I ordered a Boxer mod that uses a SX350j which I should get tomorrow. I ordered the DIY kit because it was $80 cheaper than the built version and I'm not afraid of soldering.
Looking forward to hear what you think about, It looks really cool.
Eric
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Looking forward to hear what you think about, It looks really cool.
Eric
Have to disagree with you on the BT deal @KTMRider , before the exhaustive featureset of the DNA200 I would have agreed though. But I can see the usefulness of BT with this mod and being able to monitor the device and change settings on the fly. Things like being able to remotely monitor charging, change presets like max wattage or rampup time, real-time temp graphs allowing me to fine tune the mod while vaping, change out preset sets for different toppers while out and about, etc. There are just so many possibilities with BT integration of the DNA200 it is mind boggling. But this is mainly because of the amount of data this mod will be able to monitor and control. So yeah, with the right mod that is feature rich, BT would be a compelling and desirable feature from my perspective.
Since I don't even have this board yet I don't know if any of this would be possible, but if it were it would be a 'game changer" to me and I could certainly see, for the first time, a use case for BT integration.
Anything more than heating a coil to vaporize liquid is fluff, IMO. TP is more of a safety feature to prevent harmful by-products so even if it falls under the category of fluff, it was/is a game changer. One of the reasons I bought and built so many DNA40 devices. And I wanted to experience the SX350j so I got the SXM.
Monitoring and adjusting is really cool (one of the reasons I'm really looking forward to the DNA200) but it's still fluff. Doing it by BT is even more cool but still just fluff. Fun for the hobbyist/enthusiast but not much more than fluff for 99% of the vapers out there. Would I like to see BT? Heck yeah. I'm a geek so I'd love to play with it but when it comes down to it, my vape won't really change.
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I think it'll be a LOT more comfortable to hold than the SXM.
Ok, so the real reason I like the SX350j is because of the auto orientation screen. Really
. Vape quality is about the same but using joules is goofy.
Even after all you just said I don't see how you would waste space in a device and add yet another wireless receiver to your laundry list of cancer causing devices in your hands. Another module that drains battery life. Another device to pair, as if lifting up the device and setting it were such a hassle.
There's plenty of user enhancements one can add to a design if a chip supports bluetooth. Unlike DNA200 users, who will have to be tethered to the PC it looks like, bluetooth can allow users to change their settings on the go or share/retrieve them with others at a click of a button.
I wasn't putting those features down. In fact, I wouldn't mind doing it from my phone via BT. I think it'd be pretty cool but a game changer? Not really.
Kinda like people saying the pizza they had was awesome. The aurora borealis is awesome. The view from the top of Mt Everest is awesome. Your pizza last night might be good but it's not awesome.
Tbh I'd rather they improve on temp sensing tech than this nonsense. It's like when Apple gives us NFC connection, but leaves thing like screen and battery life barely a few degrees in technical progress.
Yeah and AH was nothing more than a misunderstood individual.He's always given straight answers. He might not always be cordial but he's never given wrong info.
I tried to stay away from this thread mostly because I didn't have a SX350j to compare to. I bought a SX Mini M last week and used it for less than 3 days before I put it up for sale. The chip isn't bad but it's not better or worse than a DNA40. The reason it's for sale is that the mod is heavy and uncomfortable to hold, IMO. I ordered a Boxer mod that uses a SX350j which I should get tomorrow. I ordered the DIY kit because it was $80 cheaper than the built version and I'm not afraid of soldering
From my short time with the SX350j, it's ok but I prefer my DNA40 devices.
I hope you have great success with both your dna and 350J devices. In the end, as long as we keep off the stinkers, we're winning.
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Tony
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The only way I'd see bluetooth as a good thing would be to exchange temp data between a thermocouple in the atom and the mod itself, without resorting to a new connector type for the 510..
Until then, I definitely don't need it [emoji4]
Hey that's a really good idea.. in principle. But how would you power the Bluetooth chip and the sensor in the tank?
If you have to run a power line to the mod that defeats the benefit. And batteries in a tank? Doesn't sound too appealing..Unless it was combined with wireless power - basically a flat metal panel on top of the mod, which could power a suitable atomizer in close proximity wirelessly. Then the bluetooth kicks in to send the data.
That would indeed allow a normal 510 connection with data and power transfer enabled for compatible in-tank-sensor attys.
No idea if it's cost effective though - wireless power transfer, Bluetooth in both tank and mod. Not that Bluetooth chips are expensive, but it's all extra cost and complexity versus just having a new connector. The wireless power would be the most complex part I guess. It's an interesting idea though - Innokin should think about it
Hey that's a really good idea.. in principle. But how would you power the Bluetooth chip and the sensor in the tank?
Unless it was combined with wireless power - basically a flat metal panel on top of the mod, which could power a suitable atomizer in close proximity wirelessly. Then the bluetooth kicks in to send the data.
That would indeed allow a normal 510 connection with data and power transfer enabled for compatible in-tank-sensor attys.
No idea if it's cost effective though - wireless power transfer, Bluetooth in both tank and mod. Not that Bluetooth chips are expensive, but it's all extra cost and complexity versus just having a new connector. The wireless power would be the most complex part I guess. It's an interesting idea though - Innokin should think about it
It's not a practical idea for one very simple reason - you're adding the cost of the bluetooth chip to every atomizer for the sake of not redesigning the connector. There's nothing all that great about a 510 connector. In some ways, it's actually pretty bad (e.g., the lack of standardization on the pin length), so why bother keeping it.
I agree absolutely that the 510 sucks. I would love to see a general new solution that's easier to use, much less variable and error prone, and includes a generic data/signal system.
The reason to do the above only be backwards compatibility - so that people can use any atomizer on the new mod, and theoretically the new tanks on any old mod (assuming they supply a standard 510 to power the coil.) But that could quite possibly be solved with a simple 510-to-NewConn and back again adapters.
So yeah it's not really worth it.
I discussed the new connector quite a bit in the Innokin Thread - I am still hoping they will step up and try to provide something generic. Not just a proprietary system designed only for their new tanks and mod, but a general system that provides data/signal for any number of different purposes in an atty, and which other manufacturers can use as well to bring out their own range of compatible tanks - and eventually, mods too.
My fear though is that they won't think of the bigger picture and will try and lock it down just for their own use. Which is not to say it can't be cloned/copied. But if they don't try and make it general and generic, it won't see wider adoption as a system for any kind of Smart Atomizer, not just sensor-in-tank.
I had all sorts of ideas for what Smart Atomizers could do - temp sensors as we're already getting; unique IDs in the atty to ID themselves to the mod to allow automatic selection of presets; have motorised air/juice control which can be controlled from and by the mod; motorised "juice selector" for multi-chamber/multi-coil tanks. Loads of things!
Nothing super necessary of course (besides the in-tank temp sensing, perhaps), but could all be good fun and mildly useful on occasion
Especially the powered air/juice control - because then they could make the air/juice rings tighter, with a motor to move them, meaning it would be one or two fewer rings on an atty that would keep getting moved/unscrewed at the wrong time, like when trying to put together or dismantle the tank or when taking it on or off the mod. And you could have presets - press +/- on the mod to adjust the airflow, then when you find it's just right, press "Save" and that's "Airy" or "Tight" or "Best for XYZ Juice" or whatever, choosing quickly between them in future and the mod ensures the last or preferred setting is in place whenever you put the same tank on.
Yes of course it's all more stuff to go wrong and it's not needed, but I for one would pay a bit extra to try it out
And on a more serious note, with upcoming EU regulations requiring daft things like "un-leakable" tanks, it could be one practical way to achieve that - no juice flow at all from a tank until it's on the mod and then the mod moves a motor to open it.
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Tiny id chips have been used for years in the lipo industry for matching a pack to charger settings (Robbe first came out with them I believe).
A small Rf id inductor on the atty side and a reader in the mod would be all that is required to identify an atty and adjust preset settings and no extra writing needed.
The rest... Like a temperature sensor... would indeed need an extra connection.
Regards
Tony
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A small Rf id inductor on the atty side and a reader in the mod would be all that is required to identify an atty and adjust preset settings and no extra writing needed.
The rest... Like a temperature sensor... would indeed need an extra connection.
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Tony
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I agree absolutely that the 510 sucks. I would love to see a general new solution that's easier to use, much less variable and error prone, and includes a generic data/signal system.
The reason to do the above only be backwards compatibility - so that people can use any atomizer on the new mod, and theoretically the new tanks on any old mod (assuming they supply a standard 510 to power the coil.) But that could quite possibly be solved with a simple 510-to-NewConn and back again adapters.
So yeah it's not really worth it.
I discussed the new connector quite a bit in the Innokin Thread - I am still hoping they will step up and try to provide something generic. Not just a proprietary system designed only for their new tanks and mod, but a general system that provides data/signal for any number of different purposes in an atty, and which other manufacturers can use as well to bring out their own range of compatible tanks - and eventually, mods too.
My fear though is that they won't think of the bigger picture and will try and lock it down just for their own use. Which is not to say it can't be cloned/copied. But if they don't try and make it general and generic, it won't see wider adoption as a system for any kind of Smart Atomizer, not just sensor-in-tank.
I had all sorts of ideas for what Smart Atomizers could do - temp sensors as we're already getting; unique IDs in the atty to ID themselves to the mod to allow automatic selection of presets; have motorised air/juice control which can be controlled from and by the mod; motorised "juice selector" for multi-chamber/multi-coil tanks. Loads of things!
Nothing super necessary of course (besides the in-tank temp sensing, perhaps), but could all be good fun and mildly useful on occasion
Especially the powered air/juice control - because then they could make the air/juice rings tighter, with a motor to move them, meaning it would be one or two fewer rings on an atty that would keep getting moved/unscrewed at the wrong time, like when trying to put together or dismantle the tank or when taking it on or off the mod. And you could have presets - press +/- on the mod to adjust the airflow, then when you find it's just right, press "Save" and that's "Airy" or "Tight" or "Best for XYZ Juice" or whatever, choosing quickly between them in future and the mod ensures the last or preferred setting is in place whenever you put the same tank on.
Yes of course it's all more stuff to go wrong and it's not needed, but I for one would pay a bit extra to try it out
I strongly suspect we'll see a new connector from Innokin. It's possible to do a thermocouple-based heater with two wires, but it's a more complex design. With a four wire approach, everything is easier to do.
I agree that an RFID makes more sense than bluetooth, but to do temperature sensing correctly you also need cold-junction compensation circuitry. I'd agree though that having a mod be able to recognize the atty would be useful, but do you really need RFID to do that? If the next-gen connector is standardized such that the atomizer lines up in a defined position, one can easily add wires as needed to support such a capability.
Does anyone know if the DNA200 will actually work on its release? Considering Evolvs track record with the DNA40 released Oct 2014 5 different retail versions and 8-9 months since its launch. Why are we still seeing the scrambled screen problem? The explanation and fix in the manual is surely only valid when the problem was discovered not any subsequent 'fixed' versions of the board?
Why does the problem only occur in temp mode?
Has Evolv continued to sell janky DNA40s for 8 months simply to save its bacon and fund the DNA200?
Given Evolv's track record since October 2014 can anyone believe the DNA200 will work?
Can any Evolv beta testers tell us of any bugs in the DNA200 so I don't have to be .....in in 8 months as they weren't fixed?
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Why does the problem only occur in temp mode?
Has Evolv continued to sell janky DNA40s for 8 months simply to save its bacon and fund the DNA200?
Given Evolv's track record since October 2014 can anyone believe the DNA200 will work?
Can any Evolv beta testers tell us of any bugs in the DNA200 so I don't have to be .....in in 8 months as they weren't fixed?
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