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Jdurand

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I notice a lot of people posting here curious about getting into DIY. Some of the explanations and advice they receive is very simple and encouraging. Some I feel scares away the less adventurous types. In reading all the responses, I've noticed something. There are just as many styles of DIY as there are vaping styles.

There are those that are meticulous in their mixes. measuring flavorings and other ingredients to the 100th of a gram. They will say anything less will yield unacceptable results. They document every little aspect of the mixing process and steep times, etc. I liken these folks to those builders who insist that a double twisted, bleeding lion, claptoned, dual parallel, stapled coil coming in at .01 OHM is the only way to get a satisfying vape! lol

Then there are those who follow recipes as best they can, are willing to sub one companies flavorings for another and are satisfied with just something that tastes good and was easy and cheap to make. Some of these will never mix anything but a pre-determined recipe.

Of course there is also the "pinch of this dash of that" type of person. Sometimes by sheer luck they will come up with a great flavor that can never be reproduced, but they had fun doing it and that is all that matters to them.

My point to all this? Well, if you want to get into DIY, just do it. It isn't rocket science, unless you want it to be. I found the easiest way in was to find a clone recipe of juice you know you like. buy the flavors needed for that one or two juices first. You need the VG, PG and Nic regardless. Grab a couple syringes in 10 and 1 ML sizes and a few bottles for mixing and steeping. I would also buy all my first run of supplies in the smallest quantities I could. That alone will save a ton of "experimental" cash. When you decide that you know what you use more of, then buy them in larger quantities. There are scads of links to buy the staples like VG and PG throughout this sub-forum. Do some reading and get up and go.
 

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I notice a lot of people posting here curious about getting into DIY. Some of the explanations and advice they receive is very simple and encouraging. Some I feel scares away the less adventurous types. In reading all the responses, I've noticed something. There are just as many styles of DIY as there are vaping styles.

There are those that are meticulous in their mixes. measuring flavorings and other ingredients to the 100th of a gram. They will say anything less will yield unacceptable results. They document every little aspect of the mixing process and steep times, etc. I liken these folks to those builders who insist that a double twisted, bleeding lion, claptoned, dual parallel, stapled coil coming in at .01 OHM is the only way to get a satisfying vape! lol

Then there are those who follow recipes as best they can, are willing to sub one companies flavorings for another and are satisfied with just something that tastes good and was easy and cheap to make. Some of these will never mix anything but a pre-determined recipe.

Of course there is also the "pinch of this dash of that" type of person. Sometimes by sheer luck they will come up with a great flavor that can never be reproduced, but they had fun doing it and that is all that matters to them.

My point to all this? Well, if you want to get into DIY, just do it. It isn't rocket science, unless you want it to be. I found the easiest way in was to find a clone recipe of juice you know you like. Buy the flavors needed for that one or two juices first. You need the VG, PG and Nic regardless. Grab a couple syringes in 10 and 1 ML sizes and a few bottles for mixing and steeping. I would also buy all my first run of supplies in the smallest quantities I could. That alone will save a ton of "experimental" cash. When you decide that you know what you use more of, then buy them in larger quantities. There are scads of links to buy the staples like VG and PG throughout this sub-forum. Do some reading and get up and go.

Very Well put Jdurand.

I'm Definitely not a "Add a Dash of This" and "Two Squirts of That" type DIY-er. And do keep Detailed Records of ALL my recipes.

But I learned a Long Time Ago that I can measure at a Much Greater Accuracy that I can Taste. So I don't attempt to Measure down on the bleeding edge of what is Possible. Because (for Me) there just is No Need to do so to make Batches that Taste the Same from Batch to Batch.

I think the Key Point is DIY can be as Simple or as Complex as you want to Make It.
 

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I notice a lot of people posting here curious about getting into DIY. Some of the explanations and advice they receive is very simple and encouraging. Some I feel scares away the less adventurous types. In reading all the responses, I've noticed something. There are just as many styles of DIY as there are vaping styles.

There are those that are meticulous in their mixes. measuring flavorings and other ingredients to the 100th of a gram. They will say anything less will yield unacceptable results. They document every little aspect of the mixing process and steep times, etc. I liken these folks to those builders who insist that a double twisted, bleeding lion, claptoned, dual parallel, stapled coil coming in at .01 OHM is the only way to get a satisfying vape! lol

Then there are those who follow recipes as best they can, are willing to sub one companies flavorings for another and are satisfied with just something that tastes good and was easy and cheap to make. Some of these will never mix anything but a pre-determined recipe.

Of course there is also the "pinch of this dash of that" type of person. Sometimes by sheer luck they will come up with a great flavor that can never be reproduced, but they had fun doing it and that is all that matters to them.

My point to all this? Well, if you want to get into DIY, just do it. It isn't rocket science, unless you want it to be. I found the easiest way in was to find a clone recipe of juice you know you like. Buy the flavors needed for that one or two juices first. You need the VG, PG and Nic regardless. Grab a couple syringes in 10 and 1 ML sizes and a few bottles for mixing and steeping. I would also buy all my first run of supplies in the smallest quantities I could. That alone will save a ton of "experimental" cash. When you decide that you know what you use more of, then buy them in larger quantities. There are scads of links to buy the staples like VG and PG throughout this sub-forum. Do some reading and get up and go.

Very well put. The bottom line is It's all nothing more then common sense. And to Quote you "Just do it" is as good as it gets. The new DIY'er will develop there own method that works for them.

I have done everything you mentioned and have not stuck to a set plan. I have followed procedure to the letter, Have done it by drops, ml and percentages and even often do a little of this and a pinch of that. I do keep notes so I can reproduce a good recipe. It's OK to try different things even if it is a bit out there after all it's not rocket science.
 
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Yea, I'm one of those, just throw it together and vape it kinda diy'er. I don't even measure the VG I put in it I just squirt it in hehe

And there is nothing wrong with that at all. My only caution, is if you use nic, just be pretty accurate with your measurements and "careful" when you handle it. Other than that.........
 

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I have a degree in math and science, my mother was a medical lab tech her entire life and my best friend and first vaping buddy has a masters in organic chem. To me there is only one way, the right way! But that is for me, if dropping some flavors in to your clearo and squeezing in some vg works for you then by all means that is what you should do because it works for you. Your doing it wrong, but that is ok because it works for you :p
 

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I have a degree in math and science, my mother was a medical lab tech her entire life and my best friend and first vaping buddy has a masters in organic chem. To me there is only one way, the right way! But that is for me, if dropping some flavors in to your clearo and squeezing in some vg works for you then by all means that is what you should do because it works for you. Your doing it wrong, but that is ok because it works for you :p


Snob! lol
 

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And there is nothing wrong with that at all. My only caution, is if you use nic, just be pretty accurate with your measurements and "careful" when you handle it. Other than that.........

Not a truer word has been spoken:) Always measure out your NIC with caution even if your a fly by the seat of your pants flavor adder.
 

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I have a degree in math and science, my mother was a medical lab tech her entire life and my best friend and first vaping buddy has a masters in organic chem. To me there is only one way, the right way! But that is for me, if dropping some flavors in to your clearo and squeezing in some vg works for you then by all means that is what you should do because it works for you. Your doing it wrong, but that is ok because it works for you :p

Oh come on Capt don't tell me you never got lazy and said maybe just a small drop or 2 more of flaver should do it:)
 

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I started out very meticulous, sweating over exact specific gravities, measuring everything very carefully, etc. It got boring very fast. I just want to mix my own liquid, not work in a lab.

Now I mix my base VG/PG/Nic ahead of time. Repeating that same VG/PG/nic step every time was a huge part of the tedium (and wasted a lot of pipettes!). That part I do carefully, exactly by the numbers, 250 ml at a time. I will pre-mix larger batches when I get a higher capacity scale. The flavors are what interests me, not the stupid base! Now I just reach for the pre-mix bottle and I'm in flavor nirvana.

For flavor testing, I use the same 5 ml base + whatever % of whatever flavor I'm testing. I test at either 5 or 10 %, using the 1 ml = 1 gram formula because I can calculate it in my head. I don't care if I don't end up with exactly 5 mls (or whatever amount I'm mixing). If I decide I want to add other flavors to a test, I just do it using the same 1 g = 1 ml constant and write down what I added. How much to add??? I guestimate!

From there I use my calc for multi-flavor mixes, using the %-ages gleaned from my tests. I still start with small 5 ml test batches, especially if I'm mixing someone else's recipe. It's rare that I use someone else's recipe exactly as they intended. I always end up bumping something or other up or down "just a bit". Kind of my way of making it my own. I always note what I changed on the recipe sheet. That way I can duplicate or reverse it in the next batch, as I see fit.

That's how it's enjoyable for me, but I totally understand how others might find it fun to be meticulous, and that's ok!
 

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Oh come on Capt don't tell me you never got lazy and said maybe just a small drop or 2 more of flaver should do it:)

Not without annotating it :)

I do mix right in to my big ole cloud blower tank though. I don't use nic. in it so I just drop in some flavors and squeeze in some vg and that is fine for me. I don't blow clouds often and can hardly taste my juice (at least not properly) when I do so just throwing it in there woks for me for that.
 

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There have been so many times that I've done an ADV by the book making 120ml's of it and after a few weeks and half the bottle gone I decided I want to change it up. Many of those times I resort to fly my the seat of my pants mixing and say maybe a little of this would be nice. Now being that I've been at this a while I know what amounts will spoil a mix so I know how much to add without measuring a thing so I will squirt a small amount to change up the mix and be happy with my results and vape away and move on to the next adventure knowing I'll never reproduce it but don't really care. If I did I would have logged the change. But this takes experience and for the new mixer I don't recommend it until you get more experience under your belt. For the new mixer it's important to keep notes and track of amounts no matter what method you use.
 
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This thread is working out really cool. All of those I've been reading posts in the DIY blogs and threads, learning all the way. Thanks to all of you for your help and insight.

Turns out those I thought would be the scientists can be whimsical and those that I figured were the throw it together types are the meticulous ones.

Hmmmm, guess you never know till you ask huh?
 

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I've been DIY for just over a year now. I vaped enough crappy flavors, juices and combos of commercial juice to know what not to buy as flavorings. KISS method is the way to go along with scaling rather than syringes(you'll figure that out on your own). I had no need to make others formulas, too busy making my own concoctions of tobacco blends.
Once you get going and start weaning yourself off commercial juice you'll find your DIY juice much superior in all aspects. A magnetic mixer I built from youtube and some stirbars is a great mixing tool, thoroughly mixes 200mls just fine. If you do use a whisk or frother style mixing tool then don't add your nic until your done mixing it and it has time to settle down and dissipate all the air bubbles then add the nic and a good shake after that then onto the shelf.
Best part of DIY is that I did a bit of calculating a while back and came up with that I'm making my wife's HS desert ship/cotton candy 3nic blend for $4.95 for 200mls, thats just over 2 cents a ml vs that I was paying 25 bucks for 200mls on sale, then be shipped. She vapes 40-60mls a week in her subtank and no worries bout juice supply.
 

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But that is for me, if dropping some flavors in to your clearo and squeezing in some vg works for you then by all means that is what you should do because it works for you. Your doing it wrong, but that is ok because it works for you :p

Squeezing in VG is actually more accurate then it sounds. I use to measure everything so I know how much the 30ml bottle comes up to when filled. So I just add all other ingredients first then squeeze in the VG to where it should be. Beats having to suck it up with a syringe, especially since my mix is 80% VG
 
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