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I understand your question and think that it is going to come up more and more as resistance ranges get close to crossing, such that large Ti builds have resistance values that are approaching subohm Kanthal builds. You are looking for a way to force TC mode in the event that it reads your coil as likely to be Kanthal when it is not. The new joytech device is getting some coverage for a similar issue, where you can give it a TC coil, set it to the full wattage for pre-heat and it can pop out of TC mode, delivering the full wattage to a TC coil not suitable for it. I think as these devices support Ti they will eventually need a way the user can force TC mode.
Right on! That is exactly the issue. I believe Evolv is saying they will support Ti coils and that means there really needs to be a way to lock IN as well as lock OUT TC mode as I see it.

Thanks for speaking up. It might help everyone understand the technology a little better.

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Your questions are starting to not make sense but I'll try to answer.

What is it about autosensing that saves someones backside if they have a .3 ohm Ti Coil and lock in TC mode (assuming that could be done)?

Autosensing would not occur in a theoretical locked TC mode.

If any value can be set for the preheat in TC mode as I assume it can then isn't it possible for someone to set inappropriate values for a given coil with the DNA 200 now?

Yes, that is why autosensing exists.

Also,what is it about autosensing that keeps someone from firing a 0.3 ohm kanthal coil at 200 watts with power mode locked in?

Nothing, autosensing does not operate in watts mode.

one more time: Can anyone tell me the dimensions of the beta box?

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Does that mean that autosensing will not be present if a custom Ti wire is selected? If that is so then there is no problem going forward.

Duane

That is my hope, but we won't know until one of the testers gives it a shot with the latest firmware or we get our hands on it. I for one want to put a "high" resistance Ti coil on and see if it thinks it is a low resistance kanthal coil, then see if I can force a TC profile. Part of the reason for getting one. Frankly, the only way to do some interesting things with 200w and TC is high resistance TC builds.
 
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Your questions are starting to not make sense but I'll try to answer.



Autosensing would not occur in a theoretical locked TC mode.



Yes, that is why autosensing exists.



Nothing, autosensing does not operate in watts mode.



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Let's let other folks comment who have had experience with the DNA 200 and a range of resistances in their titanium coils. My questions are no doubt confusing you and I apologize.

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But a dual coil in Ti could easily hit that with 10 wraps.

Dual coil resistance is halved, not doubled. Two 10 wrap Titanium coils of let's say 26G, 3mm ID, would be 0.46Ω per coil, meaning 0.23Ω in a dual-coil build.

Even if 30G was used, a dual coil 10 wrap build would only be 0.53Ω.

However a 10 wrap 3mm ID 30G single coil would be over a 1.0Ω limit.

I would hope the DNA 200 does not have that 1.0Ω limit though - there's no need for it. It may have made sense in the DNA 40 where its upper limit was 2.0Ω but I would have assumed with the DNA 200''s much greater power/volts, it has a higher maximum volt/ohms limit. Plus it intends to support non-Ni200 wires. Even if it had a 2.0Ω limit, there's still no need to hardcode 1.0Ω - if a given TC build is trying to go over 2.0Ω, flash a warning/error at that time. Don't limit all >1.0Ω builds just because some of them might go over a maximum limit.

The Dicodes supports TC builds anywhere in its entire ohms range (0.05Ω - 3.0Ω). They even recommend, for NiFe30 wire (similar to Titanium in its TCR) a build range of 0.5Ω - 1.5Ω (as the best balance of response time, power usage, coil mass, etc.)

Of course they don't do auto-sensing. Auto sensing is past its sell by date in my view - TC and power are very different modes, they should be selected independently. And on a DNA 40 if one wants to fire in power mode, even on a TC build (eg dry burning a NiFe30 coil), the work required to turn TC off and back on - go to TC mode, scroll through temperatures to Off, then do the inverse to turn it back on, re-selecting ones preferred temp - is far more than a simple menu toggle between "Power" and "TC" modes; the latter of which can remember settings like temperature.

So I gather the DNA 200 does have auto sensing? (Sorry I haven't followed 100%.) If so, that's high on the list for things that should change ASAP. If Evolv really think some people really like it, make it optional - three modes: Power only; TC only; Autosense.

Speaking of all this - is there any word as to whether the DNA 200 has a proper on-mod menu? Please tell me it's not Button Twister again.. I know a lot of stuff has been out-sourced to the PC software, but some at least of that must still be selectable on-mod. In which case I really, really hope it has a real menu. Not "five clicks to lock, then hold down Fire and Up for X, or Fire and Down for Y, or Fire Up and Down while tapping out morse code with your feet and spinning on the spot thrice, for XYZ. Oh, then unlock it again with five clicks."

God, I hate that!
 
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Your questions are nonsensical because they are founded on a lack of understanding on your part. They are not confusing, they are just nonsense.

I'm not sure what your agenda is but you're very offensive to anyone who's not praising this board and has reasonable concerns. I think it would be greatly appreciated if you stop attacking people who aren't interested in your input.
 

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Speaking of all this - is there any word as to whether the DNA 200 has a proper on-mod menu? Please tell me it's not Button Twister again.. I know a lot of stuff has been out-sourced to the PC software, but some at least of that must still be selectable on-mod. In which case I really, really hope it has a real menu. Not "five clicks to lock, then hold down Fire and Up for X, or Fire and Down for Y, or Fire Up and Down while tapping out morse code with your feet and spinning on the spot thrice, for XYZ. Oh, then unlock it again with five clicks."

The DNA system continues to have the most intuitive UIs of top end advanced mods in the industry. This is an Evolv philosophy. No idea what you are talking about but multiple clicks have never been used on the DNA system for anything other than things that are intended to be difficult (i.e. locking and unlocking).

I'm not sure what your agenda is but you're very offensive to anyone who's not praising this board and has reasonable concerns. I think it would be greatly appreciated if you stop attacking people who aren't interested in your input.

Nonsense is nonsense and will be called such by me. If you don't like that, nothing I can do.
 

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can somebody explain why sometimes dna40 temp reading getting higher gradually ?
vape getting weaker because of that. TC kicks in earlier than it should

I found out resetting the atty temporarily solves that.
firing without atty to reset board's reading is not working every time

can you reset the atty manually (n.coil up / s. down question ) on dna200 ?
 
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