Do you push flavoring with pure VG?

[Giraut]

I find myself mixing in a lot more flavoring agents in a pure VG base than in anything containing even a small amount of PG. I'm talking about real VG, that's thick like syrup, not runny Inawera-style "pure" VG that contains water. I go up to 5/6% flavoring when the recommended maximum amount is supposed to be 2.5%, to get the same flavoring power as with PG. Adding water or alcohol doesn't seem to help.

Is it your experience too?

 

[spaceballsrules]

Yup. VG mutes flavor.

 

[flowerpots]

I was waiting to see what answers came up before I responded. I don't vape 100% VG, but I do like 30PG/70VG. If I order my favorite flavors at my set ratio instead of a higher PG ratio, 50/50, I can definitely tell a flavor difference. YMMV

I've read on the threads that PG is a better carrier, that VG does mute flavors. But, then I've also read responses of people emphatically denying that.

So, my final answer is you will have to judge that for yourself

 

[we2rcool]

Yup. VG mutes flavor.

100% Disagree.

 

[yo han]

I find myself mixing in a lot more flavoring agents in a pure VG base than in anything containing even a small amount of PG. I'm talking about real VG, that's thick like syrup, not runny Inawera-style "pure" VG that contains water. I go up to 5/6% flavoring when the recommended maximum amount is supposed to be 2.5%, to get the same flavoring power as with PG. Adding water or alcohol doesn't seem to help.
Is it your experience too?

Funny how you're asking a question about something you've experienced yourself.
It's like asking "Does mixing yellow and blue paint make green?" And then saying: "I was mixing blue and yellow paint and the result was green paint.
Would it help if someone came along and responded: No it doesn't?

 

[JackH]

100% Disagree.

I agree with this disagreement.

Initially heavy VG blends may seem like the flavor is muted. Properly steeped this isn't the case in my experience. Do your own test, just be sure to let them mature before doing the comparison. I think you'll find an 80/20 blend to have the same flavor as 20/80.

 

[wllmc]

I havent tried this long enough yet but from what I can tell I am kinda leaning to the side that vg does not mute flavor side. I recently have been making more 70/30 80/20 and 90/10 VG/PG juices for myself. I have gotten some really good flavor at the same percentages using different steeping styles. its only been a few weeks and I still go back to 50/50 a lot still because my main bottle of nic is cut for 50/50 mixes already. next time I make more base hopefully I will have figured out which of the above ratios I like best. I have not played with it enough to be certain for myself just talking out loud. heating shaking and waiting seems to work well. I have a hard time with the waiting part lol

 

[dannyv45]

The thicker the liquid the slower flavor moves through it. It's not how much flavor you add but how well it's mixed. Flavor molecules take more time to meld with VG. So warm the VG up to thin it add flavor then shake the heck out of it. Then let it steep. Warm steeping in a crock pot or ultrasonic cleaner at 150F works wonders and reduces the steeping time drastically.

warm steeping:

tobaccos 3 - 5 hours
deserts or mixes that contain cream 2 - 3 hours
candies and fruits 1 - 2 hours

 

[JeremyR]

No I don't.
I use 100 vg and compared to many I use lower flavor than others. Many times half and I get plenty of flavor. I dont like a watered down vg either.

Water is what mutes the flavor I think and where people have issue. I just got some WL vg and was very disappointed its watered down big time. I typically only use 3% water max. Vg just takes a little bit longer to steep through. But I rarely steep longer than a few days before I start using it and its fine.

 

[patkin]

Actually, I've found that adding a bit (1-2%) DW increases flavor no matter what the PG/VG ratio.

 

[Giraut]

Funny how you're asking a question about something you've experienced yourself.
It's like asking "Does mixing yellow and blue paint make green?" And then saying: "I was mixing blue and yellow paint and the result was green paint.
Would it help if someone came along and responded: No it doesn't?

Why yes, yes it would. Then I'd know there's something wrong with me - vaper's tongue perhaps. Or maybe I'm running my atomizer too hot and it kills the flavor, and I have to overdo the mix to compensate. If everybody told me "yes, me too, VG mutes the flavor", then I'd know it's not just me.

Also, you might have noticed people don't always ask questions about stuff they don't yet know: they share their experiences, and wonder what others experience with the same stuff they use. If people kept quiet once they've found something out for themselves, there wouldn't be much traffic on this here board, now, would there

Initially heavy VG blends may seem like the flavor is muted. Properly steeped this isn't the case in my experience. Do your own test, just be sure to let them mature before doing the comparison. I think you'll find an 80/20 blend to have the same flavor as 20/80.

I've steeped my liquids for a week. Yes, the flavors has developped a bit, but not by much. Thing is, I shake them so hard and so long right after mixing that it cuts down steeping time to mere hours.

Mind you, the "muting effect" doesn't happen with all flavorings: I have here a pistachio flavor that tastes of pistachio at the correct dosage, regardless of whether it's PG or VG. And if I double the pistachio dosage, it turns into fabulous buttery popcorn flavor, but only in VG.

 

[dannyv45]

Funny how you're asking a question about something you've experienced yourself.
It's like asking "Does mixing yellow and blue paint make green?" And then saying: "I was mixing blue and yellow paint and the result was green paint.
Would it help if someone came along and responded: No it doesn't?

I've oftened asked a question I already know the answer too just to see if others are having the same experiences that I'm having. It helps me find out if I'm doing something wrong, if not then it helps me help others.

So if you mix blue and yellow do you get green like I do or do you get turquoise?

@Giraut

your question was completely valid as far as I'm concerned.

 

[RocketPuppy]

Six one way. Half a dozen the other.