DO or CAN Ego/Twist/Spinners/Whatever have this voltage problem?

[TheJakeBailey]

Well, the shop that I used to go to only had one mod or so they use to use to let people test (I forgot which one it was, it was some sort of battery mod I believe), but I kept taking time out of my day to go down there and have polite discussions with them as to why my devices weren't working, and after just getting extremely rude attitudes from the employees, and the employees eventually being caught stealing money from me (not giving me advertised sales and discounts and refusing to refund the money after the mistakes were caught, selling me cheaper, lesser branded or clone items specifically marketed as name brand items and refusing returns or exchanges) I filed a report with them with the BBB and had a few choice words for them, so I'm not headed back there any time soon.

There's a new shop opening up at the end of the month and talking with one of the managers at a different location, they seem to know their stuff a little better (the first shop didn't know anything about vaping, and the employees didn't even vape), as they sell all sorts of RDA gear (multiple types of silica, ecowool, three different gauges of kanthal, ect ect). The manager was also pretty open about his experiences and told me that he really only vapes cartotanks if not rebuilding, so he seemed generally honest (though, you have to watch out - a new marketing trend with vendors is to automatically recommend cartoanks and RDA's if any customer virtually has any problem; if the vendors really stood behind the opinion, they wouldn't sell the crappy stuff, especially the outdated stuff from 2009, and advertise it as "the best vape ever".) So I'm hoping with that, that this new vendor may actually have some mods to try out and allow me to slap some of my own devices on there.

And with my battery, I'm not really sure of the specifics - it was tested at the first shop, again, by employees who didn't seem to know a rats fart from its burp, and they were the ones taking it behind the counter and doing whatever with it. I probably need a second opinion on it though, because this first shop was probably the shadiest business in my town - literally, I was trying clearomizer flavors out one day, and I specifically asked which ohm'd heads they were using for them, and the employee told me, straight to my face, "Sorry, but I don't need to check that, they work fine no matter what heads we use." and refused to even look at a few of the heads that you can clearly see inside the cleaos. The whole time, it was like they wanted to purposely withhold any important information from me in order for me to buy more junk.

Also, when one of the employees stole money from me, I specifically talked to the owner, and he said, straight to my face, "Sorry, I can't give you a store credit (which is all I asked for), what's done is done." and turned his back on me and walked away.

Thank goodness though, the shop is quickly becoming the laughing stock of the town, every customer that walks in there ends up screaming and yelling at them (I was the nicest customer in there, imagine that!) and the employees were utterly careless and hateful. They repeated the same line to every customer, "This (clone) here gives such awesome flavor, and this (clone) here gives such a throat hit, it is just 'mmm-mmm' good! Perfection!" They were literally selling 650mah cloned Ego batteries at $25 a pop. Ridiculous.

Anyway yeah, way off topic, but yeah, hopefully I can get some more definate proof soon as to what the real issue going on here is, with the clearomizer experiences. From trying out like a dozen CE4/5's, the PTII, the Aro, the iClear 30, the Aspire, multiple non-brand dripping atties, all that good stuff, and only getting a good vape on the 3.5ohm Cisco and one rare CE4, I just am really starting to consider there's a bigger explanation than "all this stuff could just be junk." There is no way that it could be explained by simply saying everyone's walking around with a number tongue, or that I'm doing something wrong across like 20 devices and then 30 different heads on top of that. More than just two would have worked no matter if I was breaking every single vaping rule!

Translation service activated: I behaved the same way at the shop that I act here, but they have keys... and a door... and now I'm not allowed to go back inside. Hopefully the guy opening the new shop doesn't talk to the guy at the old shop, or send him my picture or something.
Translation service ended:

Two things I'm curious about. What magical device was the B&M attaching to to these magical testing clearo's? Now granted, I've not been at this as long as yourself, and I admit that freely, and of my own volition. I've probably only been to 10 or so B&M's, and they were all right here in the Austin area, so take that into consideration, (might just be an Austin thing.) but all of them have been running plain old ego batteries or worse as testers. Is there a shop in your neck of the woods handing out Provaris to test clearos with? That would be AWESOME! Though I'm guessing that 75% of the business just uses a plain old ego type (like yours) and gets along just fine with it, so that's probably what they should test with. But that's just me, and you know how I am. I'm certainly not smart enough to run my own businesses and such things. I can barely figure out this picture/word box, much less this smoking stick.

Question 2. It seems that you have had many issues across the spectrum, and over a long period of time. Did you never take your battery to the store and try it on their clearo as part of your controlled, scientific, proven and trustworthy testing method? I mean, before you gave them the GoodNews boot...of course. I assumed (and you know what they say about that) that based on your previous posts, everything about your battery was tip top, and working scientifically perfectly. I'm pretty sure I saw a bunch of people suggest checking that, and that is what you told them. I'm probably wrong. My memory and what not. Well, it's just not what it used to be.

Anyway. Like I said before, it's probably me and not you. disregard.

 

[catalinaflyer]

Two things I'm curious about. What magical device was the B&M attaching to to these magical testing clearo's? Now granted, I've not been at this as long as yourself, and I admit that freely, and of my own volition. I've probably only been to 10 or so B&M's, and they were all right here in the Austin area, so take that into consideration, (might just be an Austin thing.) but all of them have been running plain old ego batteries or worse as testers. Is there a shop in your neck of the woods handing out Provaris to test clearos with? That would be AWESOME! Though I'm guessing that 75% of the business just uses a plain old ego type (like yours) and gets along just fine with it, so that's probably what they should test with. But that's just me, and you know how I am. I'm certainly not smart enough to run my own businesses and such things. I can barely figure out this picture/word box, much less this smoking stick.

Question 2. It seems that you have had many issues across the spectrum, and over a long period of time. Did you never take your battery to the store and try it on their clearo as part of your controlled, scientific, proven and trustworthy testing method? I mean, before you gave them the GoodNews boot...of course. I assumed (and you know what they say about that) that based on your previous posts, everything about your battery was tip top, and working scientifically perfectly. I'm pretty sure I saw a bunch of people suggest checking that, and that is what you told them. I'm probably wrong. My memory and what not. Well, it's just not what it used to be.

I'm not going to sift through a "library of congress" size of posts to find the one in particular but GN stated at one time that he does in fact take his "trusted" spinner type battery to the B&M and abuse their clearo's with it. In fact he states they have taken so much of his money that he is entitled to "turn it up" in an attempt to burn up the clearo's.

But then he turns 180 degrees, talks about the shops battery and wondering if his is the problem.

I'm beginning to think this GN person has a gas station APV and hasn't got a clue about vaping. In fact listening to his description of the B&M, it sounds like a pop-up display in a gas station. He's all excited in anticipation of the "new" B&M because they are going to have 3 sizes of Kanthal and some silica. I have 9 (counted yesterday) sizes and types of resistance wire, at least 5 sizes of Ekowool, some silica, 3 grades of SS mesh and the list goes on. I'm imagining the new B&M shop in GN's town that is a closet much like the back alley closets in Jamaica selling herbal therapy, a 4' x 8' with a Dutch door and a rasta running it.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Mr catalinaflyer I must respectfully ask you to read mr GoodNews post again sir. He clearly said that shady business was stealing his money and selling him faulty products. He reported them to the authorities, and thus CHOOSES to no longer partake of their faulty wares. I see nowhere that it says he was asked not to come in anymore, or that they no longer would accept his coin. Let the record thus be corrected.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Please don't take this the wrong way...
1. Recommending carto/tanks or rebuildables would make perfect sense to someone who's no longer satisfied with the performance of a cheap, entry level, disposable clearo. I don't think its a underhanded way to rip people off.

2. These crooks started a BUSINESS. They have bills to pay, families to feed....Repeat business is what keeps these businesses on the map. Selling higher quality devices that perform better makes better business sense than spending all day with you reading ohms and analyzing a $1 clearo with you. It was nice of them to check your battery....what did they charge you for that service ? My gut tells me that they want you to get a satisfying vape more than anyone on the planet.

3. After 4 years, you have obviously outgrown the cheap clearo and crappy battery. Why continue fighting it. Doing the math in my head, with what you've wasted on cheap clearos, pro tanks, aspire heads, kanger heads.....you could have a pretty sweet set up that does what you want it to do.

Cut your losses. We've all suggested cartos, new mod, more Ciscos(they seemed to work for you)... some even suggested rbas. (Im not one of them...too advanced) Save up for a minute and follow the natural progression. If what you have isn't working for you, try something else. Stubbornness, pride and ego can be very frustrating....not to mention expensive.

 

[Baditude]

Cut your losses. We've all suggested cartos, new mod, more Ciscos(they seemed to work for you)... some even suggested rbas. (Im not one of them...too advanced) Save up for a minute and follow the natural progression. If what you have isn't working for you, try something else. Stubbornness, pride and ego can be very frustrating....not to mention expensive.

This, 100%.

 

[Don Robertson]

Well, I've had my battery tested with a multimeter, and the only odd thing that was found (depending on the charge) was that at 3.3V's, it was outputting 3.1V's, and at 4.8V's, it was outputting either 4.6V's or 5.0V's, I forgot what the shop said. It was almost dead though for that time it was checked, so I figured the oddities were normal with a low battery.

Your statement in your OP pretty much answers your query about your battery having a defect or suffered damage when dropped. "And I know that I've never had a bad vape when trying out someone else's battery mod. Have no clue why. I was sitting here pondering why all the juice tests at the shops taste great, and then a thought suddenly hit me - everything there was vaped on a big mod!

Testing a battery that is nearly DISCHARGED proves what? The numbers don't seem (to me) to support the battery being DISCHARGED. Are you certain it was is this an assumption. The battery putting the highest voltages (4.6 and/or 5.0) doesn't seem possible. Perhaps am misunderstanding something - it happens a lot for me.

GOOD HITS on another battery = That battery is working as specified??
BAD HITS on your battery = Issue with battery??
DISCHARGED BATTERY putting out voltage typically only available from CHARGED battery? If the battery is low while it may supply the voltage (via regulation) for a brief moment I do no not believe that regulated or not that it will continually supply the voltage AND amperage required by the coil for very long if the discharge rate (amperage) is constant. = Not logical to me at all.

A business selling known defective products? Not in their best interest. Authorities? Batteries fail and a suspicion one was deliberately sold a bad battery or a knockoff is a stretch. Was the CLONE situation know to you at the time?? If so - why buy?? Something is missing in this story, but without going beyond simple questions, I'll leave this alone.

Senile Old Man Don

 

[catalinaflyer]

A business selling known defective products? Not in their best interest. Authorities? Batteries fail and a suspicion one was deliberately sold a bad battery or a knockoff is a stretch. Was the CLONE situation know to you at the time?? If so - why buy?? Something is missing in this story, but without going beyond simple questions, I'll leave this alone.

Senile Old Man Don

When you have several days to kill and nothing better to do (I'm going to advise some headache medicine first) go to his profile and start reading since day 1. If you can make sense of it all, come up with the missing piece of the stories and provide a Cliff Notes version of the timeline we would all be grateful.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

At the end of the day OP, your Spinners are disposable products. Eventually, all batteries fail or otherwise malfunction. Just get another device, preferably one that reads ohms. I've run across a couple of coils that should have been standard resistance, but read as low resistence. As my device is usually set in variable watt mode, it adjusted itself accordingly and I've never burnt a coil within a couple of puffs. Better devices that read ohms aren't too much expensive. If the $40 for the MVP is too much, try the either the iTaste VV v3 or the Mega Ego 1300 mAh VV v3. I believe those are both in the $25 range, and both have VV, VW and an ohm reader (have not used the Ego one myself). I believe your spinners were somewhere in that price range as well, were they not? If not, they were what, $8 cheaper? If something doesn't work one way, you have to look for another way. You can't just keep doing the same, and expecting different results. You keep trying all these clearos and they keep burning for you where they work for others. I'm assuming you buy them from different vendors as well, so we can rule out each and every one of them being clones, right? And you like the taste of your friends clearos, and they use the same juice with the same PG/VG ratio? Then it's time for a new device.

 

[catalinaflyer]

Cut your losses. We've all suggested cartos, new mod, more Ciscos(they seemed to work for you)... some even suggested rbas. (Im not one of them...too advanced) Save up for a minute and follow the natural progression. If what you have isn't working for you, try something else. Stubbornness, pride and ego can be very frustrating....not to mention expensive.

I even extended an olive branch, offered up a real VV/VW mod along with battery, charger and dripper with tip just so he could move on from disposable clearo's. Not only did I get a slap on the hand from the mod's he never even responded but he did go on and on post after post asking for the "vape gear fairy" to "give" him something. Then he suggested that if someone did give him something that they would fill it with fecal matter. At that point I lost any shred of respect and continue to violate Rule #8 simply because his posts violate that same rule almost every time against every member.

--Rant Begin (and another Rule #8 infration)--
I'm no vape shop/vendor/supplier/manufacturer employee, have absolutely no interest in any of that in any shape or form but I have met more people happy with clearo's from every walk of life with probably every taste pallet imaginable. Yet because I say that I'm immediately branded as uneducated, unsophisticated, an employee trying to pump up my products etc. Heck he even admits he still smokes analogues yet has the pallet of the most highly respected wine sommelier. How is that possible???
--Rant over--

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

Heck he even admits he still smokes analogues yet has the pallet of the most highly respected wine sommelier.
--Rant over--

That is why he isn't happy with vaping. There is no replacement therapy for an addiction that will ever be as satisfying as the addiction itself. Not without the will to make it work.

 

[r77r7r]

Didn't read thread, but here's good data on the performance of the Twist. If needed.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...view-joyetech-ego-c-twist-torture-review.html


Info on Twist performance-
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/joye-510/65055-battery-voltages-surprise-77.html#post6571242

 

[Caridwen]

Moved to ego discussion

 

[GoodNews!]

Ya'll just need to calm down.

I literally have forgotten if they let me test my battery on their clearos. It was months ago. If they did, and the clearos worked fine, then it proves the rest of clearos they sold me were junk. If I didn't test out their clearos on my battery, which I don't remember if I did or didn't, then that's why I suddenly thought of the possibility my battery may be an issue.

Concerning if the battery was low on power, that makes no difference. I at least saw the employees twist the knob and halfway test the junk. Even if the battery was almost dead, it'd still power above 4.2V's if twisted up that high (I think it tends to cap around there), and that'd back up my statement that I was unsure if they told me it was outputting 4.6V's or 5.0V's. I forgot what they said.

When I said that I purposely tried to get their clearomizers to burn and couldn't accomplish it, I was doing it with their own battery. There was one time that they used a Spinner battery (out of like 5 times), and on that particular day, I noticed the clearos were slightly drier in taste, slightly. But either way, I never could manage to get a bad vape out of them no matter how hard I tried. At that point, the store had already stolen over $30 from me from employees not honoring advertised prices and putting the money in their own pocket, and charging $1 for every time I participated at the juice testing (and once charged me an extra $1 just because I walked out the door to get my phone and came back in!) so yes, I felt right in performing "extensive" tests on their clearos when they weren't particularly paying attention.

And by all defaults, my Spinner battery has never caused any "technical issues" like not firing or not staying charged, so I do trust it more or less. Again, I'm not so sure the battery is the problem, and this whole thread is just a discussion to see what possibilities are out there. I had it checked twice by this store, to my education, I trusted it after that.

Oh, and I wasn't banned from the shop, quite the opposite, I banned them from stealing money from me using unethical business practices. I don't care who's family they have to feed, I'm not going to refrain from calling the cops on someone who breaks in my house because they need to feed the kids they shouldn't have had. Not my problem and I don't work to pay for that. I don't believe any vendor should literally steal money or conduct fraud, or even just sell crappy products to people who are just trying to vape. It's fraud is what it is, and I just don't agree with it in the industry. If someone needs an ohm checker to make sure that each of the non-refundable cleaormizers they buy aren't actually 0.8ohms, then the vendor needs to at least say.

This shop specifically sold clones that were marketed as name brand products. This vendor specifically sold lesser brand or cheaper products to customers saying that they were one brand or model when they were in fact another. This vendor stole money and conducted advertising fraud. This vendor discriminated against me in attitude concerning my racial heritage and was treating other customers with more attention and respect (as I had done nothing to this point other than ask for explainations as to why my clearomizers were tasting "burnt"). I don't tolerate that any more than I tolerate bimbos on this forum. I've reported people on here and I report business in my town that try to run schemes and frauds.

And it wasn't some gas station, that's silly. Ya'll will make up any old thing to discredit me. This was a vaping shop, complete with fake ferns and furniture and a billion juice testers and glass cases, all of that. It was just a dishonest shop monopolizing on being the only shop in town. They didn't want to take responsibility for any of their criminal actions, and I finally had to show them that they won't get away with manipulating vaper's with addictions and emotional desperation to quit cigs, and I reported them. If they didn't want that, they should have learned that this is America and not Pakistan where regulations and laws on businesses are more lax.

I'm an old fashioned guy and I don't appreciate fraud. Anyone else who doesn't agree needs to learn this too; businesses and people didn't operate like this in my day and I don't accept this whole "businesses should be able to rip people off if the person isn't an expert in the product their buying simply because the business has to feed their kids" bull malarky. I tell things how they are and that's why I started my reviews in the first place. That's what people did in my day. If you bought a television from your local trusted electronics store, and it wouldn't turn on when you took it home, they returned it and gave you a new one, they didn't go on and on about how "Well, we can't give you a refund because you breathed air on it, and because our products never ever have faults, we will need to see proof of your expertise as a electrician and television maker for you to have any chance at getting a refund." Vaping vendors usually give this explaination to a tee.

*Not all, but most. I have had some great vendor experiences, after all.

 

[HawaiiVPR]

Ya'll just need to calm down.

I literally have forgotten if they let me test my battery on their clearos. It was months ago. If they did, and the clearos worked fine, then it proves the rest of clearos they sold me were junk. If I didn't test out their clearos on my battery, which I don't remember if I did or didn't, then that's why I suddenly thought of the possibility my battery may be an issue.

Concerning if the battery was low on power, that makes no difference. I at least saw the employees twist the knob and halfway test the junk. Even if the battery was almost dead, it'd still power above 4.2V's if twisted up that high (I think it tends to cap around there), and that'd back up my statement that I was unsure if they told me it was outputting 4.6V's or 5.0V's. I forgot what they said.

When I said that I purposely tried to get their clearomizers to burn and couldn't accomplish it, I was doing it with their own battery. There was one time that they used a Spinner battery (out of like 5 times), and on that particular day, I noticed the clearos were slightly drier in taste, slightly. But either way, I never could manage to get a bad vape out of them no matter how hard I tried. At that point, the store had already stolen over $30 from me from employees not honoring advertised prices and putting the money in their own pocket, and charging $1 for every time I participated at the juice testing (and once charged me an extra $1 just because I walked out the door to get my phone and came back in!) so yes, I felt right in performing "extensive" tests on their clearos when they weren't particularly paying attention.

And by all defaults, my Spinner battery has never caused any "technical issues" like not firing or not staying charged, so I do trust it more or less. Again, I'm not so sure the battery is the problem, and this whole thread is just a discussion to see what possibilities are out there. I had it checked twice by this store, to my education, I trusted it after that.

Oh, and I wasn't banned from the shop, quite the opposite, I banned them from stealing money from me using unethical business practices. I don't care who's family they have to feed, I'm not going to refrain from calling the cops on someone who breaks in my house because they need to feed the kids they shouldn't have had. Not my problem and I don't work to pay for that. I don't believe any vendor should literally steal money or conduct fraud, or even just sell crappy products to people who are just trying to vape. It's fraud is what it is, and I just don't agree with it in the industry. If someone needs an ohm checker to make sure that each of the non-refundable cleaormizers they buy aren't actually 0.8ohms, then the vendor needs to at least say.

This shop specifically sold clones that were marketed as name brand products. This vendor specifically sold lesser brand or cheaper products to customers saying that they were one brand or model when they were in fact another. This vendor stole money and conducted advertising fraud. This vendor discriminated against me in attitude concerning my racial heritage and was treating other customers with more attention and respect (as I had done nothing to this point other than ask for explainations as to why my clearomizers were tasting "burnt"). I don't tolerate that any more than I tolerate bimbos on this forum. I've reported people on here and I report business in my town that try to run schemes and frauds.

And it wasn't some gas station, that's silly. Ya'll will make up any old thing to discredit me. This was a vaping shop, complete with fake ferns and furniture and a billion juice testers and glass cases, all of that. It was just a dishonest shop monopolizing on being the only shop in town. They didn't want to take responsibility for any of their criminal actions, and I finally had to show them that they won't get away with manipulating vaper's with addictions and emotional desperation to quit cigs, and I reported them. If they didn't want that, they should have learned that this is America and not Pakistan where regulations and laws on businesses are more lax.

I'm an old fashioned guy and I don't appreciate fraud. Anyone else who doesn't agree needs to learn this too; businesses and people didn't operate like this in my day and I don't accept this whole "businesses should be able to rip people off if the person isn't an expert in the product their buying simply because the business has to feed their kids" bull malarky. I tell things how they are and that's why I started my reviews in the first place. That's what people did in my day. If you bought a television from your local trusted electronics store, and it wouldn't turn on when you took it home, they returned it and gave you a new one, they didn't go on and on about how "Well, we can't give you a refund because you breathed air on it, and because our products never ever have faults, we will need to see proof of your expertise as a electrician and television maker for you to have any chance at getting a refund." Vaping vendors usually give this explaination to a tee.

*Not all, but most. I have had some great vendor experiences, after all.

Doesn't sound like an ethical vendor from your account; criminal, dishonest, racist, junk selling, money stealing fraudulent shop... Wow, now that's a place people need to stay clear from. Its a good thing you banned them from stealing any more money. What is the name of this establishment??

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Mr GoodNews! I for one applaud your valiant efforts to rid this great nation of ours of scalawags and scoundrels. I find the actions of the vendor aristocracy repulsive, nay even heinous, and its consumer advocates such as yourself that will someday free us from the shackles of ruffians such as these. My one wish in this life is to have more of myself to give to the cause. I would like nothing more than to vanquish the foul mouthed malarkey spewers myself, mark my words. But alas, tis not to be. I find myself fully consumed with a freshly primed and tanked carto, spewing forth its vapor at a perfect 8.5 watts, and thus, regretfully, here I shall remain. Carry on without me in they noble quest, and know that I cheer you on from afar.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Are you seriously going to play the race card because you can't figure out how to use a $1 clearomizer? That's absolutely AWESOME!!! By far, the funniest post I've ever read!

 

[catalinaflyer]

I'm going to have to break out the laptop for this one, the iPad just isn't going to have the computing power. (I feel another reporting and rule 8 infraction('s) coming my way) Back in a little while.

 

[_Lee]

From what I have seen, a lot of online vendors do not warranty their cheaper products. Except for a DOA, that is the only warranty you get. If you do decide to purchase from them again, try it in the store before you leave.

 

[FearTX]

Ya'll just need to calm down.

Darned windmills knocking me off my horse.

Easy now tiger, give that horse a rest.

 

[Asbestos4004]

I wish there were more bimbos on this forum. I love bimbos. I encourage all bimbos to participate. Bimbos are great. Bimbos are people too. I, for one, refuse to participate in the discrimination of Bimbos. You, sir, should report yourself for your blatant prejudice against bimbos. Deplorable.