DNA 200 Watt

[Jazzman]

And that answers my question about who needs more power. I still think 200w would be overkill. Maybe 60-80w would be overkill too, but you will know more than me.

I would agree that 200watts is a bit much for the majority of vapers . But a mod is much more than just what max power it can output. Like for example, the DNA200 can go lower wattage (1watt) than almost all other mods on the market, so could potentially be attractive to very low wattage vapers. The ability to accurately use other metals besides nickel for temp limiting. Ridiculous battery life for the average vaper. Or the myriad features the mod has, many of which have never been available on any mod. It's a bit myopic to look at a mod these days from purely a max power perspective, and that includes most mods on the market, but is especially true with the DNA200D I think. And once you factor in the safety and accuracy that Evolv is known for, especially if you venture into high wattage vaping occasionally, it makes more sense as a mod for even low to mid wattage vapers.

 

[dr g]

I use premade Atlantis 2 coils. I guess it's even more cloud chasing (which I am guilty of), but even with my current setup the amount of cloud is difficult to get away with in closed public places.

Heh that doesn't even scratch the surface

 

[OriVape]

That's interesting. Temp sensing with other metals?

I'm not questioning the other features of DNA200. I know little about them. I am questioning the 200w aspect. I guess if you are using other metals you may need the power, but the batteries must surely drain fast at that setting.

I like the upgradable software feature though. That sounds good to me.

Also wonder if one will be able to upgrade the dna40 chips to dna200

 

[Yozhik]

1] Besides this, I seen the IPV3 165W is coming out, and it's upgradable to 200W on two 18650's. Now my question is, if Yihi and several other manf can hit 200W on 2 18650's, why can the DNA 200 not. Is it because the lipo's hit 11v and 2 18650's cant on a wide range of resistances?

Batteries like the VTC5 can do 30A continuous, though in reality all vapers (even future DNA200 users) only use their batteries in pulsed discharge. At a nominal voltage of 3.7V per battery, two 18650s in series providing 7.4V at 30A will give you 222W input power. That's probably well enough to do 200W, but the thing to realize is that it will be a very short amount of time. Since pulsed discharges don't drain the battery as quickly as continuous discharge, you're probably looking at enough for a moderate max 5~10 minute vape session. If you want to chain vape, it'll be drained rightly quick.

The same is generally true if you used a 2S LiPo of similar capacity. However, if you go with three cells (18650 or LiPo) in series for 200W, because the cells can still supply sufficient voltage for much longer to keep you operating in the 200W range, you're vaping time will be considerably extended. Also, you're current draw is also reduced, which is good for a number of reasons.

Evolv could have done three 18650s, but the problem with doing that approach is that with 18650s each individual battery's protection starts to make a compact mod difficult. By going with LiPo, they can achieve a much smaller battery layout versus that composed with multiple 18650s. The downside to LiPos though is that for user-swappable batteries, you typically need to provide a custom protective enclosure, such as Innokin has done with the Innocell.

 

[KTMRider]

I would agree that 200watts is a bit much for the majority of vapers . But a mod is much more than just what max power it can output. Like for example, the DNA200 can go lower wattage (1watt) than almost all other mods on the market, so could potentially be attractive to very low wattage vapers. The ability to accurately use other metals besides nickel for temp limiting. Ridiculous battery life for the average vaper. Or the myriad features the mod has, many of which have never been available on any mod. It's a bit myopic to look at a mod these days from purely a max power perspective, and that includes most mods on the market, but is especially true with the DNA200D I think. And once you factor in the safety and accuracy that Evolv is known for, especially if you venture into high wattage vaping occasionally, it makes more sense as a mod for even low to mid wattage vapers.

The DNA40 would be a much better choice for low wattage vapers unless they want the bells and whistles of the DNA200.

Also wonder if one will be able to upgrade the dna40 chips to dna200

Completely different board. Won't happen.

Batteries like the VTC5 can do 30A continuous, though in reality all vapers (even future DNA200 users) only use their batteries in pulsed discharge. At a nominal voltage of 3.7V per battery, two 18650s in series providing 7.4V at 30A will give you 222W input power. That's probably well enough to do 200W, but the thing to realize is that it will be a very short amount of time. Since pulsed discharges don't drain the battery as quickly as continuous discharge, you're probably looking at enough for a moderate max 5~10 minute vape session. If you want to chain vape, it'll be drained rightly quick.

The same is generally true if you used a 2S LiPo of similar capacity. However, if you go with three cells (18650 or LiPo) in series for 200W, because the cells can still supply sufficient voltage for much longer to keep you operating in the 200W range, you're vaping time will be considerably extended. Also, you're current draw is also reduced, which is good for a number of reasons.

Evolv could have done three 18650s, but the problem with doing that approach is that with 18650s each individual battery's protection starts to make a compact mod difficult. By going with LiPo, they can achieve a much smaller battery layout versus that composed with multiple 18650s. The downside to LiPos though is that for user-swappable batteries, you typically need to provide a custom protective enclosure, such as Innokin has done with the Innocell.

Max input of the DNA200 is 23a. Output is 55a.

 

[Rossum]

Batteries like the VTC5 can do 30A continuous, though in reality all vapers (even future DNA200 users) only use their batteries in pulsed discharge. At a nominal voltage of 3.7V per battery, two 18650s in series providing 7.4V at 30A will give you 222W input power.

Which leaves you zero margin of safety. Actually, less than zero at 3.0V per cell under load. Western engineers do not design consumer products that way.

Also, go ahead and pull 30A continuous from a VTC5 and let us know if you can still hold it in your hand after a minute or so.

 

[VapingBad]

I sure it had been said a 1000 times, but it's worth saying again: never use batteries in mechs past their continuous current rating. If you sit on it, the switch spring collapses, it rolls down the back of the couch or countless other ways it could auto fire you are going to vent the battery.

 

[Pdizzle]

No new news today?

 

[Vooper]

Which leaves you zero margin of safety. Actually, less than zero at 3.0V per cell under load. Western engineers do not design consumer products that way.

Also, go ahead and pull 30A continuous from a VTC5 and let us know if you can still hold it in your hand after a minute or so.

I don't think anyone jams the button down for a minute straight when vaping though.

 

[suspectK]

Also, go ahead and pull 30A continuous from a VTC5 and let us know if you can still hold it in your hand after a minute or so.

Don't even need to pull 30 Amps..they get plenty warm with 20.

 

[VapingBad]

No new news today?

First UK vendor has listed the board, no date but the price is £62.99, for comparison an SX350J + balance board is £77 over here.

 

[VapingBad]

... and DNA40s are £40

 

[Pdizzle]

(removed by classwife - can't discuss this here) But yea a sx350J runs me about 90$ Canadian

 

[windxrunner]

The way I see it, 200w is quite a lot of power. Way more than I, or the majority of vapers, will ever use. But I don't know if overkill is a good way to describe it. Overkill implies it should be lower. Just because it's capable of producing 200w doesn't mean you need to use all of it. I remember buying a Sigelei 100w when they came out knowing full well I would never go above 50w. I got it cos I liked the form factor and battery life. I'm sure other people bought it and never went over 20w, just like quite a few ran it at 100w all day, every day. So, I think it's pretty cool the new DNA can do 200w. It makes it capable of anything. Anyone that buys it will be able to get a great vape from it. Plus, 200w in temp mode is useful if you want to vape at 80w but have a quick 200w preheat for half a second. If it could only do 80w max, it couldn't preheat any higher for the folks that had it set that high.

 

[Darkly spectr]

try 22g nickel

That would be impossible to work with.

I don't know the minimum ohm rating on the DNA200 but I presume it's like the average 0.05ohms.

22 gauge would need like what? 15-25ish wraps for a single coil for a 0.05 that one big ... coil.

The lipo battery thing scared me off but now I looked into lifepo4 and I am more at ease knowing that lifepos are a ton safer than lipo so I might invest in the DNA200.

 

[Mad Scientist]

I'm not any master cloud chaser and I already find 40 Watts to be extremely limiting for certain present day attys in certain circumstances. 40 Watts on a dual coil atty with large juice channels and free air flow does make my "man cave" look like the inside of a cigar bar within a few minutes, but it's also often a very satisfying vape when I feel like that type of vape. I don't do any of the more exotic cloud chasing builds but I still want more power and I have attys with relatively simple builds that almost border on anemic at 40 Watts. I think the 200 has a market far beyond just hard core enthusiasts. I'm not one of them but I still want a DNA 200.

 

[classwife]

this sniping had better stop

 

[USMCotaku]

this sniping had better stop

Hey classie :waves:

 

[dr g]

That would be impossible to work with.

I don't know the minimum ohm rating on the DNA200 but I presume it's like the average 0.05ohms.

22 gauge would need like what? 15-25ish wraps for a single coil for a 0.05 that one big ... coil.

That was not speculation.

 

[BlueridgeDog]

That was not speculation.

Curious. Do you an image of the build or other information? I can't get to anything buildable with steam engine with 22 gauge nickel unless it has carrier strand of some sort.