants to talk about gear or something?"
Well, he most certainly did not. Before I could get the words out, he started telling me how disrespectful I was, how I give all vapers a bad name, and even topped it off by calling me a hipster! I wanted to explain the situation and even apologize but I was so taken aback that all I could think to say was "it's not illegal". What a stupid line.
After he shared some more of his thoughts, I couldn't even speak. All I could do was stare straight ahead. He stormed off, leaving me in disbelief and feeling really guilty. I went to my car but I kept thinking about what he said to me. I went back into the store and apologized for my behavior. Luckily, they were forgiving and I even converted a couple of employees who were curious when they saw me vaping! I hope they use the info I gave them and I really hope the story I told about my grandmother (who is the reason I quit after she was diagnosed with lung cancer) helps them to get off the cigs!
I hope that guy doesn't think I'm some punk or something- it was an honest mistake and I think he might have been having a bad day or something.
Thanks for listening everyone- just been a tough day.

My favorite saying:
"Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. Be kind."
 
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