Do you trust this liquid?

[Ryum]

Absolutly, asking questions about products is certainly what we should all do BUT (theres always a but) there are certain comments that has pushed LitecigUSA, such as yours from page 2 of this thread. Again, you also did nothing wrong by speaking your opinion.

It got out of hand because of a .......in sticker that the original poster ADMITTED they should have read the disclosure in the first place.

I would suggest that you AntiMartyr, email, call, post to Shawn PERSONALLY and eat some crow on this whole situation.

A simple personal apology goes a LONG way sometimes.

My post shouldn't have been taken negatively. From a unknown supplier finding out after the fact (either due to you missing a disclaimer or otherwise) cutting, and relabeling does feel "street". From a respected supplier that earned being considered trustworthy is not the same.
The "street" term means they are cutting the product to save cost, from what I have read shawn mixes his juice appropriately to fulfill an order to the customers requirements.

Those are not the same thing by any means, and should not been seen as such.

I can not do anything but explain my perspective. How someone takes that is well beyond my control.

 

[TheAntiMartyr]

So to recap, what did you learn?

I learned that this place is not friendly to new users and that there is alot of vendor loyalty here. In this case, warranted vendor loyalty.

I came in here with a very simple question and very justifiable concers. I never even mentioned the supplier unil I WAS ASKED. At the time...email communications between myself and the supplier were already taking place. I came here for a second opinion only to be treated like crap by most of the people here with the acception of a few who, on top of taking the time to read everything, also posess a little common sense and courtesy.

 

[Brady]

You know...being the decent human being that I am...I'm already three steps ahead of you.

Then you truely are a Texan! Good for you!

 

[TheAntiMartyr]

Can I post this with just 43 posts?

lol!...NO.

Thanks for the much needed laugh!

 

[Brady]

My post shouldn't have been taken negatively. From a unknown supplier finding out after the fact (either due to you missing a disclaimer or otherwise) cutting, and relabeling does feel "street". From a respected supplier that earned being considered trustworthy is not the same.
The "street" term means they are cutting the product to save cost, from what I have read shawn mixes his juice appropriately to fulfill an order to the customers requirements.

Those are not the same thing by any means, and should not been seen as such.

I can not do anything but explain my perspective. How someone takes that is well beyond my control.

point taken - no ill will meant from my end

 

[SmilingSlasher]

Can I post this with just 43 posts?

What I said in that post really was a joke......that's why I put the smile after it.

But, He is the one who came at me with that "Mr. Messenger" crap.

All I was doing was informing people of Shawn's decision based on what he read in this thread.

 

[Thyestean]

First off ... yes this forum is for things exactly like this. Asking questions, finding answers, satisfying your own curiosities and concerns.

Unfortunately that is the only thing that has been said in this thread, by those defending the OP, that is worth anything. As for the rest of the comments defending the way the OP went about accomplishing those goals, they are just wrong.

The correct way to go about getting your concerns addressed would have been to :

(a) contact the vendor directly and ask him questions

(b) since chances are you didn't want to do that because you weren't sure whether or not to trust the vendors word (which really, if you've been a customer of shawns for any length of time whatsoever, you should know you can trust him), then you should have come here and looked around a bit, done a few searches on the forum first, checked the threads on shawns sub-forum, and seen what kind of information you could find.

What you should not do is:

(a) start a thread asking a question without at least trying to do some of the legwork yourself

(b) expect that an e-cig vendors site would be any different than any other site out there where if you want the full information on something you need to make sure you are checking into it thoroughly

(c) used people asking who the vendor was as an excuse to list his company name and then try and act like you were forced into doing so. you made the OP without including his name and when asked you could have easily said "well I really want to see what people think of this situation before I put the company name out there and cause problems for them without being sure of what I'm talking about"

(d) get sarcastic with members who are answering your questions and helping you get the info that you asked for and who are just pointing out to you the facts of what a post like this can cause.


Also do you really think that Shawn is the only vendor out there who does things this way?

Do you really think if it was something to be frowned upon that he would have it stated on the site, where any and all customers can easily find it with a single click, that he does things in this manner?

Do you really think that there is something safer about it being mixed overseas than by someone who is selling you the end product and has to deal with all customers on a "personal" basis unlike the manufacturers in China who have no worries about dealing with anyone but the vendors?

Not trying to be a .... here but just stating some common sense things. Luckily we all have easy access to tons of information in this community that we don't have with many other products we use on a daily basis. Unfortunately we also have easy access to public opinion and to public attention, which is a good thing to have but only when not abused by being to lazy to look into things for ourselves before we go out there and toss out information that is incomplete.

I personally am a customer of Shawns, as can be plainly seen in my signature, but by no means is my reaction to this thread from any sense of "fan" loyalty to him. I have posted in a similar fashion to posts by people about vendors I have never used but have spent time "talking" to through this forum and find to be good people, and I have also posted similarly to threads about vendors who I never have and never will order from.

People really need to realize that just because you don't mean to do harm by going about things in such a way doesn't mean that you won't be. How many times have any of you gone to a thread and only read the first few posts or just skimmed through it quickly without really getting all of the info? A lot I'm sure. And the fact that threads like this are now permanently left for anyone to view in any fashion means that there are plenty of people who will only read the first few posts and be misinformed by them and make a bad decision to avoid a great vendor.

As I said before, whether you(meaning anyone reading) think so or not, I am not trying to be a jerk here. People really do need to think about how to go about these things and do a bit of looking into things before jumping right out there with "worries" that could be easily calmed in other ways with a minimal amount of effort.

(p.s. when I started typing this the thread was on post #57. just for reference. but I really don't see anything being able to have been posted since then that would change anything I've written here)

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Now, all of that being said, if I can't get Deuce from Shawn, the only one who makes it, anymore as someone eluded to above I am going to be one unhappy camper.

 

[motorcity57]

tell me how you can add nic to "boost" nic strength, without loss of flavor?
the title of this thread "Do you trust this liquid?". my answer is NO.
The OP asked a question, a simple question. I saw no malice intended.
If the guy selling the juice, can't take the time to peel off the 16mg sticker before slaping the 24mg on it, it just makes me wonder. how many other short cuts do you get?
i never purchased from litecig, and now i never will.
why would i? there are hundreds of vendors, just move on to the next.

 

[svtboosted]

Thyestean, well said. Agree 100%.

 

[svtboosted]

tell me how you can add nic to "boost" nic strength, without loss of flavor?
the title of this thread "Do you trust this liquid?". my answer is NO.
The OP asked a question, a simple question. I saw no malice intended.
If the guy selling the juice, can't take the time to peel off the 16mg sticker before slaping the 24mg on it, it just makes me wonder. how many other short cuts do you get?
i never purchased from litecig, and now i never will.
why would i? there are hundreds of vendors, just move on to the next.

You do realize this is common practice right? LOTS of other vendors doing the same practices. Also, how about 100% USA made liquids? How do you feel on that?

How can you 'boost' nicotine strength? By adding a VERY small # of drops of EXTREMELY high strength pure nicotine to the mixture. Properly calculated formula of # of drop(s) added to 10ml of liquid gives you the desired strength.

 

[Thyestean]

I learned that this place is not friendly to new users and that there is alot of vendor loyalty here. In this case, warranted vendor loyalty.

I came in here with a very simple question and very justifiable concers. I never even mentioned the supplier unil I WAS ASKED. At the time...email communications between myself and the supplier were already taking place. I came here for a second opinion only to be treated like crap by most of the people here with the acception of a few who, on top of taking the time to read everything, also posess a little common sense and courtesy.

This place is friendlier to new users than anywhere else I have ever been on the internet. As you'll find once you have been here a little bit the vendor loyalty is warranted in most cases because the vendors who are allowed here are usually pretty trustworthy and alot of them are willing to bend over backwards for their customers because they realize they are in an industry that is growing by leaps and bounds practically overnight and that the customers have way to many options to not keep them happy. (yes I know that was a run-on and I don't care)

Statements like the "Mr. Messenger" sarcasm and the one in this quoted post about being treated like crap point more to your mindset than to the people here. That just points out to everyone that unless people at least show some agreement with you then you are going to dismiss them as being mean. Automatically assuming that everyone who didn't agree with you didn't take the time to read the entire thread is also foolish.

I personally read every word in every post in the thread before posting my first reply.

Take a look through the new members forum and see how many new threads there are just this week alone from first time posters and see how many people here tried to help them. Then try and say that people here are unfriendly to newcomers. You'll see you are wrong on that point and that the tone of reactions are usually directly related to the way the OP went about their inquiries.

Hopefully you don't take all of this in the wrong way and turn against these boards as you would be doing yourself quite a disservice.

Hope everything from here on out goes better for you and hope that anytime you have concerns you feel free to ask for help with them without feeling it necessary to start it out in a manner that appears hostile.

 

[SmilingSlasher]

First off ... yes this forum is for things exactly like this. Asking questions, finding answers, satisfying your own curiosities and concerns.

Unfortunately that is the only thing that has been said in this thread, by those defending the OP, that is worth anything. As for the rest of the comments defending the way the OP went about accomplishing those goals, they are just wrong.

The correct way to go about getting your concerns addressed would have been to :

(a) contact the vendor directly and ask him questions

(b) since chances are you didn't want to do that because you weren't sure whether or not to trust the vendors word (which really, if you've been a customer of shawns for any length of time whatsoever, you should know you can trust him), then you should have come here and looked around a bit, done a few searches on the forum first, checked the threads on shawns sub-forum, and seen what kind of information you could find.

What you should not do is:

(a) start a thread asking a question without at least trying to do some of the legwork yourself

(b) expect that an e-cig vendors site would be any different than any other site out there where if you want the full information on something you need to make sure you are checking into it thoroughly

(c) used people asking who the vendor was as an excuse to list his company name and then try and act like you were forced into doing so. you made the OP without including his name and when asked you could have easily said "well I really want to see what people think of this situation before I put the company name out there and cause problems for them without being sure of what I'm talking about"

(d) get sarcastic with members who are answering your questions and helping you get the info that you asked for and who are just pointing out to you the facts of what a post like this can cause.


Also do you really think that Shawn is the only vendor out there who does things this way?

Do you really think if it was something to be frowned upon that he would have it stated on the site, where any and all customers can easily find it with a single click, that he does things in this manner?

Do you really think that there is something safer about it being mixed overseas than by someone who is selling you the end product and has to deal with all customers on a "personal" basis unlike the manufacturers in China who have no worries about dealing with anyone but the vendors?

Not trying to be a .... here but just stating some common sense things. Luckily we all have easy access to tons of information in this community that we don't have with many other products we use on a daily basis. Unfortunately we also have easy access to public opinion and to public attention, which is a good thing to have but only when not abused by being to lazy to look into things for ourselves before we go out there and toss out information that is incomplete.

I personally am a customer of Shawns, as can be plainly seen in my signature, but by no means is my reaction to this thread from any sense of "fan" loyalty to him. I have posted in a similar fashion to posts by people about vendors I have never used but have spent time "talking" to through this forum and find to be good people, and I have also posted similarly to threads about vendors who I never have and never will order from.

People really need to realize that just because you don't mean to do harm by going about things in such a way doesn't mean that you won't be. How many times have any of you gone to a thread and only read the first few posts or just skimmed through it quickly without really getting all of the info? A lot I'm sure. And the fact that threads like this are now permanently left for anyone to view in any fashion means that there are plenty of people who will only read the first few posts and be misinformed by them and make a bad decision to avoid a great vendor.

As I said before, whether you(meaning anyone reading) think so or not, I am not trying to be a jerk here. People really do need to think about how to go about these things and do a bit of looking into things before jumping right out there with "worries" that could be easily calmed in other ways with a minimal amount of effort.

(p.s. when I started typing this the thread was on post #57. just for reference. but I really don't see anything being able to have been posted since then that would change anything I've written here)

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Now, all of that being said, if I can't get Deuce from Shawn, the only one who makes it, anymore as someone eluded to above I am going to be one unhappy camper.

You're the MAN, Thye!!! Well Spoken..........errr Typed!!!!

 

[shawnp1]

ok i think i can post here. so lets say u got a 10ml bottle of 16mg liquid and wated to make it 24mg. depending on the strength of the boost you use yes u could dilute it. using a high enough boost however there would be noticeable flavor loss at all. so taking that 10ml bottle and making 24mg i would essentially be adding approximately .2ml of boost to a ml bottle. that varies on the strength of the boost. if using a higher concentrate it could be .1 or less added to that same bottle. a very very minute amount.

 

[shawnp1]

geeesh i cant type fast enough lol

 

[TheAntiMartyr]

Thyestean, well said. Agree 100%.

I dont read walls of text! lol!

 

[Thyestean]

geeesh i cant type fast enough lol

lol ... I haven't typed that much that fast in quite some time. The worst part is now I feel like I need a smoke

Luckily I have some Deuce here though to take that need away



(p.s. you missed the word no before noticeable in your original reply and might want to fix it so what you said isn't misconstrued )

 

[mn shutterbug]

I'm just kind of wondering why Shawn himself didn't come in and defend himself, since he was obviously reading all this.

I agree it should have probably been taken care of between the OP and the company, but it wasn't and mistakes are made. It's a learning experience. Also, searching for info, due to the vast amount, isn't the easiest thing to do on the forum. At times, it can get just plain frustrating. it just seems much quicker to post the question. I wouldn't necessarily call it laziness, more like time management.

Also, I think the whole thread should be deleted by a mod.

 

[Thyestean]

I dont read walls of text! lol!

And that right there proves many of the things I stated.

I'd extend you good luck again as I did before but since you didn't bother reading it then there is no sense now as it just shows you only want to know what can be easily obtained and won't bother putting any effort into working things out for yourself.

Good day.

 

[juicefreak]

shawn, i've never ordered your juices, but i have ordered from several vendors on the forum and never had them boosted. i just got 500ml bottles straight from Dekang factory of 26mg, no problem at all and i'm not a vendor. I don't understand why any vendor on the forum would need to boost nic strength for something freely available from the factory. ??

now 48mg+ I can see it, because the factories don't provide it. everyone knows that it hand mixed.

sorry you got slammed for your practices though, b/c it sounds like it was clearly stated on your website.

lol my problem is i need to cut down my 26mg and not lose flavor.

 

[svtboosted]

I'm just kind of wondering why Shawn himself didn't come in and defend himself, since he was obviously reading all this.

I'm guessing its because he may not have been clear on ECF posting rules for suppliers. They can't just post anywhere they want.. maybe he was clearing things up with a moderator, since he DID eventually post here.. after saying "I think I can post here".