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After dealing with the DNA40 for about a month now, I thought I'd post my personal thoughts and opinions about it.
I'm sure some of what I say will get some peoples panties in a bunch, but again this is my thoughts and opinions based personal experience while dealing with the DNA40.

First I'm going to use the word IF.
Because IF you get a good board (crap shoot), and IF manage to get a good Ni200 coil build (PITA) and get said coil wicked properly without totally hosing up your coil, and IF you can get all of that to work in conjunction consistently, every time you hit the fire button it's a wonderful vaping experience.

But the sad truth is that's a lot of unnecessary IF's and its my opinion that the DNA40 is not yet ready for mainstream use, and certainly not ready for the average end user, I agree with Robert Ellis that Evolv, and the beta test team screwed the pooch on this one big time, and rushed a product out prematurely, that honestly should still be behind closed doors in intensive beta testing, IMO was rushed out 3-6 months prematurely.

Where is Evolv in all of this? why hasn't Evolv made any public statements since the release, the answer is Evolv is now in damage control mode, not only to end users, but venders, and mod manufacturers, and it did not have to be this way, lets just for a moment say the boards that the beta team received didn't have all the issues that the production boards are experiencing QC testing alone should have halted production and release.

I don't know how Evolv does their quality control, but clearly they are lacking in that department, very few if any glitchy should have ever been shipped out.
I would like to think that Evolv has learned from this, and stepped up their quality control, by testing each board before being shipped, yet it is still a crap shoot on if you will receive good board or not, I'm on my third RMA board that I just received directly from Evolv on Thursday 11/20/14 and I soldered in barely 24 hours ago and already I have display anomalies, and glitching, albeit not as bad as the first 2 but is going to have to be replaced yet again, now I'm a tinkerer so it doesn't really bother me to have to keep replacing boards, but the issue is I shouldn't have to be replacing so many boards, nor should you, or venders and mod manufacturers.

It's just bad business to keep repeatedly shipping out untested, unverified boards, Evolv needs to halt production completely, pull and test every board they have on hand right now, cull out the problematic boards, and run test the rest for 48-72 hours before shipping out, and then restart production, pulling and testing a a random cross section of boards and if any of those boards fail then that entire batch needs to be tested, at this point in the game a month after release there should not be any glitching boards leaving Evolv, come on even the Chinese can do better than this, I expect more from a reputable American company.
Instead of posting a Evolv/DNA40 rant, I should be singing Evolv/DNA40 praises, but sadly I can't not at this stage, Evolv you need to wake up and smell the vapor, I'm sure there are many good boards out there doing what they are supposed to do, but it seems to me there are even more that are not.

From a Customer service stand point, every negative feedback is a very bad thing, and could be detrimental for the reputation of a company.

For those of you that are on the fence about getting a DNA40 I would recommend you wait and watch a few months, because there is still too high of a probability that you will have to return your board or device for repairs or replacement, and at this point it would be a crap shoot whether the replacement would be any better.
Here is some pics of random glitching my current replacement board is doing.
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I also get the full scrambled screen glitch which I haven't taken a picture of yet.
 

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It happens... NOONE has had it worse than me... But I've received very kind and attentive customer service... And now have three flawlessly working devices... The tech is ONE MONTH OLD... Get the undies out of a bunch and know that it's getting better... Just be patient... Even the iPhone has many problems (faulty iOS 8.1 not working on all devices, bad boards, bendy boards etc...) and it's a much much more expensive device..


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After dealing with the DNA40 for about a month now, I thought I'd post my personal thoughts and opinions about it.
I'm sure some of what I say will get some peoples panties in a bunch, but again this is my thoughts and opinions based personal experience while dealing with the DNA40.

First I'm going to use the word IF.
Because IF you get a good board (crap shoot), and IF manage to get a good Ni200 coil build (PITA) and get said coil wicked properly without totally hosing up your coil, and IF you can get all of that to work in conjunction consistently, every time you hit the fire button it's a wonderful vaping experience.

But the sad truth is that's a lot of unnecessary IF's and its my opinion that the DNA40 is not yet ready for mainstream use, and certainly not ready for the average end user, I agree with Robert Ellis that Evolv, and the beta test team screwed the pooch on this one big time, and rushed a product out prematurely, that honestly should still be behind closed doors in intensive beta testing, IMO was rushed out 3-6 months prematurely.

Where is Evolv in all of this? why hasn't Evolv made any public statements since the release, the answer is Evolv is now in damage control mode, not only to end users, but venders, and mod manufacturers, and it did not have to be this way, lets just for a moment say the boards that the beta team received didn't have all the issues that the production boards are experiencing QC testing alone should have halted production and release.

I don't know how Evolv does their quality control, but clearly they are lacking in that department, very few if any glitchy should have ever been shipped out.
I would like to think that Evolv has learned from this, and stepped up their quality control, by testing each board before being shipped, yet it is still a crap shoot on if you will receive good board or not, I'm on my third RMA board that I just received directly from Evolv on Thursday 11/20/14 and I soldered in barely 24 hours ago and already I have display anomalies, and glitching, albeit not as bad as the first 2 but is going to have to be replaced yet again, now I'm a tinkerer so it doesn't really bother me to have to keep replacing boards, but the issue is I shouldn't have to be replacing so many boards, nor should you, or venders and mod manufacturers.

It's just bad business to keep repeatedly shipping out untested, unverified boards, Evolv needs to halt production completely, pull and test every board they have on hand right now, cull out the problematic boards, and run test the rest for 48-72 hours before shipping out, and then restart production, pulling and testing a a random cross section of boards and if any of those boards fail then that entire batch needs to be tested, at this point in the game a month after release there should not be any glitching boards leaving Evolv, come on even the Chinese can do better than this, I expect more from a reputable American company.
Instead of posting a Evolv/DNA40 rant, I should be singing Evolv/DNA40 praises, but sadly I can't not at this stage, Evolv you need to wake up and smell the vapor, I'm sure there are many good boards out there doing what they are supposed to do, but it seems to me there are even more that are not.

From a Customer service stand point, every negative feedback is a very bad thing, and could be detrimental for the reputation of a company.

For those of you that are on the fence about getting a DNA40 I would recommend you wait and watch a few months, because there is still too high of a probability that you will have to return your board or device for repairs or replacement, and at this point it would be a crap shoot whether the replacement would be any better.
Here is some pics of random glitching my current replacement board is doing.
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I also get the full scrambled screen glitch which I haven't taken a picture of yet.



I really appreciate people who call it like it is despite the possible blow back , so kudos to you , wish more would do the same but most these days don't want to offend so that doesn't happen much .

I was considering this board for something and if i didn't read this i probably would of picked one up so thanks for the feedback , think i will wait awhile.

I would never pay for a device with a DNA 40 , you can buy the chip for $59.00 and slap it into an enclosure that cost about $20.00 .
 
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Where is evolv? This is evolv's response within 12 hours of me telling them about my bad board:

"This is obviously getting to be a real problem for you, we cannot apologize enough for this inconvenience. I will send you a replacement board today with expedited shipping.

We have recently improved our testing methods so this will not happen in the future."


That's damn good customer service if u ask me...

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I really appreciate people who call it like it is despite the possible blow back , so kudos to you , wish more would do the same but most these days don't want to offend so that doesn't happen much .

I was considering this board for something and if i didn't read this i probably would of picked one up so thanks for the feedback , think i will wait awhile.

All the rev 3 boards (boards that are shipping as of this week) will be olkay


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It happens... NOONE has had it worse than me... But I've received very kind and attentive customer service... And now have three flawlessly working devices... The tech is ONE MONTH OLD... Get the undies out of a bunch and know that it's getting better... Just be patient... Even the iPhone has many problems (faulty iOS 8.1 not working on all devices, bad boards, bendy boards etc...) and it's a much much more expensive device..


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Look Apple can't do QC so why should Evolv? What a stupid standpoint, so you think that a new device should just be shipped with no regard for the customer? So every TV, microwave, washing machine, cooker, fridge.............that I buy I should be perfectly happy that it doesn't work and I have to send it back because it's new?
 

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Look Apple can't do QC so why should Evolv? What a stupid standpoint, so you think that a new device should just be shipped with no regard for the customer? So every TV, microwave, washing machine, cooker, fridge.............that I buy I should be perfectly happy that it doesn't work and I have to send it back because it's new?

No you're stupid hahahah just kidding just kidding... naw man...my point is in my first two words... It happens... Get over your first world problems and be patient


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Happy your satisfied with the situation but please refrain from telling others how they should feel about it. Most expect a lot better from Evolv , i find it funny that they said they have recently improved their testing procedures .

Improved your testing procedures ? Really , i thought Evolv already had the best and most thorough testing procedures , this hurts their rep no question about it .

Most hold Evolv to a higher standard and pay more because of that standard .
 
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Heespharm's attitude raises a question in my mind.
These days CS is poor across the board, but is it bad because people will accept it or do people accept it because it's universally bad? I don't know but I think it's a terrible situation and if people continue to think like he does it's only going to get worse!!!
And before you respond with Evolv has good customer services I'll tell you they don't because no one who cares about their customers sends out goods that they know might be faulty especially as a replacement and most people will accept that they screwed up and have to wait for them to fix it rather than the shady lets send them more crap option.
 

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As far as customer service goes Evolv has been stellar, they hae no problem replacing a board, but the board you get back may be just as bad as the last, never once did Evolv's customer service, or RMA process come into question, just quality control, and beta testing, just outright sucks for Evolv and the DNA40.

How is this product ready for the average Joe in it's current state if it's a coin toss, sometime best 3 out of 5 as to whether it will be a positive vaping experience or ...... off because it spends more time in shipping back and forth than vaping.

Like I said I'm a tinkerer and tester is it's not a big deal for me, but it got me thinking about other guy and him spending $200-$300 on a mod that is suppose to be the latest and greatest and it spends more time being RMA'd than being vaped. and that doesn't set well with anybody.

Again if beta testing and QC had done their job, right now Evolv would be on the top of the world, instead they right now they are in damage control mode, fighting to put out potentially devastating fires all over the world, while trying to figure out what went wrong in the first place.

Here is a great question which is better customer service, catching and scrapping a bad board before it's shipped to the consumer, who will never know, or scrap the board after it has been returned?
RMA once is bad enough but you know crap happens, twice not good at all, third time is a ... and one as to question QC and testing. It's not bad luck for anyone to get 2,3,4 bad boards, its piss poor QC and testing plain and simple.
 

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It's a tough call, sounds like they are trying to make good on the faulty chips. Some of these devices don't glitch or show problems until after a few days of usage. I guess you could check for that with long term testing. I would really think they want all of the faulty boards in hand so they can find a common cause and make the proper manufacturing changes so this is not an ongoing issue. Got a VS rDNA40 yesterday afternoon and an hour later it's a display nightmare. Am I disappointed, F yea, do I expect it to be rectified, absolutly!
 

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I have seen far more people commenting with working boards than I have with problem boards, so to say, "I'm sure there are many good boards out there doing what they are supposed to do, but it seems to me there are even more that are not.", does not seem to be supported, then factor in that satisfied people are just using their device and not saying anything. I received the first batch shipped out by VS and it works great. The nickel wire has been problematic, but that is to be expected, we have not used nickel wire like this. I have it figured out for my use and it works just as well as a common kanthal wire.
 
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Don't agree if you have problems and continue to ship your customer services suck, you can't say they are servicing their customers well if they knowingly are shipping faulty good.

I couldn't agree more, it's one thing to know someone has a bad board but to just pull another off the shelf and send its way without checking that one out to the nth degree........ that's shady at best!
 

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i am torn on this. Many (if not most) of the advanced vapers know that evolv is a high quality company. And yes, I do understand that no matter how high quality anything is, there will be problems. I get that. I also get that vendors such as VS and VF are frustrated that they have to deal with evolv's problem. What I don't get, and what makes me lose a little bit of support for evolv, is the fact that I know several people who have had issues with evolv, sent in their device, gotten it fixed, only to have the same problem out of the box right away. I mean a paying customer, not only has a dud, but has to go through the trouble of fixing the dud, only to get another dud. I find this unacceptable. When a defective product comes into evolv, the replacement should be checked 100% before being fixed and sent out. I myself have 2 friends who are on their 2nd rma. It's not like evolv doesn't know of this problem, but to send out bad boards after being fixed is the issue here.
 
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