DNA 200 Watt

[USMCotaku]

That liability is only covered if detailed instructions are included and very clear disclosures, handling precautions and the potential catastrophic dangers when using 3S lipos.

And I'm not gonna even get into the printed plastic boxes, cuz that's just crazy IMO. But there as well, liabilities are gonna fall on the designers of the plastic enclosures.

A company that sells parts of liable for faulty parts, not user error, though I'm sure a full legallese disclaimer will be included with the kit.
If you buy a chainsaw chain, and it flies off, injuring you.... Who is liable? If a shoddy link caused it, they are.. If you installed it wrong, you are.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

A company that sells parts of liable for faulty parts, not user error, though I'm sure a full legallese disclaimer will be included with the kit.
If you buy a chainsaw chain, and it flies off, injuring you.... Who is liable? If a shoddy link caused it, they are.. If you installed it wrong, you are.

Even with full disclosures, you can still be held responsible. Under product liability law, the failure to provide reasonable safety protections can itself be negligence.

Chainsaw link vs. High-output DIY kit Vaporizer?

Mmmmm, no.

DIY RC device vs. High-output DIY kit Vaporizer

Much closer...

Go onto to YouTube and watch all of the catastrophic battery failure videos in RC applications....and those guy all know what they're doing.

Imagine someone NOT knowing what they're doing...

 

[Mooch]

Even with full disclosures, you can still be held responsible. Under product liability law, the failure to provide reasonable safety protections can itself be negligence.

Aha, thanks!
Probably just a lot easier to release a kit instead of setting up a new assembly line then. Or not worth competing with the clones on price.

 

[SavePaperVapor]

Man. I just wish vapor shark would start selling theirs. the suspense is killing me.

 

[Cotay]

Just speculating, but...It allows for limited liability in case of a problem. If they sell finished products then all the liability for damage (or heaven forbid, injury) is on them. If something happens with a kit all they have to do is replace some components. The assembler takes in all the responsibility for anything bad that happens. Not indicting Evolv here, just bringing up an "advantage" to offering only kits. I agree though, it opens up a whole new level of trouble with inexperienced builders and/or those who don't understand battery safety.

They also don't have to source and test all those extra components, set up an assembly line and QC stations, buy packaging materials, etc. Hard to compete on pricing too with completed mods.

I doubt any potential liability is the issue. I'm more inclined to believe that Evolv simply isn't interested in hiring people and dedicating factory space to assemble the mods. I'd also bet that many of their largest mod partners wouldn't be too happy that they would be competing with them directly with a finished product. One might argue that YiHi did it, but the SX350J was not originally intended to be anything other than a showcase for YiHi technology and it wasn't made available to the big Chinese manufacturers.

 

[USMCotaku]

Chainsaw link vs. High-output DIY kit Vaporizer?

Mmmmm, no.

DIY RC Device vs. High-output DIY kit Vaporizer

Much closer...

Go onto to YouTube and watch all of the catastrophic battery failure videos in RC applications....and those guy all know what they're doing.

Imagine someone NOT knowing what they're doing...

I wasn't speaking from a probability of danger, just liability for possibility of danger.... But to play that game, look up er records of chainsaw accidents.........

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

I wasn't speaking from a probability of danger, just liability for possibility of danger.... But to play that game, look up er records of chainsaw accidents.........

Okay, well try it your way then...

Inexperienced builder =

 

[Rucerius]

Man. I just wish vapor shark would start selling theirs. the suspense is killing me.

I'm actually surprised they posted the image of the VS DNA200 considering they're phasing out the DNA40 box design.

 

[SavePaperVapor]

I'm actually surprised they posted the image of the VS DNA200 considering they're phasing out the DNA40 box design.

Gotta be coming soon. They should look into cerekote

 

[KTMRider]

They're not phasing out their box design.

 

[BlueridgeDog]

I can drop an IMR on the ground and not even think twice about it being safe to use, but a lipo? Eh-eh....

I have dropped Lipos, slammed them into the ground at 75mph and charged them at ridiculous rates. I have been around thousands of them in rough RC airplane use (drain at near max rate, charge fast, slam into the earth, rinse and repeat five times in a day), or worse rough off-road rc use. Generally they are pretty solid. Back in the early 2000's we were hacking up computer power supplies to make chargers. That and the fact that we are all carrying one around in our pocket at the moment make them ready for prime time in other devices. If you will treat your mod generally like your cell phone, you should be ok. I still open beers with my lipo mod and occasionally with my cell phone. Just like cell phones, in a few years you won't be able to buy a non-lipo vape rig and people will simply enjoy them.

Seriously....we are on the J curve of this, we will look back and laugh at the day when we built them or even cared what was in them...and it will be sooner than you can imagine. Shortly they will be like cell phones.

 

[BlueridgeDog]

Imagine someone NOT knowing what they're doing...

Now that is a good point. You do not want to start working with high capacity lipos and have no clue. I have seen folks that did not know what they are doing do some really BAD things over the years with them.

 

[retird]

Good source...... Posted hundreds of times in ECF....

Battery Information Table of Contents, Basic to Advanced

 

[AtmizrOpin]

Anyone else just get an email from Vaporshark about this new Hana One mod? Apparently it has removable battery trays for either single or dual 18650. And it's super lite weight.

 

[KTMRider]

Anyone else just get an email from Vaporshark about this new Hana One mod? Apparently it has removable battery trays for either single or dual 18650. And it's super lite weight.

It's been discussed on a few Hana threads. I was surprised that VS is carrying it now (got the email too). VS is turning more into a retailer than a mod maker/designer. Good to see they're expanding.

 

[AtmizrOpin]

It's been discussed on a few Hana threads. I was surprised that VS is carrying it now (got the email too). VS is turning more into a retailer than a mod maker/designer. Good to see they're expanding.

I just wanna see the DNA 200 up on their site for pre-order already! Neat lookin Hana box tho.

 

[retird]

The Opus 200 pre-order already sold out first production run...

 

[SavePaperVapor]

It's been discussed on a few Hana threads. I was surprised that VS is carrying it now (got the email too). VS is turning more into a retailer than a mod maker/designer. Good to see they're expanding.

Vapor shark was actually a retailer before their mods so it isn't too surprising I guess. Money is money and they still make it either way.

 

[KTMRider]

Vapor shark was actually a retailer before their mods so it isn't too surprising I guess. Money is money and they still make it either way.

Other than the cheap starter kits, they only sold the DNA line for a long time. Only recently have they started selling other products (desirable higher end products). I'm not complaining because I think it's awesome. Despite what others might say, I've had great experiences with them with both buying online, retail and customer service.

 

[druckle]

I have dropped Lipos, slammed them into the ground at 75mph and charged them at ridiculous rates. I have been around thousands of them in rough RC airplane use (drain at near max rate, charge fast, slam into the earth, rinse and repeat five times in a day), or worse rough off-road rc use. Generally they are pretty solid. Back in the early 2000's we were hacking up computer power supplies to make chargers. That and the fact that we are all carrying one around in our pocket at the moment make them ready for prime time in other devices. If you will treat your mod generally like your cell phone, you should be ok. I still open beers with my lipo mod and occasionally with my cell phone. Just like cell phones, in a few years you won't be able to buy a non-lipo vape rig and people will simply enjoy them.

Seriously....we are on the J curve of this, we will look back and laugh at the day when we built them or even cared what was in them...and it will be sooner than you can imagine. Shortly they will be like cell phones.

So all vaping gear will return to it's roots and everything will be disposable when the battery is used up sort of like cig-a-likes?