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[zahzoo]

Some people have perfect math but make goat piss juice. I think touch and feel is more imprtant than .... dead nuts math...just one man's oPINEion

I was thinking about the same thing but from a cooking perspective...

I add a pinch of salt... which to me is about as much as my index, middle finger and thumb can grab at a pop. For some folks they need a half teaspoon measuring spoon... then there's the few that have to extrapolate the average grain size of table salt and only add 423.5 granules to constitute my pinch... In the end... it's still spaghetti sauce... Mine tastes better!!

 

[Strangebrew]

Calculations in a program should be accurate. Error should lay in the user, supplies, and/or the equipment only.

The speed of light has been determined as has the speed of sound, with accuracy.

I'm currently working on the speed of smell...
Here it comes! Smell it yet?

 

[clh2121]

I still think the basic one is fine, but I can see the benefit of an advanced one. Kind of the difference between a basic calculator and a scientific one.

 

[zoiDman]

Calculations in a program should be accurate. Error should lay in the user, supplies, and/or the equipment only.

The speed of light has been determined as has the speed of sound, with accuracy.

I'm currently working on the speed of smell...
Here it comes! Smell it yet?

Yeah... But the Speed of Sound Varies as Sound Waves Prorogate thru Different Mediums.

Think of Including the Volume of the Nicotine as Sound thru Water. And they way Everyone else is doing it as Sound thru Air.

 

[Strangebrew]

NB = % volume of Nicotine within the Base.
PGB = % volume of PG within the Base.
VGB = % volume of VG within the Base.

Base Nicotine Required = Target ml. / (Base mg. / Target mg.)

A = {Amount of Nicotine within the Base Nicotine Required.}
NB * Base Nicotine Required
B = {Amount of PG within the Base Nicotine Required.}
PGB * Base Nicotine Required
C = {Amount of VG within the Base Nicotine Required.}
VGB * Base Nicotine Required

[Note: ”A” will not be converted into the PG % / VG %.] Many programs do convert the nicotine into a PG%/VG%.

PG Required = (Target ml. - A) * Target PG % - B
VG Required = (Target ml. - A) * Target VG % - C

Example:

NB = .06 {60 mg.}
PGB = .47 {50% PG}
VGB = .47 {50% VG}

Target Nicotine = 18 mg.
Target PG% = 70%
Target VG% = 30%
Target ml. = 50 ml.

Base Nicotine Required = 15.0 ml.

A = 0.90
B = 7.05
C = 7.05

PG Required = 27.32 ml.
VG Required = 7.68 ml.

 

[Spazzer]

PG Required = 27.32 ml.
VG Required = 7.68 ml.

The calculator I use calculates this mix as 27.50ml of VG and 7.5ml of PG. That's a difference of .18ml in a 50ml batch which is 0.36%!
This is insignificant and probably with the margin of error of most peoples mixing.

Sorry, but IMHO you're over thinking this and it's a waste of time and effort!

 

[Just Me]

And all this is fuel for those in power who want to regulate all this stuff, IMO.

 

[Boletus]

Did you know that if you buy gasoline from a dispenser equipped with a vapor recovery nozzle, you are being charged for the amount of fuel being pumped from the gas station's tank, but the fraction that volatilizes between the station's tank and your vehicle's tank is returned to the station's tank?

So, yes, you could go into the store and try to browbeat the attendant into giving you a refund for the amount not actually received, but of course you will need to include in your calculations the $0.001 that retailers subtract from their prices to make the cost seem less, as well as the temperature and pressure of the fuel and the exact formulation of the fuel to get the right vapor pressure under those conditions.

After a few years of educating the attendant about stoichiometry, thermodynamics, and organic chemistry, you might convince him or her that the gas station owes you a fraction of a cent. If he or she is feeling generous, you might get a full penny from the penny cup (congratulations, you foxy devil). Or you could just assume that the vapor would have been lost to the atmosphere without the nozzle boot, and that it is preferable to put it back into the tank for reasons that have nothing to do with the price of gasoline.

 

[zoiDman]

And all this is fuel for those in power who want to regulate all this stuff, IMO.

I think the Regulations were going to come Anyway.

But Any Inconsistencies in the way e-Liquids are Marketed or Label surely can Not Help.

 

[Just Me]

I remember way back in about 1980 when there was a big stir about the FDA regulating vitamins. People were mumbling about vitamins being taken off the market, etc. I wasn't really interested enough to dig into the details then, but apparently it worked out. I just think the regulations state something to the effect that what's on the label had better be what's in the bottle. And vitamin and other supplement labels include a disclaimer that "These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease." http://www.fda.gov/Food/Dietarysupplements/default.htm

If they would just do something similar to that, I'm good. With the billions of bucks fighting this, though, I've got a feeling we will be taxed out the wahoo at the very least.

 

[zoiDman]

Did you know that if you buy gasoline from a dispenser equipped with a vapor recovery nozzle, you are being charged for the amount of fuel being pumped from the gas station's tank, but the fraction that volatilizes between the station's tank and your vehicle's tank is returned to the station's tank?

So, yes, you could go into the store and try to browbeat the attendant into giving you a refund for the amount not actually received, but of course you will need to include in your calculations the $0.001 that retailers subtract from their prices to make the cost seem less, as well as the temperature and pressure of the fuel and the exact formulation of the fuel to get the right vapor pressure under those conditions.

After a few years of educating the attendant about stoichiometry, thermodynamics, and organic chemistry, you might convince him or her that the gas station owes you a fraction of a cent. If he or she is feeling generous, you might get a full penny from the penny cup (congratulations, you foxy devil). Or you could just assume that the vapor would have been lost to the atmosphere without the nozzle boot, and that it is preferable to put it back into the tank for reasons that have nothing to do with the price of gasoline.

My Uncle in Oregon is an Ardent believer that you should ONLY buy Gasoline in the Mourning. Because he feels that during the Heat of the Day that Gasoline Expands so you Get Less.

I sat down once while I was Vacationing and Did the Numbers showing what an Incredibly Small amount of Difference there Actually was on a Given Day.

He just Smiled and Told me... "That's what they Want you to Believe."

LOL

 

[zoiDman]

...

If they would just do something similar to that, I'm good. With the billions of bucks fighting this, though, I've got a feeling we will be taxed out the wahoo at the very least.

Yeah... Labeling like you Mentioned would be of Very Little consequence to Vaper's. And if that was All the FDA was after, there would be no Real Concern.

But I don't see where those Billion of Dollars you said are coming from?

Seems BT is the Only one with that kind of Money. And they Welcome the Coming Regulations because they Benefit from them the Most.

 

[Boletus]

My Uncle in Oregon is an Ardent believer that you should ONLY buy Gasoline in the Mourning. Because he feels that during the Heat of the Day that Gasoline Expands so you Get Less.

I sat down once while I was Vacationing and Did the Numbers showing what an Incredibly Small amount of Difference there Actually was on a Given Day.

He just Smiled and Told me... "That's what they Want you to Believe."

LOL

Cooler temps will also reduce volatilization, so on top of the liquid expansion, maybe you save a whole $0.007 by buying gas in the morning. My grandfather would be all over that if he was still around; he taught me the fine art of trash-picking when I was a kid, and he used to argue about rounding errors on cheese prices with clerks at the grocery store, in the days before calculators. Sometimes they would give him 10 cents off just to make him go away, which was always a major victory for him.

[edit] OK, so I am waaay off topic now, but if there ever was a thread that deserved it, this is the one.

 

[Strangebrew]

The calculator I use calculates this mix as 27.50ml of VG and 7.5ml of PG. That's a difference of .18ml in a 50ml batch which is 0.36%!
This is insignificant and probably with the margin of error of most peoples mixing.

Sorry, but IMHO you're over thinking this and it's a waste of time and effort!

Isn't a matter of if it's trivial or not! Was only expecting to emphasize the correct method.

 

[GMayberry]

How about this.... Once you have your exact hair-splitting numbers correct, what about the volume of the blunt tips you are using?? I mean, the flavor ones are so skinny, and the ones we use for VG are so much larger. What do we do now?

 

[zoiDman]

How about this.... Once you have your exact hair-splitting numbers correct, what about the volume of the blunt tips you are using?? I mean, the flavor ones are so skinny, and the ones we use for VG are so much larger. What do we do now?

There is Also what side of the Demarcation Line you should be on?

The Left of the Line. The Right of the Line. Or Maybe you should be Right in the Middle?

 

[GMayberry]

There is Also what side of the Demarcation Line you should be on?

The Left of the Line. The Right of the Line. Or Maybe you should be Right in the Middle?

Not to mention, some of the rubber stoppers in the syringes seem to have more of a "peak" than others. We need to figure those out too!!

 

[zoiDman]

Not to mention, some of the rubber stoppers in the syringes seem to have more of a "peak" than others. We need to figure those out too!!

Yeah...

BTW - Not to Throw any more Gasoline on the Fire.

But if you Want a "Accurate" amount with a Syringe regardless of Needle Size, this is what you Do.

You Want 1ml

So you Draw 1.6ml

You Purge the Syringe Until you have 1.5ml

Then you Dispense until you get to .5ml

Then you Stop and wonder why Your Not Using a Scale?

 

[GMayberry]

Scales!! Yes!! We need to use scales now! Just tare once you have the bottle on the.... wait.... how accurate is the tare button???

 

[cbabbman]

here's my thoughts on this...

1) this entire thread could have been condensed down to about 1 page if the points were made and substantiated concisely rather than in some kind of weird jr. high version of 20 questions.

2) I am not knocking the premise of the thread nor the opinion of the original poster... only the manner that is was presented

3) I am a stickler for details as well as complete accuracy in my juice calculator program. Does that help me be more accurate? Of course, but the fact that I am human means that I will NEVER be able to hit the amounts with the exacting accuracy that the programs could provide. And even if I could, it wouldn't make much difference in the overall scheme of things as I am incapable of telling the difference of things that small..

4) Only 1 person mentioned the inaccuracy of syringe measuring. No one even talked about drops... lol

5) Within my 1st week of doing DIY, I realized that screwing around with eyeballing things in syringes wasn't for me and that drops are completely inaccurate as a measuring tool.

6) Fortunately I realized that I could weigh this stuff and completely make DIY more enjoyable for me and far more consistent (i didn't say 100% accurate) in all my mixing with far less tools, in far less time...

So I commend the OP for bringing this up... but like others have said, outside of my own want of precision... does it really matter? For me as a maker of my own juices... no...