Do people still use genesis style atomizers?

[KenD]

I just started using them (bought a Steam Turbine clone), after having decided long ago that they seem like to much trouble to build Love it, and I'll be ordering some more (how is the Prometheus?). I'm wicking with rayon, so no mesh for me. Only thing I'm wondering is why and how it leaks when laid on its side, as it doesn't leak when upside down?

 

[SanFranAndy]

I have a genesis style AGA-TD that I bought a while back. I could never get it to vape right. I wouldn't buy a genesis style again. I don't like using wire mesh as a wick, I guess..

 

[KenD]

I have a genesis style AGA-TD that I bought a while back. I could never get it to vape right. I wouldn't buy a genesis style again. I don't like using wire mesh as a wick, I guess..

Works great with cotton/rayon. At least my Steam Turbine does

 

[WattWick]

I just started using them (bought a Steam Turbine clone), after having decided long ago that they seem like to much trouble to build Love it, and I'll be ordering some more (how is the Prometheus?). I'm wicking with rayon, so no mesh for me. Only thing I'm wondering is why and how it leaks when laid on its side, as it doesn't leak when upside down?

Upside down it is likely to liquid lock before it leaks. On it's side, you risk having one deck hole above liquid level, allowing air to get in to displace any liquid that wants out.

May be easier to keep them from leaking if left on their side with mesh... as it effectively plugs one hole all by itself... if snug enough.

 

[KenD]

Upside down it is likely to liquid lock before it leaks. On it's side, you risk having one deck hole above liquid level, allowing air to get in to displace any liquid that wants out.

Yeah, that seems logical. It's annoying though

 

[rondasherrill]

Can they still be called genesis if people are using cotton in them? That kinda goes against the entire definition of a genesis. That said, I LOVE gennies. Love the way they work, the way they put out massive flavor and vapor, and the way they taste like nothing when you get a dry hit, instead of tasting like Hell.

Not being able to use ss mesh in my Kayfun is it's only downside. I use SS Mesh in everything else. It does great with cotton, but I thought about giving a "U" shaped wick a shot in the Kayfun, just to try it. Wouldn't be the first time I made a "U" shaped SS wick.

 

[imsoenthused]

I'd agree it's not really a genesis without a SS wick. That said, I still use my gennies, but I use rayon in them. I was a dedicated genny only user for a long time, and anyone who says they weren't fiddly and annoying to set up must have had a magic touch that I never did. It got easier once ribbon kanthal showed up, but dealing with a wick material you could short in to was never what I considered "easy". Way too much time spent jiggling around coils and hunting for hot spots. They worked great and for a good while once you'd get one dialed in, but that next recoil was always lurking to ruin my day.

 

[WattWick]

I used mesh in a KFL for a little while. Found it easier to work with if I rolled the mesh around a thick-ish piece of Kanthal. Helps it keep the u-shape better. Was a fun experiment but sort of pointless as it didn't vape as well (for me) as my gennies. Not to mention I generally dislike working on KFLs.

 

[rondasherrill]

I'd agree it's not really a genesis without a SS wick. That said, I still use my gennies, but I use rayon in them. I was a dedicated genny only user for a long time, and anyone who says they weren't fiddly and annoying to set up must have had a magic touch that I never did. It got easier once ribbon kanthal showed up, but dealing with a wick material you could short in to was never what I considered "easy". Way too much time spent jiggling around coils and hunting for hot spots. They worked great and for a good while once you'd get one dialed in, but that next recoil was always lurking to ruin my day.

Haha agreed. I got my time on building "perfect" genny coil/wicks down to 10 minutes(compared to maybe 2 minutes tops with cotton). I never have used the ribbon though. Still, if I only have to rebuild once every two months, then that's 10 minutes I'm okay with. Even use SS mesh on my dripper.

I used mesh in a KFL for a little while. Found it easier to work with if I rolled the mesh around a thick-ish piece of Kanthal. Helps it keep the u-shape better. Was a fun experiment but sort of pointless as it didn't vape as well (for me) as my gennies. Not to mention I generally dislike working on KFLs.

Not sure how familiar you are with "U" wicks, but if you roll the wick at a 45 degree bias, it will take a "U" shape easily without kinking or any need of a core, and will also wick better.

 

[imsoenthused]

Haha agreed. I got my time on building "perfect" genny coil/wicks down to 10 minutes(compared to maybe 2 minutes tops with cotton). I never have used the ribbon though. Still, if I only have to rebuild once every two months, then that's 10 minutes I'm okay with. Even use SS mesh on my dripper.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the stuff. I even used to rebuild vivi nova heads with SS wicks for friends. I just find that I like rayon even better. It tastes clean like SS to me, is so much easier to work with, and it not lasting as long is more than offset by how easy it is to fix.

 

[AzPlumber]

I bought a Kayfun Lite + V2 and used it a couple of weeks but now back to my Genesis. The flavor was okay in the Kayfun but I found it to be more time consuming than using a Genesis. The Kayfun takes longer to coil, changing wicks too often, tank has to be empty or emptied to work on it and the draw is too tight. I can recoil a Genesis in just a couple minutes, a new wick takes a bit longer but it's not needed very often.

 

[WattWick]

Not sure how familiar you are with "U" wicks, but if you roll the wick at a 45 degree bias, it will take a "U" shape easily without kinking or any need of a core, and will also wick better.

That's what I did. I just found that for some more inconvenient u-wick setups it's nice to have some rigidity in the wick, too. Especially nice when setting up the 3D dripper or other deep well drippers (Origen/Magma) with mesh. You can shape the no-longer-completely-u-wick the way you want and have it stay that way.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

Love love love my Genesis atomizers.

If your having wick issues look into different mesh counts, it can make a big difference.

If you want to chain vape you'll want to wick U style for sure.

Cable wicks nicely too.

If you can't get it to work with mesh or cable, try rayon U wicks, may not be traditional but neither are ceramic wicks and folks use that as a wick too.

Then there is auto dripper wicking...

The beauty of the Genesis is they have such a wide range of options that you are blunt to find a setup that fits your need.

Some are just beautiful as well.

Maurice

 

[Rabbit Chaser]

I have one. Brand new. Used twice. Sits in my vape box...empty, of course, because I got tired of it leaking everywhere. Can't even sell the thing.

 

[JohnnyBGoode]

Still love my kraken with a SS setup. It can be a bit tedious to get it going but once the hot spots are out and it 'settled in' you can vape it for a long time.
A good flush and dry burn and its good to go again.
Flavor on SS is , for me, far superior to cotton and alike.

 

[jpcwon]

It is my opinion that gennys are experiencing a sort of resurgence as of late. With all the high-end gennys coming out these days (Sat22, Nahualon, BF-99, etc...), it certainly seems that way...

It is also my opinion that a properly set-up genny with SS mesh gives superior flavor to cotton/rayon. I have been using gennys for over a year. I started out with an RSST and moved onto a Steam Turbine and a Prometheus. I could not get SS mesh to work properly for the longest time. I would either get dry hits/hot spots, or flooding.....I could not find a happy medium. So I began to use cotton in my gennys which worked well, but I started to miss that awesome flavor that mesh gives you.

So recently I decided to revisit SS mesh. I decided to stick with it until I got it right, and I have found that practice makes perfect! I began to pay attention to mesh sizes. I ordered 200, 300, 400, and 500 mesh, and I found that matching a certain size mesh with a certain PG/VG ratio juice makes all the difference in the world. For instance, I am now running a 70/30 PG/VG juice, so I am using 300 mesh with that juice. Normally I would run 400, but you want to lower the mesh count with higher VG juices....

I now have several more high-end gennys and am enjoying consistent, excellent vaping with awesome flavor......

If you're one of those people who liked SS mesh but abandoned it due to too many issues (like me!), do yourself a favor and give it another shot. I am now loving mesh and prefer it to almost every other wicking medium....I also enjoy the "challenge" of setting up a genny.....working out the hotspots, getting the coils to glow evenly, etc....

Practice practice practice!!

 

[Dogboltt]

I've heard that putting a bit of wet rizla between the mesh and coil will result in no hot spots. Just dry burn and you're away...

Never had to resort to this personally, but it makes sense. When oxidising the mesh you're just coating it to protect against shorting.

I've just ordered the storm rider 2.3 and hoping that the air control ring will make leaking a thing of the past.

 

[WattWick]

You can use any kind of nonconductive sleeve, but you take away what makes mesh so great: Pristine flavor and very low maintenance.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

My go to genny is my gkmf-22 set up with dual U wicks 325 mesh for 50:50 liquids, right around the 1 ohm or very slightly higher using 30awg kanthal a1.

I really like the gkmf-22 because you can run up to quad coils if you are so inclined (I am not). Its just a really versatile atomizer.

I'd like to see more designers incorporate adjustable airflow and chamber reducers like the pulse-g. Another adjustable feature I'd like to see is in the wick hole size, you don't always want to be locked into a certain size.

In my opinion every genny could do with a stainless lined tank, glass is nice, but it will break and put you out of operation for a while. I'm having a shop make me a brass sleeved stainless tank, totally over priced but its going to be worth it should I shatter my Pyrex.

Maurice

 

[SanFranAndy]

Can they still be called genesis if people are using cotton in them? That kinda goes against the entire definition of a genesis. That said, I LOVE gennies. Love the way they work, the way they put out massive flavor and vapor, and the way they taste like nothing when you get a dry hit, instead of tasting like Hell.

Not being able to use ss mesh in my Kayfun is it's only downside. I use SS Mesh in everything else. It does great with cotton, but I thought about giving a "U" shaped wick a shot in the Kayfun, just to try it. Wouldn't be the first time I made a "U" shaped SS wick.

I'm going to give it another shot, I'll try the mesh with cotton. The "U" sounds interesting and I think I could get it to fit well in the AGA-TD. Thanks!