I could not have put it more accurately. I'm terrible at putting thoughts into words. Well stated.
do we really care about the lost?
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I agree. Unfortunately, we have "feet of clay". It's best if we don't sin, but we can't always "pull it off". I agree that staying in the word and in fellowship with other Christians is a way to keep our life on track.
I had trouble with this question when I had some friends that converted to aithiesm. It was very sad and heart breaking almost. I for a while thought to myself well eff them they made their own beds now lie in it. But after deep prayer and reflection is that Jesus did not give up on us then why should we. I firmly believe as believers and diciples of Jesus Christ that we have a responsibility to spread the gospel and set an example and be gentle kind and loving in all that we do. I feel sad for the lost souls and I pray they find the light.
Before we are saved we are not in the fight at all. We are slaves to sin and have no choice. Once we are saved and have the Holy Spirit promting and guiding us, we begin to resist the Devil. When we are saved we don't magically become perfect, our sanctification takes a lifetime. The lost and the saved both sin, but for the first time we are actually in the fight. As we mature in Christ we no longer live a lifestyle of sin even if we do stumble. Read 1 John. If we have been born again and are saved and are in the process of being changed, then it will begin to show or else we should take a serious look at our salvation to see if we have what we think we do.
Walking in love many times speaks louder than anything that we can say. The world loves but only in a philos way. It takes God to impart and teach us to love in an agape way. The world will know us by the way we agape, and as a result some will be drawn.
Walking in love many times speaks louder than anything that we can say. The world loves but only in a philos way. It takes God to impart and teach us to love in an agape way. The world will know us by the way we agape, and as a result some will be drawn.
I had a friend ask me the other day.... when were the apostles saved? His point wasn't to have a theological discussion about the moment that one is saved... it was to encourage me to reflect on the magnitude of God's love... and love for the process of coming to Him and being in Him. The calling, the wooing, the ask, the decision and the walk.
I don't think the Holy Spirit only begins to prompt and guide us after we are saved. I believe that the Holy Spirit is prompting and guiding and speaking truth to everyone, all of the time. Every person on the face of the earth is being spoken to and loved and encouraged to believe. I also have to say that I don't agree with the statement that we don't magically become perfect. I believe that we are so loved, so healed, so filled and so transformed that, at that given moment, we are all we are ever going to be .... we just don't know it yet.
We are transformed to the new creature in Christ. And the rest of our life is about unlearning the belief in who we used to be and learning to believe in who we are now. One with the Creator of the universe. One with God the way Jesus was one with the Father (Wasn't that His prayer for us? Yes!) The WORD (Christ) written on our hearts. I think that when scripture tells us we are a new creature in Christ, we really are what it says. We are not becoming, we are. If we can practice being who we are, and stop worrying about becoming something we think we are not, then we are free to receive further revelation about who we are.... all the while recognizing and appreciating that it was Christ who made us the new creature. And in receiving that revelation ... the revelation that we are more than we thought... we can rest in that and simply be who we are in the greater understanding that has been given to us. I don't believe we are in the process of being changed. I believe we were changed at the cross.... and now the only thing that needs changing, is our mind. "Be transformed by the renewing of your minds".
I don't think the Holy Spirit only begins to prompt and guide us after we are saved. I believe that the Holy Spirit is prompting and guiding and speaking truth to everyone, all of the time. Every person on the face of the earth is being spoken to and loved and encouraged to believe. I also have to say that I don't agree with the statement that we don't magically become perfect. I believe that we are so loved, so healed, so filled and so transformed that, at that given moment, we are all we are ever going to be .... we just don't know it yet.
We are transformed to the new creature in Christ. And the rest of our life is about unlearning the belief in who we used to be and learning to believe in who we are now. One with the Creator of the universe. One with God the way Jesus was one with the Father (Wasn't that His prayer for us? Yes!) The WORD (Christ) written on our hearts. I think that when scripture tells us we are a new creature in Christ, we really are what it says. We are not becoming, we are. If we can practice being who we are, and stop worrying about becoming something we think we are not, then we are free to receive further revelation about who we are.... all the while recognizing and appreciating that it was Christ who made us the new creature. And in receiving that revelation ... the revelation that we are more than we thought... we can rest in that and simply be who we are in the greater understanding that has been given to us. I don't believe we are in the process of being changed. I believe we were changed at the cross.... and now the only thing that needs changing, is our mind. "Be transformed by the renewing of your minds".
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It's easy to see the sin in other people's lives. This is a ploy of satans. "Well hey, I'm better off than that guy because I didn't do such 'n' such." Do I believe a Christian can have an abortion? Yes. Do I think it's murder, yes. Did God not see it? No, God sees it all. Judgment comes from Him, not me. Do I believe a Christian can fall into an adulteress relationship? Yes. Do I think it's wrong? Yes. Did God not see it? No, God sees it all. Are these sins forgivable? Yes. Will God bring them to the point of repentance? Yes. Is it my job in all of this? No. I think that one of satan's greatest pitfalls is that he gets you or me to equate our sins to others. We look reallllly good in comparison....almost angelic, even. The point is to compare our lives to Jesus', not man's. THAT's where we fall short. If we can help, do so, but when we point a finger, the thumb is always pointing back to us. We're no better. If you break one Commandment, doesn't that equate to breaking them all? I can honestly say I've done that. I'm no better than any other Christian. I've always been taught to love the sinner and hate the sin. Doesn't that equate to what Jesus did when He walked on the earth?
Now I have done my share of being mouthy in this forum. I would pounce like a cat....label when I should have put tape over my mouth and fingers. I was WRONG, and I'm changing my tactics. If I don't post, I'm allowing others to take the reins. If I do post, I want it to be through the Love of Jesus. If I'm prompted by God, that's another story, as that is up to Him. More than ever, the love of Jesus needs to be preached.....His spilt blood needs to be preached....His resurrection needs to be preached......His Grace preached.......we need to get HIS WORD out. LOVE the SINNER, hate the sin. Time is so very short. This post didn't exactly go in the direction I thought it would, but it is TRUTH.
I ask Almighty God to Bless all of those in this formum, this Thanksgiving weekend. Enjoy your families, love your brethern, and enjoy the fellowship!
Now I have done my share of being mouthy in this forum. I would pounce like a cat....label when I should have put tape over my mouth and fingers. I was WRONG, and I'm changing my tactics. If I don't post, I'm allowing others to take the reins. If I do post, I want it to be through the Love of Jesus. If I'm prompted by God, that's another story, as that is up to Him. More than ever, the love of Jesus needs to be preached.....His spilt blood needs to be preached....His resurrection needs to be preached......His Grace preached.......we need to get HIS WORD out. LOVE the SINNER, hate the sin. Time is so very short. This post didn't exactly go in the direction I thought it would, but it is TRUTH.
I ask Almighty God to Bless all of those in this formum, this Thanksgiving weekend. Enjoy your families, love your brethern, and enjoy the fellowship!
John 8:1-11 (KJV)
1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
I believe this says it all. Amen!
1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
I believe this says it all. Amen!
Though some have tried, an abundance of words won't make it any clearer than the way you wrote it. "So then, you will know them by their fruits." Mt 7:20
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It's easy to see the sin in other people's lives. This is a ploy of satans. "Well hey, I'm better off than that guy because I didn't do such 'n' such." Do I believe a Christian can have an abortion? Yes. Do I think it's murder, yes. Did God not see it? No, God sees it all. Judgment comes from Him, not me. Do I believe a Christian can fall into an adulteress relationship? Yes. Do I think it's wrong? Yes. Did God not see it? No, God sees it all. Are these sins forgivable? Yes. Will God bring them to the point of repentance? Yes. Is it my job in all of this? No. I think that one of satan's greatest pitfalls is that he gets you or me to equate our sins to others. We look reallllly good in comparison....almost angelic, even. The point is to compare our lives to Jesus', not man's. THAT's where we fall short. If we can help, do so, but when we point a finger, the thumb is always pointing back to us. We're no better. If you break one Commandment, doesn't that equate to breaking them all? I can honestly say I've done that. I'm no better than any other Christian. I've always been taught to love the sinner and hate the sin. Doesn't that equate to what Jesus did when He walked on the earth?
Now I have done my share of being mouthy in this forum. I would pounce like a cat....label when I should have put tape over my mouth and fingers. I was WRONG, and I'm changing my tactics. If I don't post, I'm allowing others to take the reins. If I do post, I want it to be through the Love of Jesus. If I'm prompted by God, that's another story, as that is up to Him. More than ever, the love of Jesus needs to be preached.....His spilt blood needs to be preached....His resurrection needs to be preached......His Grace preached.......we need to get HIS WORD out. LOVE the SINNER, hate the sin. Time is so very short. This post didn't exactly go in the direction I thought it would, but it is TRUTH.
I ask Almighty God to Bless all of those in this formum, this Thanksgiving weekend. Enjoy your families, love your brethern, and enjoy the fellowship!
Oh yes and AMEN Cuz L!!!!!
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