DIY - Is it worth it in Canada?
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I've been looking high and look for a source. I found one but closed the page and lost it. I would love a pm with the details!
there's a thread for that, just look in the Sticky in the canadian forum.
as for the question is it worth it to DIY in canada, I'd say yes absolutely, my liquid cost me 9 cents per ml, that is 2.70$ for 30ml
as for the question is it worth it to DIY in canada, I'd say yes absolutely, my liquid cost me 9 cents per ml, that is 2.70$ for 30ml
To me, it's well worth dealing with someone domestic since (though rare by some accounts) the possibility of confiscation does in fact exist when ordering from the States, and my research didn't yield any significant savings. Using Hello World's example order above in comparing apples to apples, from among the most reputable suppliers on either side of the border:
From the U.S.
- 2 X 120ml Base 48mg PG USP: $21.90
- 2 X 1000ML Propylene Glycol USP: $37.50
- 1 X 1000ml Glycerine USP: $18.75
- Large Intl Priority Box (S&H): $67.20
From Canada
- 2 X 120ml Base 48mg PG USP: $47.70
- 2 X 1000ML Propylene Glycol USP: $57.50
- 1 X 1000ml Glycerine USP: $28.75
- Harmonized Sales Tax (13%): $17.41
It seems to me that what you'd save on the products by purchasing from the U.S., you'll end up paying on shipping anyway with the added potential of not receiving it successfully.
- My DIY recipes using Canadian supplies (with FREE shipping, and including HST) cost me, at most, $4.97 per 30ml if mixed at 18mg.*
- At prices an American would pay (assuming FREE shipping and no taxation), their cost would be about $3.69 per 30ml if mixed at 18mg.*
*Both examples assume juice that uses 15% flavouring (or "flavoring", depending on where you're from ;-) )
In fairness, even minus the freight and without taxes, I can't even imagine how anyone from the States can possibly be claiming a tenth of our cost. If it's true, I need to know where they're getting their supplies!
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Zurd, I'd love to know where you get your stuff too! Your 9 cents per ML is nearly half of my cost!
Unless you're vaping flavourless and low/no nic...
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Dang, shoulda've kept my calculations somewhere, I posted it months ago, will be too long to find it back so I'll just calculate it again. All prices in CAN and includes shipping if ordered on the internet.
33.05$ - 125ml of flavors from perfurmersapprentice.com
11.89$ - 500ml of PG at the pharmacy Jean Coutu
120.00$ - 500ml of PG @ 100mg from rtsvapes.com
20.72$ - 1000ml of VG from voyageursoapandcandle.com
I vape at 10mg, so it's 10% of PG @ 100mg with 44% PG, 38% VG and 8% flavor so :
100ml of nicotine is 24$
440ml of PG is 10.46$
380ml of VG is 7.87$
80ml of flavor is 21.15$
Total of 63.48$ for 1000ml of liquid so 0.064 cents per ml. Just 6 cents actually! Or 1.92$ per 30ml but when trying out flavors I ordered quite a bunch that I'm not going to use, I made lots of liquid that I just poured down the drain because I didn't like it, so it's much closer to 9 cents per ml. Or if vaping at 18mg it would cost higher. All in all, it's pretty cheap to DIY !
You could always buy your PG and/or VG, flavors and other ingredients and tools, utensils and such from US vendors to save money. s far as I can tell from the laws no of that would be confiscated and can be sold across the US/Canadian border. Then spend the extra and by the nicotine in Canada - that will increase your per ml cost but not a as much as it would if you bought all in Canada.
While saving money is one aspect of DIY, it may not be the main reason for doing so. I know some people that spend so much on ingredients that the per ml cost would be something no one else would pay but they want and enjoy that level of ingredients. To me that is like different cuts of meats - or even different brands - most are as satisfying and taste as good as others even if one is much cheaper. Now a days I can buy e-juice in flavors I could no make any better for not much more than I can make it for, and not have to take the time to make it, deal with the mess, security and safety of ingredients and everything else. Which is why, unless I absolutely get a flavor in my head I can't find anywhere, or I just want to have fun - - I no longer do much DIY.
Quick little computing tells me that if you got everything from the US and the nicotine from Canada in most cases you would save a decent amount of money with DIY.
Even if it does not really save anything there are lots of other reasons to DIY too. One, if you do it yourself you not exactly where the ingredients came from, how they were handled, measured, mixed, and the date certain they were made on and so forth. To many people that is important and why they make hamburgers at home rather then buy them from McDonald's.
Some people, and its true for me have a lot of fun with DIY e-juice. Some like the involvement of being very hands on experimenting, playing around with flavors and such. I think its like people who like to create cook/bake or sew clothing or mod their own deices - its hands on patr that they can really delve into the steps behind the finished product.
Also, with DIY e-juice you can make and have the quantities that are right for you. If you are one of those with an all day vape you can make your adv in larger quantities than you could buy them and neither have to order so often or make so often - or the reverse if you like it fresh from a steep but not a month old you can make stagger your mixing at two week intervals in the quantity you would us in two week so that the day you create a new batch is the day you open up the one from two weeks ago.
And what happens if you do have and do an ADV and that flavor stops being made or the only place you can get it any longer does not taste like it was from other places - DIY is the answer there.
The reverse is true too, if you don't have/want an ADV and are a vaper who likes many different flavors during a day making up a large amount of your PG/VG and nicotine base to then divide into smaller amounts to flavor as you want is sometime much better then tracking 10 orders from 10 vendors for 10 different flavors and hoping all will arrive on time and in close timing to each other so your palette does not end up with missing flavors.
Of course, if you get the idea of a flavor you want and its not out there it maybe that you can satisfy that urge by making your own - or in my case often find out that my brain just thought it would be a good combo because I could not find it rather than I could not find it because someone else tried and it did not work out
It comes down to individuals again, and their reason for wanting to try or stick with DIY may differ quite a bit and some may try it and not have it work well for them while others find out that for them its the only way to do e-juice.
I would actually think in Canada that DIY (and getting cheaper prices on anything you can get in the US) would almost be a 'have to' if your an avid vapor. From what I see, you can get e-juice with nic in it (although sometimes so hard to find many think you cannot) but it costs - because it either has to be produced there or it has a high internatio cost for import license into Canada and its expensive and takes a bunch of hoops that cost money to jump through to get it there. And that is all rolled onto the consumer. Also, if buying e-liquid with nicotine in it so that the only way to make sure and not custom officials end up with it you have to really look for a vendor, don't have as many options flavor wide (both how many different ones are produced and how they differ between suppliers) that you might not be finding what you really like, are waiting longer on stock, hitting more OOS problems and so on. DYI means you avoid all that. Want a certain flavor and its OOS everywhere but the one place you already know does not make it to your tastes and frustration sets in... better to be able to go decant the need ml's of a PG(/VG) and nicotine base you have previously made, add the amount of flavor to your taste and you have minimal frustration and your e-juice in your hand without dealing with OOS, artificially inflated prices, basically being at the mercy of a more limited market then you would have south of the border.
While saving money is one aspect of DIY, it may not be the main reason for doing so. I know some people that spend so much on ingredients that the per ml cost would be something no one else would pay but they want and enjoy that level of ingredients. To me that is like different cuts of meats - or even different brands - most are as satisfying and taste as good as others even if one is much cheaper. Now a days I can buy e-juice in flavors I could no make any better for not much more than I can make it for, and not have to take the time to make it, deal with the mess, security and safety of ingredients and everything else. Which is why, unless I absolutely get a flavor in my head I can't find anywhere, or I just want to have fun - - I no longer do much DIY.
Quick little computing tells me that if you got everything from the US and the nicotine from Canada in most cases you would save a decent amount of money with DIY.
Even if it does not really save anything there are lots of other reasons to DIY too. One, if you do it yourself you not exactly where the ingredients came from, how they were handled, measured, mixed, and the date certain they were made on and so forth. To many people that is important and why they make hamburgers at home rather then buy them from McDonald's.
Some people, and its true for me have a lot of fun with DIY e-juice. Some like the involvement of being very hands on experimenting, playing around with flavors and such. I think its like people who like to create cook/bake or sew clothing or mod their own deices - its hands on patr that they can really delve into the steps behind the finished product.
Also, with DIY e-juice you can make and have the quantities that are right for you. If you are one of those with an all day vape you can make your adv in larger quantities than you could buy them and neither have to order so often or make so often - or the reverse if you like it fresh from a steep but not a month old you can make stagger your mixing at two week intervals in the quantity you would us in two week so that the day you create a new batch is the day you open up the one from two weeks ago.
And what happens if you do have and do an ADV and that flavor stops being made or the only place you can get it any longer does not taste like it was from other places - DIY is the answer there.
The reverse is true too, if you don't have/want an ADV and are a vaper who likes many different flavors during a day making up a large amount of your PG/VG and nicotine base to then divide into smaller amounts to flavor as you want is sometime much better then tracking 10 orders from 10 vendors for 10 different flavors and hoping all will arrive on time and in close timing to each other so your palette does not end up with missing flavors.
Of course, if you get the idea of a flavor you want and its not out there it maybe that you can satisfy that urge by making your own - or in my case often find out that my brain just thought it would be a good combo because I could not find it rather than I could not find it because someone else tried and it did not work out
It comes down to individuals again, and their reason for wanting to try or stick with DIY may differ quite a bit and some may try it and not have it work well for them while others find out that for them its the only way to do e-juice.
I would actually think in Canada that DIY (and getting cheaper prices on anything you can get in the US) would almost be a 'have to' if your an avid vapor. From what I see, you can get e-juice with nic in it (although sometimes so hard to find many think you cannot) but it costs - because it either has to be produced there or it has a high internatio cost for import license into Canada and its expensive and takes a bunch of hoops that cost money to jump through to get it there. And that is all rolled onto the consumer. Also, if buying e-liquid with nicotine in it so that the only way to make sure and not custom officials end up with it you have to really look for a vendor, don't have as many options flavor wide (both how many different ones are produced and how they differ between suppliers) that you might not be finding what you really like, are waiting longer on stock, hitting more OOS problems and so on. DYI means you avoid all that. Want a certain flavor and its OOS everywhere but the one place you already know does not make it to your tastes and frustration sets in... better to be able to go decant the need ml's of a PG(/VG) and nicotine base you have previously made, add the amount of flavor to your taste and you have minimal frustration and your e-juice in your hand without dealing with OOS, artificially inflated prices, basically being at the mercy of a more limited market then you would have south of the border.
never seen one in quebec, but my god, what would I do with a gallon of PG, there's an expiration date on it !
Where I go to buy it, 500ml of PG for 12$ still last me like 4 months, only need to walk 10 minutes to go there too, no shipping, it's a pretty good deal even if 20$ for a gallon is wayyy cheaper never seen one in quebec, but my god, what would I do with a gallon of PG, there's an expiration date on it !
Why, you chain vape, of course!
You can also freeze PG. Transfer it to manageable containers, and toss 'em in the freezer. Same with your nic base.
never seen one in quebec, but my god, what would I do with a gallon of PG, there's an expiration date on it !
PG is good for 5 years from date of manufacture as per the expiration date on mine. Put it in the freezer and I think it would be good for at least double that.
What's the story in Canada? I heard your health control or some kind of health organization took it upon themselves to tell customs to confiscate nic liquid even tho there isn't a law against it. Is that true?
Yup, that pretty much sums it up, you have the FDA and we have HC (Health Canada), most of what people order goes through customs just fine though, I don't personally see this as a problem as it is very rare, never happened to me. Check this for more info :
Electronic cigarette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yup! Both bought and paid for by big pharma and looking out for our best interest if BP ok's it.
Can I get this list PM'd as well? I LOVE MLV's flavours but I can't stomach paying more than $10 for a 30ml bottle... I'm a DIY kinda guy I wanna get into this too!
Our laws depending on interpretation does not allow us to import nicotine. So I buy most of my nic locally ergo I'm not importing and not breaking any laws, it's ok to Vape Nicotene as HC only recommends that we don't use ecigs. Plus we have a free trade agreement with the USA.
There's a good legal interpretation of our law on this matter on a Vape site main page Rainbow Vape.com it's also posted in the Canada forum somewhere.
Zurd,
Is perfurmersapprentice.com the correct address? I have been looking for a canadian flavor supplier but cannot access this site. Thanks
Is perfurmersapprentice.com the correct address? I have been looking for a canadian flavor supplier but cannot access this site. Thanks
it is correct, I can access it just fine, they do sell to us, canadians, just need to call 'em on the phone to make your order with a CC
Thanks Zurd,
I got in on their site. I really do not know what to order! Some of the products is for perfume etc... Which one is for e-cig dyo juices is it molecules for tobacco?
I got in on their site. I really do not know what to order! Some of the products is for perfume etc... Which one is for e-cig dyo juices is it molecules for tobacco?
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