Do you HAVE to go big to get power

[Traver]

dont they only last like a day and then a few refills?

Filler type cartos last from a few days to a few weeks. Depend on the juice and how you use them. They will last longer if never allowed to go dry. Light juices will also make them last longer that dark juice.
On the other CE2's can with light juices can last many months. Even with darker juice they can be cleaned and burned. However I don't recommend them for beginners because there is a bigger learning curve and even the they their quirks.

I also want to add they there is nothing wrong with small batteries. They just need to be recharged more often and you can't use them with LR cartos.

 

[Mookie]

@Mindfield - I am so happy to find someone familiar with Smoov! I'm a newbie and bought one at a local shop at their recommendation. There is very little info on Smoov and I am completely lost! Could you please answer some Q's? I get a metallic/chemical taste. Is that from the carto or the juice? Can I use different mfg. cartos on it or do I have to stay with Smoov? I want more th so I ordered juice with higher PG - is that the correct thing to do or should I go up from 24mg to 36mg? Can I use a Volt atty on a Smoov carto and/or visaversa? All this talk about ohms, volts, ahms, current, and whatever is just over my blonde head! I just want some simple advise on a good strong, clean vape. Also don't care for the sweet taste most of the juices seem to have - any advise on that? Now the pcc: it says it's charged, i put in the atty but nothing happens. When I push the button on the pcc is indicates the atty is charged but when I plug the atty into the wall charger it turns red indicating it is charging. Of course there is absolutely no instructions with either the original kit or the pcc. Could you just come over and help me - LOL!!!!

 

[wv2win]

............I also want to add they there is nothing wrong with small batteries. They just need to be recharged more often and you can't use them with LR cartos.

If you like weak throat hit, cold vapor and changing batteries every hour, then I guess you are right. But they cannot come close to the performance in those three areas to a good 5 volt or variable volt model.

 

[wv2win]

Boost circuits are only for single-battery VVs though; they take a standard 3.7V current and boost it to whatever voltage is required. Volts (and I believe the Bloog and Smoov as well) are 5V devices regulated down to 3.7V.

From the engineers I have talked to, there is no reason why a boost circuit cannot be incorporated into almost any PV. They just don't want to spend the money to provide much more consistent performance.

 

[markfm]

I kind of doubt that volt, bloog, etc are actually natively 5v devices that are bucked down to 3.7v.

3v and 3.6/3.7v are mass produced lithium cells. Someone would haver to go custom to have a 5v native cell, at added cost.

What does a volt charger output? If it is 4.2v, that is a normal 3.7v cell (else yet more, costly, internal circuitry to boost incoming 4.2 to higher voltage).

I could be wrong, but the economics would not seem to make sense.

 

[Mindfield]

When a companies website tells me that a cartomizer lasts 3 month I would rather go somewhere else.

dont they only last like a day and then a few refills?

They can last longer if you're willing to take the time to clean and dry them. Not 3 months by any means, but I've gone a month with certain cartos if I haven't clogged them up with thick, dark juices.

From the engineers I have talked to, there is no reason why a boost circuit cannot be incorporated into almost any PV. They just don't want to spend the money to provide much more consistent performance.

That's probably true in many if not most cases. But the circuits do cost and when they're trying to keep costs down in order to keep the price of a mod down I can't really blame them. Most use a linear regulator, which is fine if inefficient. Some use a PWM regulator, which is more efficient. Either work fine for maintaining voltage at a certain level as long as the battery has charge exceeding the regulated voltage.

 

[Mookie]

@minfield - what cartos would you suggest to use with the Smoov? I'm trying to find something that doesn't have a metallic taste. How do you clean them? I tried boiling them for 10 minutes but then they didn't work at all.

 

[Mindfield]

@minfield - what cartos would you suggest to use with the Smoov? I'm trying to find something that doesn't have a metallic taste. How do you clean them? I tried boiling them for 10 minutes but then they didn't work at all.

Any KR808D-1 cartos will work on the Smoov. As I understand it the internal design of the Smoov cartos is a bit different than Volt or Bloog though, and I have heard that Smoov's cartos do produce a kind of metallic taste. I can tell you that Bloog, Volt and Kanger cartos have all been perfectly fine for me though.

For cleaning, it depends on how dirty they are. If they're pretty fouled (i.e. draw is tight, performance is poor), I'll do a 10-15 minute soak in isopropyl alcohol (leeches juice out), another 20+ minute soak in vinegar and baking soda (acetic acid breaks down gunk buildup, and the baking soda reacts to the vinegar to get all foamy and provides grit to gently scrub), then rinse for 5 minutes under very warm to hot water, periodically removing from the stream to blow it out and get all the crap out of it. Then I'll remove it, blow it out one last time, stick it in a plastic sandwich open-end down and lined at the bottom with paper towel, roll it up tight around the carto, and spin it to draw the liquid out and into the paper towel. A minute or so of that, then I set it out to dry for 24 hours or so. If it's not too fouled I'll usually omit the soaks, but the rest stays the same.

I generally do this when I have a batch of them to clean. It's too much damn work for one carto.

 

[Traver]

@minfield - what cartos would you suggest to use with the Smoov? I'm trying to find something that doesn't have a metallic taste. How do you clean them? I tried boiling them for 10 minutes but then they didn't work at all.

I think are they kr808D-1 threads but you may want someone to confirm. Most people on this forum seem to like boge carto. You would want 2.7 or 3.0 ohm for this battery.

 

[Traver]

If you like weak throat hit, cold vapor and changing batteries every hour, then I guess you are right. But they cannot come close to the performance in those three areas to a good 5 volt or variable volt model.

For some people the size or looks is more important. One of the great things about e-cigs is that you have choices and everyone is free to make their own choice.

I have provari and still vape at 3.7 volts.

 

[wv2win]

For some people the size or looks is more important. One of the great things about e-cigs is that you have choices and everyone is free to make their own choice.

I have provari and still vape at 3.7 volts.

If I had to bet money, my guess is you are the big exception to the rule for those who use variable voltage models. And for those who are more concerned about how they look than how their PV performs, then they should just get an M401 and live with the many limitations since it's the same size as an analog.

 

[tj99959]

For some people the size or looks is more important. One of the great things about e-cigs is that you have choices and everyone is free to make their own choice.

I have provari and still vape at 3.7 volts.

But your provari stays @ 3.7v instead of falling off.

The tiny bat that will surprise you is the little 300mAh LIPO bat that Trog is using in the SD Key Ring.
A charge only lasts about 3 hours as you would expect, but it seems to plateau a little higher and longer than you would expect from a 3.7v bat.
Which means that it must have a pretty fair C rating.

 

[Traver]

But your provari stays @ 3.7v instead of falling off.

Yes and that is one of the reasons I use it at home. Away from home I use an E-Power which also stays pretty close to 3.7V.
On the other hand I'm retired and don't have take these things to work. If I did I might consider buying a few smaller bats. Either way what I vape is my choice and doesn't mean someone else shouldn't make a different choice. My role in helping people is to tell them what their choices are and not to claim that my choice is superior to theirs.

 

[Mookie]

Thanks for all the advise - much appreciation!