Do you plan to quit someday?

[vapdivrr]

Good to know. I wasn't aware if it was adhered to it or anything, so I assumed it's better safe than sorry.

When I bought my Sally's box over 5 years ago I didn't realize I bought the reinforced. It has a nylon strip running all the way along the rope, but it's not attached and pulls out really easily, besides that its exactly the same. If I had to buy more, (which i dont think i will ever need more) i wouldn't get it because theres really no reason, but if that's all they had, it's not really a big deal at all.......

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[Rossum]

are you sure nic. will be still good after 10 years of storing even in a freezer?
What about 20-30 years?

I'm pretty confident. I've got nic that's been in the freezer for 5-1/2 years now. It's good as new. We've had reports from people who've had nic in the freezer for as long as 10 years now, also good as new.

 

[stols001]

One day, I plan to stop breathing. I will evaluate my willingness to quit vaping at that time.

Anna

 

[Steam_Bern]

One day, I plan to stop breathing. I will evaluate my willingness to quit vaping at that time.

Anna

100% agree with you on this!

 

[AvaOrchid]

That is because nicotine is not an addiction, it is a dependence. The distinction is that an addiction must have a significant harmful effect which one ignores at the expense of his quality of life. Merely experiencing withdrawal symptoms upon cessation demonstrates a dependence. And you needn't take my word for it, this Professor of Addictions Studies explains it succinctly:

You're absolutely correct about the difference between an addiction and a dependency and unfortunately even doctors are getting that wrong the CDC is definitely getting it wrong and just in general people don't understand the difference. Addiction is not physical it is behavioral. Your behavioral traits are what determines whether or not something is an addiction. Dependency on the other hand can have physical and mental attributes both positive and negative. Most people who Vape would most likely be considered to have a dependency because it does not usually lead to criminality and lives falling apart and inability to go to work though of course that could become an addiction depending on the individual. If you are spending your rent money on cigarettes or you are robbing people or something for nicotine then I suppose that would become an addiction. There may be some gray area like a person smoking cigarettes who has cancer and is continuing to smoke or someone who is robbing stores for cigarettes or something not that I think that's particularly common. I don't know if a negative health impact is enough on its own to classify something as an addiction.

 

[DPLongo22]

Nope.

 

[DaveP]

I really enjoyed smoking. Smoking was a relaxation exercise for me. Vaping with a nic content completely satisfied the smoking habit and took away my cigarettes within a short time after I started. I was able to start at 24mg and taper down in a few months to 3mg and still not want a smoke. Part of that was probably satisfaction of the hand to mouth habit.

Anyone who finds it hard to leave the cigarettes alone probably needs to look at the nicotine strength in their vape. Somewhere in the 18mg to 36mg range is plenty enough nic to forget about the smokes, IMO. You just have to choose the high nic vape when the urge for a cigarette begins to build. Eventually, cigarettes will become just a memory and you can begin to taper the nic down to a lower level.

 

[GOMuniEsq]

You're absolutely correct about the difference between an addiction and a dependency and unfortunately even doctors are getting that wrong the CDC is definitely getting it wrong and just in general people don't understand the difference. Addiction is not physical it is behavioral. Your behavioral traits are what determines whether or not something is an addiction. Dependency on the other hand can have physical and mental attributes both positive and negative. Most people who Vape would most likely be considered to have a dependency because it does not usually lead to criminality and lives falling apart and inability to go to work though of course that could become an addiction depending on the individual. If you are spending your rent money on cigarettes or you are robbing people or something for nicotine then I suppose that would become an addiction. There may be some gray area like a person smoking cigarettes who has cancer and is continuing to smoke or someone who is robbing stores for cigarettes or something not that I think that's particularly common. I don't know if a negative health impact is enough on its own to classify something as an addiction.

Cigarette smoking can be considered a weak sort of addiction, since it is known to statistically cause long-term harm. And due to the extreme high price (thanks, government) sometimes sacrifices to quality of life are necessary in order to afford it. But it's only a borderline addiction since it isn't mind-altering and doesn't prevent its users from interacting normally in society.

Alcohol is a bit further along on the scale. In moderation, alcohol is a pleasant vice that can improve enjoyment of food and company. It has a greater addictive potential in cases where moderation is not exercised. It becomes a poison. Drunks cannot interact normally in society and can have trouble keeping a driver's license or holding down a job. It also releases inhibitions which can result in bad decisions and even violence depending on the person.

Marijuana is less addictive than alcohol. In moderation it may even be beneficial. Excessive consumption just makes a person kind of dopey and useless.

You made a good observation that the behavior of the user determines the addiction. It's also impacted by social acceptance, as well as law and tax policy.

As far as I can tell, nic vaping is "sin without the consequences". It's affordable, effective, self-limiting, and the risks are negligible. I can't see how it could ever qualify as an addiction, unless the government starts taxing it so heavily as to price it out of reach, or starts criminalizing users.

None of these things hold a candle to hard drugs and prescription drug abuse.

It's pretty common for people to casually exaggerate their dependences as 'addictions' for comic effect. A common one is "I'm a real bear until I get my morning coffee. I'm such an addict LOL!" It's a habit best avoided, as it diminishes the seriousness of real addictions.

 

[dreamvaper]

it isn't mind-altering and doesn't prevent its users from interacting normally in society

I'd say it depends, even on ECF there are stories from smokers who tried to quit, trowing away a half full pack of cigs in the trash and few hours later digging the trash out looking for a cig.

 

[Rossum]

Anyone who finds it hard to leave the cigarettes alone probably needs to look at the nicotine strength in their vape. Somewhere in the 18mg to 36mg range is plenty enough nic to forget about the smokes, IMO.

Straight nicotine, as found in most vapes, and no matter the strength, is not a complete substitute for the cocktail of psychoactive substances found in tobacco.

How acceptable it is as a substitute will vary from one individual to the next. Some people have no trouble switching, but many experience some degree of withdrawal from the other psychoactive substances in tobacco smoke, and some just can't make the switch to straight nic at all.

 

[Jebbn]

Straight nicotine, as found in most vapes, and no matter the strength, is not a complete substitute for the cocktail of psychoactive substances found in tobacco.

How acceptable it is as a substitute will vary from one individual to the next. Some people have no trouble switching, but many experience some degree of withdrawal from the other psychoactive substances in tobacco smoke, and some just can't make the switch to straight nic at all.

Oh yeah, definitely! Ive actually been sitting there all nic sick and miserable from 24mg nic and the thought running through my head, "I would love a cigarette right now".
And it didnt happen just the once.

 

[AvaOrchid]

I'd say it depends, even on ECF there are stories from smokers who tried to quit, trowing away a half full pack of cigs in the trash and few hours later digging the trash out looking for a cig.

I'm not certain that that would be an indicator of addictive behavior there is no negative life impact of having to go in the trash to grab something that I think would be equivalent to the level that it requires to be an addiction rather than dependence. Digging through the trash for a pack of cigarettes is not significantly dangerous it's not life-altering it's not going to cause great harm or keep you from going to work that day it's not going to expose you to criminal activity or increase risk by much of Contracting a communicable disease. If you were to throw away your heart medication and dig through the trash for it that's a perfectly reasonable thing to do. If my wedding ring falls in the trash I'm going to dig through the trash to get it. Now if someone is going from dumpster to dumpster outside into store dumpsters and such to try to obtain a cigarette then I think that argument would be in that gray area if not teetering towards addiction status. For one there is the potential to get into criminal trouble for trespass depending on where the dumpster was. You could also cut yourself or risk Contracting a disease if you're digging in a medical waste dumpster. Things like that make it more of a behavioral psychosocial issue. The determination really needs to be made considering many different aspects rather than one both addiction and dependency the person needs the item or will face consequences. I guess it's just a matter of how far they'll go and how often it is that they'll go there combined with some other aspects personal hygiene ability to function in society lack of risk behavior

 

[stols001]

Wow that was a ton of opinion.

Are you aware (although vaping may have changed that a bit) tobacco users have the highest rate of relapse out there? Including the "hard" drugs? That there are tobacco users who are SO addicted they will smoke through cancer, through anything? I had a smoke "buddy" who bulked up rapidly and when I asked her what was up she laughed, and said," Oh, I have COPD." I asked her if she was thinking about quitting and she laughed again and said, "No I smoke until I die." I believed her.

Are you aware that tobacco kills more people than alcohol and including drunk driving?

Are you aware that there are quite "functional addicts" and alcoholics who can manage life quite capably and easily? I was one, in college, and I drank a GREAT deal. I also made sure to pay attention to my studies and that was a lot of time, but I graduated with double majors and honors in both of them, and was inducted into Phi Beta Kappa?

My favorite SW professor of all time defined addiction as: :the right brain meets the right drug. It remains the best definition I have ever met.

Guess what, I have ADHD and you can feed me all the crystal .... you want (provided it is pure enough) and won't bat an eye.

Opiates? That's a different story my friend.

There is no such thing as a "weak" addiction. Maybe it was weak for YOU? My dad used to dig out half smoked cigarettes from the elevator ashtray s because my mom was trying to get him to stop. He would say, "Anna, don't do this, ever, and don't tell your mom."

He has struggled on and off with smoking his whole life and even now says, "Sometimes the only thing that stops me is the HELL I know that will happen if I pick up." He's on his first heart attack right now. He still thinks about smoking, and probably will until the day he dies.

Smoking is not weak my friend. Neither is alcoholism, hard drug addiction or anything else. It's not always the strong who get to quit ANYTHING either, sometimes it is PURE luck.

If vaping were not here for me, you can bet your bottom dollar that I would be like that woman in the smoking corral, saying COPD can come and get me.

I quit alcohol fairly easily. Opiates was a bit more of a struggle.

Even MODERATING my cigarette habit was not possible for me.

I have always know, out of all the drugs I have taken, smoking was my drug of choice. If I had been forced to pick one, it would have been cigarettes from the start.

I really must disagree entirely with your conclusions. They aren't correct.

Anna

 

[Electrodave]

I quit at 25mg. One night, I lit up a cigarette, and put it out because it wasn't satisfying my nicotine craving. That was my last cigarette, almost 6 mos ago. Every once in a while, while I'm working, some little voice (probably the tobacco demons) will tell me "It's time for a cigarette break" to which I always say "No, it isn't". But they haven't stopped bothering me yet. I just have to tell them "NO!"

On edit:
I'm currently transitioning to 12mg from the current 15mg

 

[gpjoe]

Hell, I haven't completely quit smoking.

Still have one .... per day and been dual-using for over six years. If I tried to quit vaping I fear that I may go back to my 45-year pack-a-day (or more) addiction.

I went January thru May of this year nearly cigarette-free (had a few puffs over that time) but eventually caved in.

Admittedly, I'm weak. Much like @Don29palms posted, and as I have also posted in the past, like an alcoholic even when I am not smoking I will forever be a smoker. My ultimate goal would be to quit smoking entirely but vaping will forever be my main source of relief from nicotine-addiction.

So, no, I don't ever see myself quitting vaping.

 

[DaveP]

Straight nicotine, as found in most vapes, and no matter the strength, is not a complete substitute for the cocktail of psychoactive substances found in tobacco.

How acceptable it is as a substitute will vary from one individual to the next. Some people have no trouble switching, but many experience some degree of withdrawal from the other psychoactive substances in tobacco smoke, and some just can't make the switch to straight nic at all.

For me it was, but I understand that we are all different in what it takes to get off the smokes. Back when I started in 2010 there were concoctions made with tobacco alkaloids from wet tobacco soaked, squeezed, and filtered to create a solution to add to ejuice. Some swore by it, but for me all it took to quit was vaping 24mg juice. Did that for a year or two and began the move down to 3mg nic juice.

I quit my 2 PAD habit without really trying. One day a few months into vaping I realized that I was only smoking a few cigs a day instead of two packs. I just didn't buy any more and never looked back.

 

[sofarsogood]

Back in the day I quit cold turkey then relapsed after 10 years. Quitting is no big deal. Never relapsing ever is the challenge. To that end if you mix and rebuild and don't buy stuff you don't need vaping is free for practical purposes. I like everything about vaping better than smoking. Finally, the flavor and texture of vapor make cigarette smoke taste awful. That's what you call relapse protection.

 

[Ravenscroft]

I just remembered this from from years ago and hope it is ok to put it here with the addiction stuff being talked about.

 

[GOMuniEsq]

Wow that was a ton of opinion.

Are you aware (although vaping may have changed that a bit) tobacco users have the highest rate of relapse out there? Including the "hard" drugs? That there are tobacco users who are SO addicted they will smoke through cancer, through anything? I had a smoke "buddy" who bulked up rapidly and when I asked her what was up she laughed, and said," Oh, I have COPD." I asked her if she was thinking about quitting and she laughed again and said, "No I smoke until I die." I believed her.

Are you aware that tobacco kills more people than alcohol and including drunk driving?

Are you aware that there are quite "functional addicts" and alcoholics who can manage life quite capably and easily? I was one, in college, and I drank a GREAT deal. I also made sure to pay attention to my studies and that was a lot of time, but I graduated with double majors and honors in both of them, and was inducted into Phi Beta Kappa?

My favorite SW professor of all time defined addiction as: :the right brain meets the right drug. It remains the best definition I have ever met.

Guess what, I have ADHD and you can feed me all the crystal .... you want (provided it is pure enough) and won't bat an eye.

Opiates? That's a different story my friend.

There is no such thing as a "weak" addiction. Maybe it was weak for YOU? My dad used to dig out half smoked cigarettes from the elevator ashtray s because my mom was trying to get him to stop. He would say, "Anna, don't do this, ever, and don't tell your mom."

He has struggled on and off with smoking his whole life and even now says, "Sometimes the only thing that stops me is the HELL I know that will happen if I pick up." He's on his first heart attack right now. He still thinks about smoking, and probably will until the day he dies.

Smoking is not weak my friend. Neither is alcoholism, hard drug addiction or anything else. It's not always the strong who get to quit ANYTHING either, sometimes it is PURE luck.

If vaping were not here for me, you can bet your bottom dollar that I would be like that woman in the smoking corral, saying COPD can come and get me.

I quit alcohol fairly easily. Opiates was a bit more of a struggle.

Even MODERATING my cigarette habit was not possible for me.

I have always know, out of all the drugs I have taken, smoking was my drug of choice. If I had been forced to pick one, it would have been cigarettes from the start.

I really must disagree entirely with your conclusions. They aren't correct.

Anna

Well don't you see? You've entirely mistaken my point and now you're beating a straw man. The difficulty in quitting doesn't make the addiction. That's the physical dependence. Addiction is in the harmful consequences of the physical dependence. Perhaps Fr. Kearney would explain it better, whom @Ravenscroft has kindly linked above.

 

[Don29palms]

You're absolutely correct about the difference between an addiction and a dependency and unfortunately even doctors are getting that wrong the CDC is definitely getting it wrong and just in general people don't understand the difference. Addiction is not physical it is behavioral. Your behavioral traits are what determines whether or not something is an addiction. Dependency on the other hand can have physical and mental attributes both positive and negative. Most people who Vape would most likely be considered to have a dependency because it does not usually lead to criminality and lives falling apart and inability to go to work though of course that could become an addiction depending on the individual. If you are spending your rent money on cigarettes or you are robbing people or something for nicotine then I suppose that would become an addiction. There may be some gray area like a person smoking cigarettes who has cancer and is continuing to smoke or someone who is robbing stores for cigarettes or something not that I think that's particularly common. I don't know if a negative health impact is enough on its own to classify something as an addiction.

From Webster's dictionary
From a Latin word referring to enslavement, addiction is a compulsive dependency that harms the affected individual.