Do all 801's suck? or is it just mine?

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RenaissancePuffer

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I feel the biggest problem with the penstyle atty's are there are so many different brands of compatible parts. Some are better than others, and some work better in conjunction with other parts from other manufacturers (specifically certain brand carts with certain brand attys).

I use two different brand penstyle atty's and get extremely different performance from each of them, and they each have their own little issues.

One of these days I'm going to try the BE112 atty's that everyone seems to rave about, but I am curious about the 201's and the 302's as well.
 

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I don't like 801 atomizers, but I love RN4072 atomizers. The one I am using now is well over three months old and still working prefectly.

I never had a true 801 last more than about 2 weeks and have had a number of them that just refuse to wick properly.

Totally-Wicked sells the RN's - I'd suggest trying one before you give up on the pen-style.
 

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I've used nothing but 801 carts since after a month with an NPro. First a penstyle and then Janty Stick. I would recommend nothing but the 801's. Capacity is the highest of any. Atomizers, I prefer the low-bridge. But there are no secrets, except that whatever your 'filler' or wick is, must have just the correct density, 'nother words, it has to hold the liquid, but also has to alow enough room between the fibers for the atty to pull down more juice, in a 'wicking' manner, it can't be packed in too tight.....I use wool felt as a filler, but doesn't matter which you use. It must be exactly the right density or you will have trouble.
If you have to puff too hard, pull some of the fibers out, little at a time until it's just right. You can tell by the amount of vapor. Too thin, you need to refill more often and risk flooding the atty, so change it with a proper one.
Battery/atty connection must be tight and dry. When you push your cart in (And I do mean push/pull, NEVER TWIST IT IN AND OUT) the filler only must be touching the bridge for correct draw. Don't allow the white plastic to touch the bridge.

TO GUAGE CORRECT CART LENGTH: I use a piece of folded paper a 1/4 inch wide, place it on the bridge and then crease it where the edge of the atty hits it. Then measure your cart from the ridge on the mouthpiece to the end of the cart. I'll make you a bet, your cart is either too short, or too long.
(Nothing is standardized, dealer to dealer) If the cart is too short, simply pull the wicking out of the holder a bit to give you the right length, plus a little for play. Cart should be well wetted but not puddled. If the cart is too long, (plastic part touches the bridge) then cut off and 1/8th of an inch of the cart holder with a small sharp scissors. Pull the wicking just past the edge of the cart holder. OH: line up the wide part of the cart with the direction of the bridge. Alignment of those two can be critical as well. (check 1 o'clock bridge, insert cart at the same angle, 1 0'clock.)
I can guarantee with loooong, gentle puffs you will have no problems at all. A lot of people puff way too hard, pulls more juice from the atty than it can heat. Good vapor produced by length of time atty is engaged, gently puffing clear up until cut-off, you'll have tons of vapor with a good flavor.The reason you should never twist a cart into any atty is because of the shape of the bridge. Twisting will give the bridge the action of a lever, will push the filler material up and away from it, or at the very least snag filler material into the mesh. That cuts air flow.
And of course, fillers have to be replaced occasionally, they get 'felted' and bunched, just dirty from juice residue. That cuts down on wicking ability.
I've used a Janty Stick since June, and the only time there's trouble is 1)atty is fouled up, replace it and don't forget to "prime" it with a few drops of your juice, don't start out dry!! 2) Cart filler bunched up or dirty, replace it. 3)atty not sufficiently tightened onto battery connection.
I can sit here at the PC and puff away for a couple hours with one cartful, good vapor and flavor throughout.
 
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new fully filled carts and 2 puffs later it tastes burnt like crazy. let it sit for about 5 minutes and 1 more puff before it tastes burnt again. i pulled the ptb out of a fresh filled cart after 4-5 good drags and it was damn near dry. do the 801's normally suck up that much juice? my 510 as everyone knows has a much smaller cart but it lasts so much longer than this new 801 i just got. can someone please shed a little light on this for me?

I got a bunch from east mall that are the same way. They burn out before the primer goes away. One lasted a week with that nasty taste. It never went away and made me cough alot.
 

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Primer fluids should burn off quickly, 10 puffs or so (MAKE THEM LOOOONG PUFFS), but you still have to 'prime' with your juice, then just puff a few times without inhaling. Within a very short time the primer taste should go away and your juice flavor will prevail. But the 'burning' taste is again probably the cart is too long: you shouldn't taste anything but juice is your cart is shortened just a bit and the 'filler' brought out past the cart edge. If it still pushes back the wicking cut some more off the cart. (High bridge attys are a vile nuisance if you ask me, but they will work with some cart modification as in my post above.) Just remember to take long, gentle puffs for the best vapor. Let the atty heat as long as possible. Puffing too hard will cause leaking of too much juice from the cart.
801's are no different from using any other atty/cart combination, just bigger.
 
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Primer fluids should burn off quickly, 10 puffs or so (MAKE THEM LOOOONG PUFFS), but you still have to 'prime' with your juice, then just puff a few times without inhaling. Within a very short time the primer taste should go away and your juice flavor will prevail. But the 'burning' taste is again probably the cart is too long: you shouldn't taste anything but juice is your cart is shortened just a bit and the 'filler' brought out past the cart edge. If it still pushes back the wicking cut some more off the cart. (High bridge attys are a vile nuisance if you ask me, but they will work with some cart modification as in my post above.) Just remember to take long, gentle puffs for the best vapor. Let the atty heat as long as possible. Puffing too hard will cause leaking of too much juice from the cart.
801's are no different from using any other atty/cart combination, just bigger.

They are low bridge atomizers, but when I slip in my cart and pull it out there are dark grains of something. I've picked them out with tweezers. They are about the size of grains of sand except black. All 10 of the 801's I got from east mall have them.
Do you think there's a chance of boiling them out?
 

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I love my 801's ..

The draw is not so airy, like the 510's, but nice and slow, with thick vapor that rolls out of the mouth and nose like its being poured out. The battery life is almost acceptable, compared to the stock 510's, which never last.
While I occasionally use carts w/wicking material, I like to use just the mouthpiece/tips without a cart attached (to avoid tailpiping) with 2-3 drops in the atty. Lasts for at 'least' an analog cig's worth of vaping before the taste and vapor begin to fade. (then add 3 more drops) I keep a little 3mL DIY bottle handy for touchups. (Some homebrew double chocolate juice with TW menthol added is the kitty's meow!) It seems to keep the atty constantly moist, saves juice, no leaks, and no burnt taste. (If ever I do taste even a hint of dry/burnt, it's time to add more drops.)

I have tried the straw mods on the 801 carts, but it seems when you have a cart that can hold 20-30 drops of juice, the straw works two ways. Yes, it allow air to escape during refilling, so that you can really top em' off, but it also allows air in during use, seems to let it drain out faster, occasionally flooding the atty, and getting messy. I have only experienced this with the polyfill, and haven't tried the PTB yet.

Since the penstyle has been around forever, there seem to be a wide variety of brands and parts that work and interchange with them. I suppose the only negative I have is that the bridge and functional parts of the atty are so deep down in the tube, that it makes it more difficult to inspect and clean, which I almost never do anyway, and I've not retired a single 801 atty to date.

Some of the attys, depending on hole design, are a harder draw then others. Not a 'suck in your cheeks' draw, but a naturally long slow draw. I think some restriction on airflow helps to produce the nice thick vapor I enjoy, and that I never seem to get out of the 510's with the usual 4 battery notches I have on mine where they screw together. I will experiment with the BE112s and others to see if they perform differently.

Lastly, even with the adding drops method, I seem to get a more consistent vapor out of the 801s than I do with the 510s. It seems that once you get the air/juice mix just right on the 510s, its almost the end of the ride, and it quickly begins to fade down. Perhaps that is due to the smaller size of the 510s atty.

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CDMCFUD,Don't think the bits would boil out, but you could maybe give them a bath in some EverClear or Vodka, let them soak a day or so then shake out what you can. That may be pieces of mesh that have broken off also, I've had that happen as well. I don't think the bits are harmful, but a sure sign the atty is getting elderly. Sorry, darned things do that!
I give mine an alcohol bath when they start to feel sluggish, I'm using VG with tobacco absolutes,caramel and hazelnut flavorings, and I do think the un-vaporized juice does get thicker after a couple days, a good shaking out with grain alcohol seems to clear them. Then I just rinse them well and blow them out good, no need to dry, but do re-prime with a couple good drops of juice and ready to go again. The everclear is 95% alcohol, Vodka about 70% ?? Seems to liven them up again. This proceedure works for excessive primer in new attys, too. I've had a few (China) that were really soaked in it, and it is awful tasting stuff. We should request a different flavor!
 
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