DNA 200 Watt

[Jazzman]

thats crazy. I've seen some triple 18650 mods but theyre mainly unregulated and huge already, add the dna200 board in there and thats a monster size mod lol.

Agreed Alice, which might be the appeal for LiPos. If you trust the tech.

 

[tchavei]

I can't believe the amount of fools in this thread right now. Fools that believe LiPos are evil and can't be used in a safe and effective manner. Guys like @tchavei that is spreading rumors about RC heli guys charging cells beyond 4.2v. Sorry, being an RC heli guy for more than 20 years, and dealing with LiPos in RC helis for the last 10 I know you are full of crap. There isn't a single mainstream charger out there for LiPos for RC heli use that doesn't cut off at 4.2v/cell and as long as a balance charge is used monitor each cell individually keeping the charge voltage between cells at less than .2v. Even a cheap 39.95 charger will do that. If your "friend" charged above 4.2v on any cell he had some homebrew charger that he cobbled together in his garage and didn't have a purpose made charger for RC use. I believe Evolv does have a purpose made charger for LiPo use, and will not present the issues your "friend's" homebrew charger does.

The LiPo argument is just BS in it's entirety since we have years of data on mods like the MVP that have been using them successfully in the real vapers world without serious issue. I haven't heard this argument leveled against the MVP line, but all of the sudden it's an issue for Evolv? Please, think about it for a minute or two. The Evolv DNA200 has a balance charger on board to specifically prevent the issues many are saying will occur. It just won't. LiPo charging is not in it's infancy and the tried and true CC/CV method of charging with balancing between cells is robust, safe and has been used for many years in many different industries and hobby uses. And it has proven to be not the unsafe fire hazard that some here are purporting it to be. It is a mature tech that been proven over time.

I do understand that many people are ignorant of how LiPo charging works and all the safety measures good charging algorithms and monitoring entail. And I would encourage those folks to at least google how this is done before making uninformed speculation on the dangers of LiPo technology. I can tell you that if it is as many have unintelligently presented here really existed, it would not be a mainstream tech for phones, notebooks, RC hobbies, and yes, vape products. Please speak from an informed perspective before coming to an erroneous conclusion.

I'm not going to argue with you. It's not worth it. I'll also keep your post for future reference.

Only thing I say is, if you were into competition flying you would know it's common practice to charge lipos to 4.34V which was a (stupid) number thunder power gave years ago as absolute limit for what their batteries could handle. Is it safe? No. Do people do it? Every day.

Every example I gave was rc related and I made a point stating so. You say lipos are super safe for vaping applications? Well great. I just pointed out they are volatile in MY applications. I even pointed out that among everything out there the dna 200 was probably the one with most safety features installed and I said that personally I liked lipos. So where am I spreading false rumours? Never mind. Don't even bother answering. I won't read it.

Regards
Tony

Sent from my keyboard through my phone or something like that.

 

[USMCotaku]

maybe itll perform well, but I would have rather preferred something with user-changeable batteries and compact (2x18650 mods are pretty big already). Even if it did perform well, I wouldnt buy a big chunky 3x18650 mod. I'm not here arguing about the performance of the mods, im just against the board because it's basically pidgeonholed into LiPo only mods. I really think evolv made a mistake putting this board out, who even vapes constantly at 200watts. I know a people with sigelei 150s who dont even go near the 150w mark, and people who will buy this for TC have no use for the full 200W.

most people who build super subohm and use high wattage dont even go to 200w, and aren't really interested in TC. Most people who are interested in TC find it ridiculous to vape at 200w they are trying to mash together two things that dont fit

I rarely take my variant over 120 watts, but sometimes ya just wanna play. And then that 260 watts is nice to have

 

[KTMRider]

maybe itll perform well, but I would have rather preferred something with user-changeable batteries and compact (2x18650 mods are pretty big already). Even if it did perform well, I wouldnt buy a big chunky 3x18650 mod. I'm not here arguing about the performance of the mods, im just against the board because it's basically pidgeonholed into LiPo only mods.

Then this board isn't for you.

I'm not in the market for a 200w mod at all. That's the least interesting feature of the DNA200 for me. Just like 40w wasn't the draw for me to the DNA40's. I usually vape around 20w for Ni200 and have tried higher wattages with my drippers but I build for a VW device and that means I don't need to build crazy sub-ohm coils. My drippers currently have dual coil .8Ω (ish) and I vape them at 22-24w. I've never needed more than 25w ever. I've tried .4Ω at 40w and it doesn't do anything my .8Ω @ 22w can do better.

 

[druckle]

There is no reason that a LiPo cannot be user changeable. Simply wire it up with an XT30, XT60 or Deans (or any number of the other varieties of connectors) for an easy swap out.

Exactly....do you know of a mod manufacturer who is taking that route?.....So far I've only seen "built ins". Is there a current protective package that allows the LiPo to be carried around like a camera battery? If so I'm all in.

Duane

 

[alicewonderland]

Then this board isn't for you.

I'm not in the market for a 200w mod at all. That's the least interesting feature of the DNA200 for me. Just like 40w wasn't the draw for me to the DNA40's. I usually vape around 20w for Ni200 and have tried higher wattages with my drippers but I build for a VW device and that means I don't need to build crazy sub-ohm coils. My drippers currently have dual coil .8Ω (ish) and I vape them at 22-24w. I've never needed more than 25w ever. I've tried .4Ω at 40w and it doesn't do anything my .8Ω @ 22w can do better.

yep it isn't for me. I was hoping for something different from evolv as I love their DNA40 chip in my vaporshark, but 40w isnt as much as I'd like for my builds (0.3-0.5). Looks like ill be sticking to the Snowwolf for my TC mod upgrade, or if P4U releases more details on their IPV D2 TC mod anytime soon..

 

[alicewonderland]

Exactly....do you know of a mod manufacturer who is taking that route?.....So far I've only seen "built ins". Is there a current protective package that allows the LiPo to be carried around like a camera battery? If so I'm all in.

Duane

 

[KTMRider]

yep it isn't for me. I was hoping for something different from evolv as I love their DNA40 chip in my vaporshark, but 40w isnt as much as I'd like for my builds (0.3-0.5). Looks like ill be sticking to the Snowwolf for my TC mod upgrade, or if P4U releases more details on their IPV D2 TC mod anytime soon..

Maybe Yihi SX350j? I just ordered a SX Mini M to play with. Might be for sale soon after I receive it

 

[Mooch]

Exactly....do you know of a mod manufacturer who is taking that route?.....So far I've only seen "built ins". Is there a current protective package that allows the LiPo to be carried around like a camera battery? If so I'm all in.

Duane

Definitely, that's the stuff I design for a living. But, you need a hard case and the protection tech adds to the parts cost for the battery pack. That dooms the thing before it even gets out the door.

 

[druckle]

Not exactly what I had in mind.

 

[druckle]

Definitely, that's the stuff I design for a living. But, you need a hard case and the protection tech adds to the parts cost for the battery pack. That dooms the thing before it even gets out the door.

Are you saying no way...this will never be usable for me?

Duane

 

[KTMRider]

Definitely, that's the stuff I design for a living. But, you need a hard case and the protection tech adds to the parts cost for the battery pack. That dooms the thing before it even gets out the door.

I'll wait until I see some mods but the VS looks promising and will probably pre-order it.

Not exactly what I had in mind.

Doesn't go with your outfit?

 

[alicewonderland]

Maybe Yihi SX350j? I just ordered a SX Mini M to play with. Might be for sale soon after I receive it

i dont like any of the mods that have the yihi chips right now. Only other option would be a custom box mod but would end up costing me ~270$+. The IPV D2 is going to be using a yihi chip which is why im eager for them to release more info on it but im not holding my breath, its been listed on several sites for a whilealready but little to no info is out yet.

 

[KTMRider]

i dont like any of the mods that have the yihi chips right now. Only other option would be a custom box mod but would end up costing me ~270$+. The IPV D2 is going to be using a yihi chip which is why im eager for them to release more info on it but im not holding my breath, its been listed on several sites for a whilealready but little to no info is out yet.

I just found this tonight:
Boxer Mod 150W DIY Kit with YiHi SX350J Temperature Control Chip - Ginger Vaper

And then there's this...

 

[alicewonderland]

yeah i read up on the vaporshark dna200 already on their facebook page, they confirm its a 3 cell user servicable LiPo in the VS.

they also say 'new paint job' acid bath powdercoated etc whatever. new paint is also on their flasks.

 

[Mooch]

Are you saying no way...this will never be usable for me?

Duane

In terms of you DIY'ing a pack?
Or that no manufacturer will do this?

It certainly possible that a manufacturer will create a protected pack but this industry is incredibly cost sensitive. I don't know if it will sell.

 

[Cotay]

Exactly....do you know of a mod manufacturer who is taking that route?.....So far I've only seen "built ins". Is there a current protective package that allows the LiPo to be carried around like a camera battery? If so I'm all in.

Duane

You can always mod your device to accommodate the connectors...if you are concerned about the warranty you can wait until it expires.

 

[druckle]

In terms of you DIY'ing a pack?
Or that no manufacturer will do this?

It certainly possible that a manufacturer will create a protected pack but this industry is incredibly cost sensitive. I don't know if It will sell.

I'm not into DIY electronics...I'm a retired engineer but definitely not into that. I just want something that I can take with me to the mountains and not have to worry about running out of power. That means I need to be able to replace a depleted battery while sitting on a rock in the woods. I've avoided non replaceable battery mods in the past and I intend to in the future as long as I can.

I don't know how much it would cost to make a battery that is robust enough for the back pack and put a decent connector in a mod but if no one is likely to do that then I'll keep using what I have or wait for a better solution.

Duane

 

[druckle]

damned double post

 

[BNEAT]

Isn't being able to replace your battery conveniently a thing?

I'm just the opposite: I don't want to have to touch my batteries, ever. Much less have to fool with an external charger...(although I have 4 of the damn things.)

The LiPo in my new eVic is pretty sweet: small, relatively light, last for days, and charges quickly. What's not to like?

My only concern with LiPos becoming mainstream is frickin Chinese counterfeits