Disrespectful Little Punk

[wv2win]

And you Wonder why there are More and More Bans being Enacted on the City, County and State Level?

Please provide links and concrete evidence that people vaping in non-smoking areas is the cause of public bans across the nation. You can't, but that doesn't stop you from throwing out a straw-man argument that you can't back-up. For someone who loves to tell others they are trolls, this is a good example of troll behavior.

 

[wv2win]

Those that have the attitude that "it isn't illegal so I'm going to do it wherever I want" are only hastening the prohibition of vaping for the rest of us. It's that simple.

So back when vaping was banned nationwide in 2009, you are telling us it was because there were all these people vaping openly in stores and business and that is what initiated the nationwide ban?? Back when there were not even one person vaping every 500 square miles.

Vaping bans never have been and never will be about how people vape.

 

[NerdVap0r]

My simple 2cents

1. Appreciate that the young'ins aren't smoking cancer sticks.
2. I'll get flamed for this but i think we need more "little punks" to educate the public and give mass awareness lol. Disrespectful of him indeed but we need more folks like him as i think its worse for us to treat vaping like smoking.

 

[Zealous]

According to one of our own members - He had to give up vaping his favorite mix in the house. He said while it tasted delicious, others thought he had crapped his pants.
Yes, some vapes smell awesome............others, not so much.
Also as Taste is Subjective.............. Likewise Smell is also subjective. Anything perfumy sends my wife into respiratory distress.
I vape right next to her but make sure my vape is not bothering her.
Why should I offer a stranger any less respect?

There have been several flavors I have really liked but my hubby & kids thought they smelled disgusting. I quit using them although I was not entirely happy about it. But I would have been far less happy vaping something & having them unhappy about the smell when I could just as easily find a flavor that doesn't offend them.

Personally I think they did me a favor though by telling me they didn't smell good. Had they never said anything then some stranger probably would have & that stranger, who does not love me, would have probably been far less kind then any of my family members.

 

[zoiDman]

Please provide links and concrete evidence that people vaping in non-smoking areas is the cause of public bans across the nation. You can't, but that doesn't stop you from throwing out a straw-man argument that you can't back-up. For someone who loves to tell others they are trolls, this is a good example of troll behavior.

I know you would not have posted what you did Unless you had Links and Concrete Evidence that your Vape-Everywhere approach has somehow Stopped a Ban from happening, so you might as well go ahead and post your Links.

Here is a Very Tragic Story...

www. syracuse .com/news/index.ssf/2014/04/syracuse_hospital_bans_e-cigarettes_after_patient_catches_fire_while_using_one.html
Syracuse hospital bans e-cigarettes after patient on oxygen catches fire while using one

And here is a Very Interesting Perspective from a Business Owner who also happens to be an e-Cigarette User...

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_.../i_just_made_my_bar_vape_free_am_i_a_bad_guy/

I wonder how many Other businesses, with Non-Vaping Owners, have Banned e-Cigarettes Completely because of people like yourself who believe they should be able to Vape Anywhere they want?

 

[DrMA]

I wonder how many Other businesses, with Non-Vaping Owners, have Banned e-Cigarettes Completely because of people like yourself who believe they should be able to Vape Anywhere they want?

Let me see if I get this straight: This seems to argue that we should not vape indoors for fear vaping would be banned indoors. Nope, sorry, doesn't quite click for me... If we're not to vape indoors, what is the relevance of it being officially banned or not. IOW, you're arguing for a de facto, self-imposed ban...

 

[crxess]

Back stabbing
Name calling
Assumption
Insinuation
Insults
Belittling
Demeaning
Accusation
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Cant even discuss any given topic on a forum without loosing control and wonder why Government so easily runs us over.

 

[rzil]

Ah Grasshopper, thou has learned well and professed a profound truth of freedom! Luv, cherish and fight for it!!!

agree with you 2 100% , for me it's very hypocrite that those who claim to be Protector of democracy are the ones responsible for such fascists laws , an owner of the property has every right to do what ever he wants with his establishment as long as it doesn't involve ilegal activities .

Those liberals are also the ones trying to stop us from vaping , how hypocrite of them allowing tobacco smokes while trying to ban vaping , it makes me sick.

What makes me more angry with my ministry of health (Israel) is that our health system , even though it's 1 of the most social and advanced in the world has some of the biggest problems such Nurses & Doctors strikes every once in a while , Doctors leaving the public health system because the government doesn't pay them much , interns suffering from extreme long hours , Foreigners preferred over citizens ...

considering all of that and some more , how dare they even spend a minute of their time talking about the 5-10K vapers in Israel , pisses me off , am I paying nice amount of money in health taxes every month for them to push me back to smoking?!

 

[e-pipeman]

I think all health systems around the world have their own problems at the minute. Here in the UK the increasing number of treatments together with and increasing proportion of elderly patients is putting a strain on the NHS. Sorry to hear that Israel has problems with this - and good luck with educating your government about vaping!

 

[wv2win]

I know you would not have posted what you did Unless you had Links and Concrete Evidence that your Vape-Everywhere approach has somehow Stopped a Ban from happening, so you might as well go ahead and post your Links.

Here is a Very Tragic Story...

www. syracuse .com/news/index.ssf/2014/04/syracuse_hospital_bans_e-cigarettes_after_patient_catches_fire_while_using_one.html
Syracuse hospital bans e-cigarettes after patient on oxygen catches fire while using one

And here is a Very Interesting Perspective from a Business Owner who also happens to be an e-Cigarette User...

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_.../i_just_made_my_bar_vape_free_am_i_a_bad_guy/

I wonder how many Other businesses, with Non-Vaping Owners, have Banned e-Cigarettes Completely because of people like yourself who believe they should be able to Vape Anywhere they want?

LOL, the best you could do, which is quite telling, is a ban in a private business due to a "suspected" but not proven act of someone causing a fire due to vaping while using oxygen. I believe that most of us would not protest restricting "stupid" vaping that could possibly cause harm.

Since that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, your statement that how people vape is causing bans across the country is as I stated, making statements that are not supported by reality. At least that is consistent with many of your posts.

 

[zoiDman]

Let me see if I get this straight: This seems to argue that we should not vape indoors for fear vaping would be banned indoors. Nope, sorry, doesn't quite click for me... If we're not to vape indoors, what is the relevance of it being officially banned or not. IOW, you're arguing for a de facto, self-imposed ban...

No. That Isn't where the Problem is.

If a person walks into a Business and Asks if Vaping is allowed and is told Yes, then Go Right ahead and Vape. I think that is Great. Just use a Little Respect for those Around you and Everyone is Happy.

It is when people go Inside businesses and Don't Ask that there can be Problems. And can Turn People who had Very Little Opinion on e-Cigarettes into someone who Now Believes that Vaping should be Banned Everywhere.

Some people do Not Believe that Businesses should have the Right to Allow or Dis-Allow Vaping Inside their Buildings. I believe that they do.

 

[zoiDman]

LOL, the best you could do, which is quite telling, is a ban in a private business due to a "suspected" but not proven act of someone causing a fire due to vaping while using oxygen. I believe that most of us would not protest "stupid" vaping that could possibly cause harm.

Since that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, your statement that how people vape is causing bans across the country is as I stated, making statements that are not supported by reality.

OK, why don't you Post your Links showing that Vape-Everywhere is Stopping Bans from Occurring.

 

[zapped]

So back when vaping was banned nationwide in 2009, you are telling us it was because there were all these people vaping openly in stores and business and that is what initiated the nationwide ban?? Back when there were not even one person vaping every 500 square miles.

Vaping bans never have been and never will be about how people vape.

Vaping was never banned nationwide.

The FDA illegally seized some shipments and destroyed them putting smaller e-cig retailers out of business.

This was later ruled on by Judge Leon in N.Y who stated that the FDA was attempting to overextend their authority.

This was by no means a ban.

For every shipment that was seized 5 or more got through. Most of us vaping at the time were barely inconvenienced.

That had NOTHING to do with where people vaped to start with.

I dont clean my teeth, scratch my crotch, or pick my nose in the checkout line for risk of offending someone.

Same rules should apply to vapers.

A little common sense and courtesy goes a LONG way in life.

If im standing well away from someone enjoying a vape in public and someone wants to make a stink about it, thats another story.

Freedom HAS to be tempered with intelligence and respect for others...or youre just giving them cause to hate you and ammunition for them to use against you.

 

[AndriaD]

Although what he was doing was rather uncool .....

I am not so sure it was your place to say anything to him. Like you, I do not vape in places like that but plenty here do.
Just because it is our personal choice not to do so does not really mean we could or should tell others what they have to do.

I'm with you. I think it was more rude to accost him on the subject, than he was being by vaping in a public indoor place. And whoever said, yeah, he was being a nit, but people will judge him as being a nit, not vapers in general -- true. Some people are just a-holes. And some people just love to tell others what to do and how to behave. Both are offensive, IMO. I'm not wild about rude insensitive people, or control freaks, hall monitors, or guardians of my morals -- they're my own to worry about. If now and then I feel like being an ......... my own problem, and the consequences of that behavior, also my own to deal with.

The legal and governmental problems with e-cigs have not one iota to do with people being a-holes in public, and EVERYTHING to do with money, and anyone who thinks otherwise knows nothing about human nature and gov't in general.

Andria

 

[wv2win]

Vaping was never banned nationwide.

The FDA seized some shipments and destroyed them putting smaller e-cig retailers out of business.

This was later ruled on by Judge Leon in N.Y who stated that the FDA was attempting to overextend their authority.

This was by no means a ban.

For every shipment that was seized 5 more got through and this had NOTHING to do with where people vaped.

It was the first steps in the FDA's attempts to ban it nationwide by making it financially impossible to safely order vaping supplies. The end result, if not challenged would have been the same as a ban. Fortunately, NJOY and SE sued the FDA before they could get to the point that a larger number of both business and personal vaping shipments were confiscated.

 

[Asbestos4004]

I could swear I've read some posts from wv2win jumping on the " cloud chasers ruin vaping" ban wagon. Has that ever been proven yet? Any links pertaining to that theory?
Full disclosure- if it wasn't you, I apologize. I sometimes get you mixed up with a similar member.

 

[e-pipeman]

No. That Isn't where the Problem is.

If a person walks into a Business and Asks if Vaping is allowed and is told Yes, then Go Right ahead and Vape. I think that is Great. Just use a Little Respect for those Around you and Everyone is Happy.

It is when people go Inside businesses and Don't Ask that there can be Problems. And can Turn People who had Very Little Opinion on e-Cigarettes into someone who Now Believes that Vaping should be Banned Everywhere.

Some people do Not Believe that Businesses should have the Right to Allow or Dis-Allow Vaping Inside their Buildings. I believe that they do.

We're in agreement here, particularly in licensed premises. I think it would be very helpful if such premises had signs saying "Vaping encouraged here" or "Please - no e-cigarettes. Thank you". But failing that asking permission in a pub is still the right way to go imho.. Very often this leads to happy conversations where the landlord and bar staff show you what they vape.

 

[zoiDman]

We're in agreement here, particularly in licensed premises. I think it would be very helpful if such premises had signs saying "Vaping encouraged here" or "Please - no e-cigarettes. Thank you". But failing that asking permission in a pub is still the right way to go imho.. Very often this leads to happy conversations where the landlord and bar staff show you what they vape.

When people Ask and act Respectful, that is when Education about e-Cigarettes can occur.

But something like what the OP described in this Thread does Nothing to Help Us. It Only Turns People Away.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Now the op "accosted" the guy. Wow....remember that game called "telephone"? He TALKED to him.

 

[Jman8]

I know you would not have posted what you did Unless you had Links and Concrete Evidence that your Vape-Everywhere approach has somehow Stopped a Ban from happening, so you might as well go ahead and post your Links.

Our side (the vape everywhere with respect side) is not the side claiming a falsehood that says freely vaping in public leads to bans. You and others have made this claim, but have not backed this up. Hence, the reason that position is not taken with seriousness.

Here is a Very Tragic Story...

...that was shot down by moderator for the falsehood implied in the narrative of the article.

And here is a Very Interesting Perspective from a Business Owner who also happens to be an e-Cigarette User...

...that doesn't support public bans. Bar owner with high traffic, who feeds patrons copious amounts of alcohol and who then (when buzzed/drunk) vape openly with less inhibition and likely less respect.

As one who routinely advocates for vape everywhere, I never advocate (nor practice) that it be done in highly crowded areas. I would not vape in a highly crowded hospital space. But I will continue to vape in a hospital for in every hospital I've ever been in, there are dozens of spots where zero humans are around. So, that takes both of your examples and brings it back to the 'with respect' position. In a mildly crowded place, I would vape, and would choose to go with the 'vape like I belong there' perspective, which usually means I am vaping with respect and/or awareness of my surroundings. In a highly crowded place, I would not, unless I were somehow, magically stuck there for a long time. As that is so rare in my life experience, I am yet to vape in a highly crowded area, and yet I advocate / practice vaping everywhere, with respect.

I wonder how many Other businesses, with Non-Vaping Owners, have Banned e-Cigarettes Completely because of people like yourself who believe they should be able to Vape Anywhere they want?

This doesn't fit the example you provided.

You routinely leave off the "with respect" on the "vape everywhere" position, which makes it easy to call you out on the "shaming fellow vapers" claim.