User flashable firmware takes out a lot of the risk that used to be involved with being an early adopter for sure
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Of course, that's speculation... But generally production units aren't run until beta is done, so it's a somewhat safe speculation
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That was the biggest negative for me on the DNA40 was that because I was an early adopter I missed out on sever fixes/features. That said if Evolv made the foolish mistake of sending out anything but Design Frozen units as they did with the DNA40 they would have to change the name of their company to Mud LLC. Not all faults are firmware. I just think they need to be as careful as they can financially afford to be.
Actually the ideal system would be updates automatically checked for and fetched by the PC software - very doable. They still need notifications for the majority of users who won't be running the software regularly, but for those that do it'd be a nice touch if it checks and downloads automatically, presenting a "New firmware, do you want to apply? Here are the changes.." notification next time you run it. (Or, even more ideally, it can run in the background in the Systray and pop up the notification 24/7!)
I think the physical chip was finalized before this run of testing, so in my opinion, yes, they may well ship"non production" units....if I'm correct, the only difference will be the firmware version, which you will now be able to update, so no harm no foul. Again, I'm speculating, based on promise of shipment dates on preorder in concordance with still being beta tested
Yep, yep, I am just frustrated. I want to be able to enjoy the info and I think it's a little like the anticipation of Christmas morning as a 'lil fella!! The little nuggets of info that are posted here are great fun and very thought provoking.
I'm sure the betas hear the concerns of posters here, all they can do is check back in with evolve about how the info they relay is being received and things progress from there.
I get it......... Really, I do!
I'm sure the betas hear the concerns of posters here, all they can do is check back in with evolve about how the info they relay is being received and things progress from there.
I get it......... Really, I do!
That wouldn't be daunting for an early adopter. I can easily accept, even expect, firmware updates.
Duane
It sounds as if you are speculating the same as the rest of us. No sweat No problem as long as we all realize we're just guessing and waiting.
Duane
Just trying to put a stomp on vitriol with a little reasoning and educated guesses 
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I hear you. It's not fun to be called a disgusting name for asking a question. It would be good if that didn't happen anymore.Just trying to put a stomp on vitriol with a little reasoning and educated guesses
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Duane
I don't think what I gonna say violates any NDA but if so I may just be kicked.... but vaping was a God Sent for me. Early on I became involved in alpha and beta testing as I had the time and the desire. I did not seek to do this but was asked. I'm not "tooting my horn" but it amazes me how far this "wild west of vaping" has come. Over the years I have had the opportunity to experience alpha and beta testing at different levels of professionalism and different levels of precision depending on the company and their resources. Testing things like cartomizers, attys, e-liquid samples, devices, circuit boards, and etc. also take different levels of complexity. I only say this to get to the point that needs to be made from my prospective. To me it's not what one takes from this world but what one is willing to give. This prospective and 2 bucks will get ya a cup of coffee.
The point:
The current DNA200d beta testing process incorporates more factors, processes, systems, input from the team, and "kicking the tires" than any beta that I have experienced. Will it be perfect? … NO….When this "package" is released you will be the judge and you will decide whether it has merit to warrant any purchase. I think you may be hard pressed to find any circuit board manufacturer (ODM company) that has brought such an all inclusive package. The device manufacturers will play their role in the form factor and application of the technology.
The point:
The current DNA200d beta testing process incorporates more factors, processes, systems, input from the team, and "kicking the tires" than any beta that I have experienced. Will it be perfect? … NO….When this "package" is released you will be the judge and you will decide whether it has merit to warrant any purchase. I think you may be hard pressed to find any circuit board manufacturer (ODM company) that has brought such an all inclusive package. The device manufacturers will play their role in the form factor and application of the technology.
Looks different to me...
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@retird I want to compliment you on your EVOLUTION.
From my perspective, upon the release of the DNA 40, you have come a long way, demonstrating that one can grow away from "fanboy-ism" to a reliable product advocate, without syrupy evangelizing. (MS actually had, and may still have, a personnel title "Evangelist". I knew a few personally. Simultaneously funny and sickening people,)
I am motivated to write because I just rejoined a beta "team", in the true sense of that word, of which I was a continuous member for more than a decade. BTW the release of that product is scheduled to be after December 2015.
Rarely do I scold but early on, and, with the recent "leaks" about a month ago, scolding, or reprimanding, is in order when "beta testers" cannot or will not exercise RESTRAINT, of hype or evangelizing, both before and after product release. My developer(s) have usually had a specific NDA proviso as to when disclosure to a public, no matter how large or interested, was permitted. The attitude, "I'm a beta tester and can LORD IT OVER you rabble..." has always been a sure fire way to be booted from the "team".
If the current beta "strategy" is coming completely from Evolv they need to 'get their (proverbial) head out', or, educate themselves to the protocols (particularly the strictures of an NDA) that developers routinely employ. Else, their product(s) will suffer public ridicule, no matter how good the product ACTUALLY is.
Again, thanks for your shift in attitude,
Hey I think the rhetoric here hasn't always been constructive from both sides but while your comment is appreciated it might be more constructive if it wasn't perceivable as a "back hand" compliment.@retird I want to compliment you on your EVOLUTION.
From my perspective, upon the release of the DNA 40, you have come a long way, demonstrating that one can grow away from "fanboy-ism" to a reliable product advocate, without syrupy evangelizing. (MS actually had, and may still have, a personnel title "Evangelist". I knew a few personally. Simultaneously funny and sickening people,)
I am motivated to write because I just rejoined a beta "team", in the true sense of that word, of which I was a continuous member for more than a decade. BTW the release of that product is scheduled to be after December 2015.
Rarely do I scold but early on, and, with the recent "leaks" about a month ago, scolding, or reprimanding, is in order when "beta testers" cannot or will not exercise RESTRAINT, of hype or evangelizing, both before and after product release. My developer(s) have usually had a specific NDA proviso as to when disclosure to a public, no matter how large or interested, was permitted. The attitude, "I'm a beta tester and can LORD IT OVER you rabble..." has always been a sure fire way to be booted from the "team".
If the current beta "strategy" is coming completely from Evolv they need to 'get their (proverbial) head out', or, educate themselves to the protocols (particularly the strictures of an NDA) that developers routinely employ. Else, their product(s) will suffer public ridicule, no matter how good the product ACTUALLY is.
Again, thanks for your shift in attitude,
I appreciate retird's comments on the DNA 200 beta process and while I have been somewhat concerned about the communications process in the past I prefer to focus on the now and let the water gone past the bridge just continue on down the stream.
Duane
Nothing at all backhanded about it. Utterly forward looking. If you missed the "future" part you can re-read as you choose,
I'm glad you don't intend it to be other than future oriented but when I read it I honestly got the tone of "I'm glad you stopped beating your wife". I'm sorry if I misread.
Duane
Cloudmaker Evolve DNA200 Reddit Announcement
Cloudmaker DNA200 was also announced, considering its a modular design, they said "If you pre-order a Whiteout DNA or SX, rest assured that you’ll be able to get an affordable build kit to swap over to the Ares chip simply and safely, without the need for soldering or serious technical experience", they will have kits to swap chips later in time for SX350 or vice vera to DNA200. You should be able to switch between and Ares OS, SX350J and DNA200 easily without soldering and plug and play, and of course just swapping battery brackets due to lipo requirements. They say "If you get a chip & cradle build kit from us, it’s designed to be completely plug-n-play (no soldering or other specialized tools". Not only that but any new chips that come out, so u don't have to buy new mods each time just the chips. This may be one of the first DNA200 chips with swapable protected lipo's!
Considering there building modular swap-able protected Lipo's, single & dual 18650 packs, bottom feeder packs and chip kits, I don't see this far off from the perfect vaping experience for me. I always find myself buying 200-300 mods and weeks later being disappointed I'm missing the features of a newer better chip. Being able to hot swap would give me the ability to have the best of both world in the major chip field, YiHi and Evolv.
I attached a image of there modular platform to show how swapping could work, considering everything is modular. If you are wondering where the screen goes, the face plate/button bezels are changeable, their is a picture of a SX350 model on there facebook if u wanna see how that works.They also mentioned this, in response to a question about 3 18650's being installed "The modular design requires we use the same chassis for everything, with different mounting brackets, battery sleds, and screen/button bezel panels for each configuration." The price point will be somewhere under 200$, with chip kits for swapping being much cheaper.
Also, I won't feed into any more drama, so don't quote my previous posts or attack me for what I said. Everyone has an opinion. I expressed mine and that chapter of this thread went astray and should be put to rest.
Cloudmaker DNA200 was also announced, considering its a modular design, they said "If you pre-order a Whiteout DNA or SX, rest assured that you’ll be able to get an affordable build kit to swap over to the Ares chip simply and safely, without the need for soldering or serious technical experience", they will have kits to swap chips later in time for SX350 or vice vera to DNA200. You should be able to switch between and Ares OS, SX350J and DNA200 easily without soldering and plug and play, and of course just swapping battery brackets due to lipo requirements. They say "If you get a chip & cradle build kit from us, it’s designed to be completely plug-n-play (no soldering or other specialized tools". Not only that but any new chips that come out, so u don't have to buy new mods each time just the chips. This may be one of the first DNA200 chips with swapable protected lipo's!
Considering there building modular swap-able protected Lipo's, single & dual 18650 packs, bottom feeder packs and chip kits, I don't see this far off from the perfect vaping experience for me. I always find myself buying 200-300 mods and weeks later being disappointed I'm missing the features of a newer better chip. Being able to hot swap would give me the ability to have the best of both world in the major chip field, YiHi and Evolv.
I attached a image of there modular platform to show how swapping could work, considering everything is modular. If you are wondering where the screen goes, the face plate/button bezels are changeable, their is a picture of a SX350 model on there facebook if u wanna see how that works.They also mentioned this, in response to a question about 3 18650's being installed "The modular design requires we use the same chassis for everything, with different mounting brackets, battery sleds, and screen/button bezel panels for each configuration." The price point will be somewhere under 200$, with chip kits for swapping being much cheaper.
Also, I won't feed into any more drama, so don't quote my previous posts or attack me for what I said. Everyone has an opinion. I expressed mine and that chapter of this thread went astray and should be put to rest.
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Oh sorry, you're right. The side-on photo on OpusVapor has exactly the same layout as the side-on of the proto device, same brass buttons etc, but now I look more closely it's obviously a black finish not the one the prototype had which was greyer and mottled in some way. Hmm, I was sure I saw the same prototype device on the Opus200 page. Maybe they changed the photos. Or more likely, I just imagined it!
PS. I just noticed the Opus 200 has 1000mah battery!? Should be good for, what, 20 minutes of 200w vaping?
With 3s battery(high c-rating and higher voltage), just think of it as triple the capacity, in simplistic terms. This thread has exploded since it started, so it may be hard to find all the different points of conversation and argument in here.
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