DNA 200 Watt

[dr g]

Because there's insufficient air to sustain combustion in a closed atomizer, right?

I'd agree.

Right up until the point where someone does a hearty direct lung pull through one of the ridiculously airy atties that so many people use today. Now there's whole lotta airflow that will sustain combustion at least until the vaper realizes what's going on and stops pulling. No, I'm not gonna be the one to test this theory, I'm strictly MTL.

Still doesn't happen.

It's really about relative power. we were just as able to overpower old small wire setups because they had small wicks and low juice volume. but in the end the liquid has to get vaporized, hot, and have lots of air around to sustain a flame, and that only happens when you have the atomizer open in still air.

 

[Jazzman]

For years I've watched mech users pull the cap on their RDA and hit the fire button until the wick catches on fire and burn off the excess juice so they can change flavors. Nothing new here. It will just happen quicker with a true 200watts.

 

[soulseek]

For years I've watched mech users pull the cap on their RDA and hit the fire button until the wick catches on fire and burn off the excess juice so they can change flavors. Nothing new here. It will just happen quicker with a true 200watts.

I hope you realise this is bad practice. In any case, everyone admitted in the video that vaping even at 80W was too warm, 200W is just silly. Manufacturers should say no to stupidity, before some regulating body does it for them.

 

[dr g]

I hope you realise this is bad practice. In any case, everyone admitted in the video that vaping even at 80W was too warm, 200W is just silly. Manufacturers should say no to stupidity, before some regulating body does it for them.

That video featured several individuals who have very little experience with the device and have not thought their comments through.

Their comments were also lacking much context, and anyone who really understands things should know that their comments are nearly meaningless without a lot more information.

 

[Mad Scientist]

I hope you realise this is bad practice. In any case, everyone admitted in the video that vaping even at 80W was too warm, 200W is just silly. Manufacturers should say no to stupidity, before some regulating body does it for them.

I have to disagree with you there. 15 watts used to be around twice what was practical to actually vape enjoyably. Then 20 on tap was the showstopper. Even with present day attys, the idea of instant ramp up and a short pull for a lung full of vape is appealing. 200 watts should do the trick for now. The attys of tomorrow haven't been invented yet but the trend is pretty clear -- more power has been needed to improve the experience.

 

[Heespharm]

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[druckle]

That video featured several individuals who have very little experience with the device and have not thought their comments through.

Yes you are right, and they admitted that they had very little experience with the device. I appreciated that. They also claimed to be beta testers and might have broken their non disclosure agreement by their admission. (If Evolv has forbidden beta testers to disclose the length of the beta testers time with the device as implied here).

Duane

 

[Jazzman]

I hope you realise this is bad practice. In any case, everyone admitted in the video that vaping even at 80W was too warm, 200W is just silly. Manufacturers should say no to stupidity, before some regulating body does it for them.

I'm not condemning or condoning the practice. I was just saying that this has been going on for years, purposefully, even with a simple mech mod with 1 18650 battery. But oddly enough, the fire never happened with the cap on and actually vaping taking place and air moving across the coil.

I do agree with Dr G though (FFS, I can't believe I just said that ). At 200 watts caution should be observed. But there's really nothing new in that either since have been other 200w mods like the Snow Wolf, Variant, and SMY also push the 200watt barrier. Although I think some folks will see a real 200Watts for the first time with the DNA200.

 

[Visus]

Still doesn't happen.

It's really about relative power. we were just as able to overpower old small wire setups because they had small wicks and low juice volume. but in the end the liquid has to get vaporized, hot, and have lots of air around to sustain a flame, and that only happens when you have the atomizer open in still air

Right up until the point where someone does a hearty direct lung pull through one of the ridiculously airy atties that so many people use today. Now there's whole lotta airflow that will sustain combustion at least until the vaper realizes what's going on and stops pulling. No, I'm not gonna be the one to test this theory, I'm strictly MTL.
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It most certainly does combust while vaping; it makes a poof sound and fire shoots out the airhole, its a mini explosion.. I do it frequently since I use silica and ss mesh. This is vaping 40-70 watts in a dripper..

Kinda makes it obvious you use TC exclusively.

Its a normal occurrence when low on oil..

 

[dr g]

It most certainly does combust while vaping; it makes a poof sound and fire shoots out the airhole, its a mini explosion.. I do it frequently since I use silica and ss mesh. This is vaping 40-70 watts in a dripper..

Kinda makes it obvious you use TC exclusively.

Its a normal occurrence when low on oil..

And how many times have you burned your lungs?

 

[Visus]

And how many times have you burned your lungs?

Zero
But i don't inhale hard
yeah it is an instant heat flash in your mouth
could be dangerous
but at 150 watts its as if red hot coal was just in your mouth and
thats without the flash fire, just the wick, coil, everything, HAWT!
Gotta be wicked and coiled right.. I was wrong on mine but no reason to try it again lol...
The 1st time it happens is not fun. Now I can tell the exact vape when it will happen and let it lol..

 

[dr g]

But i don't inhale hard

the answer

 

[Nomoreash]

People have been setting wicks on fire with far less wattage than that. This is not new.

Yes I watched the video.

True, back in my Genesis days it happened several times on a Provari V2, which had a 15w limit.

 

[Mooch]

Balance charging doesn't work like that at all really. LiPo charging follows a Constant Current (CC) charge method until cells reach 4.2v each then switch to Constant Voltage (CV) charging maintaining 4.2v while lowering current until a predetermined current level has been reached and the battery charge is then complete. The predetermined current level is typically around 0.1A when the charge is finished. Balancing consists of monitoring each cell individually during charging, both in the CC and the CV stages of charging looking for a voltage imbalance between cells. Once an imbalance is measured (at typical voltage differential of 0.2v, but can vary between chargers), charging to the higher voltage cells is interrupted until the lower voltage cell catches up to the voltage level of the higher cells. Most chargers also have a predetermined timeout period and if a lower voltage cell cannot be brought up to the voltage of the higher cells within this timeframe, the charge cycle will terminate with a failure to meet minimum charge target. This will generate an error message indicating the charge failed to complete successfully.

I am not a DNA200 beta tester, so I don't know if this is the method used for their charge routine. But this is the normal method of charging LiPo batteries and has been generally accepted as the norm for this purpose. This is not a new method and is not magic. Just the accepted safe method for charging multi-cell LiPo batteries that has been in use for years.

Actually, both if those balancing methods are used, and many others. The number of balancing algorithms are almost as varied as the number of balancing products available. A lot depends on whether they're using a commercial balancing, protection, or full-fledged BMS chip or if the balancing is handled by the MCU.
To complicate things even more, the safer chargers often use secondary overvoltage protection to shut everything down or blow a "chemical" fuse if any any cell exceeds a certain voltage, i.e., if the balancing is no longer working or capable of handling a cell that's self-discharging excessively.

 

[Vooper]

That video featured several individuals who have very little experience with the device and have not thought their comments through.

Their comments were also lacking much context, and anyone who really understands things should know that their comments are nearly meaningless without a lot more information.

So basically they're like the average buyer of the devices using the chip in question.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

And how many times have you burned your lungs?

Zero
But i don't inhale hard

the answer

Where have I heard this before?

X



***Edited by classwife - removed pic...smh...

 

[tbrown4g63]

Balance charging doesn't work like that at all really. LiPo charging follows a Constant Current (CC) charge method until cells reach 4.2v each then switch to Constant Voltage (CV) charging maintaining 4.2v while lowering current until a predetermined current level has been reached and the battery charge is then complete. The predetermined current level is typically around 0.1A when the charge is finished. Balancing consists of monitoring each cell individually during charging, both in the CC and the CV stages of charging looking for a voltage imbalance between cells. Once an imbalance is measured (at typical voltage differential of 0.2v, but can vary between chargers), charging to the higher voltage cells is interrupted until the lower voltage cell catches up to the voltage level of the higher cells. Most chargers also have a predetermined timeout period and if a lower voltage cell cannot be brought up to the voltage of the higher cells within this timeframe, the charge cycle will terminate with a failure to meet minimum charge target. This will generate an error message indicating the charge failed to complete successfully.

I am not a DNA200 beta tester, so I don't know if this is the method used for their charge routine. But this is the normal method of charging LiPo batteries and has been generally accepted as the norm for this purpose. This is not a new method and is not magic. Just the accepted safe method for charging multi-cell LiPo batteries that has been in use for years.

Maybe im not explaining it properly but thats what mine do. I see it all the time go from 4.18v to 4.19v then back to 4.18v.

 

[dr g]

So basically they're like the average buyer of the devices using the chip in question.

Absolutely not.

 

[druckle]

Absolutely not.

How do they differ?

 

[MasteroftheVape]