Do You Vape? Not In U.S. National Parks!
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Smoking causes cancer and KILLS not only the smoker but others around that smoker.
Alcohol can cause,
vaping = People don't like them Big Clouds and some Smell Funny too
These 3 should always be compared together
Alcohol can cause,
- Impaired judgment
- Decreased perception and coordination
- Blackouts (memory lapses, where the drinker cannot remember events that occurred while under the influence)
- Unconsciousness
- Unintentional injuries such as car crash, falls, burns, drowning
- Intentional injuries such as firearm injuries, sexual assault, domestic violence
- Alcohol poisoning
- High blood pressure, stroke, and other heart-related diseases
- Liver disease
- Nerve damage
- Permanent damage to the brain
vaping = People don't like them Big Clouds and some Smell Funny too
These 3 should always be compared together
Welcome to the future of vaping.
There are few things more absurd than a ban on vaping in National Parks.
But they are continually moving forward with efforts to lump vaping in with smoking.
And they are continually moving forward with places to eliminate smoking, or penalize smokers.
There is nothing too absurd for our ENEMIES.
How are you liking paying more for health insurance because you vape?
There's more where that came from, until we all stand up and tell them to shove it.
When will we do that, fellow vapers?
There are few things more absurd than a ban on vaping in National Parks.
But they are continually moving forward with efforts to lump vaping in with smoking.
And they are continually moving forward with places to eliminate smoking, or penalize smokers.
There is nothing too absurd for our ENEMIES.
How are you liking paying more for health insurance because you vape?
There's more where that came from, until we all stand up and tell them to shove it.
When will we do that, fellow vapers?
Good point, except for the conclusion - All of that, and yet you can still go buy a bottle of alcohol, you can drink it - heck even in a restaurant - IN PUBLIC. As long as you're not bothering other people. They gave up regulating it out of existence, which is what they are trying to do to e-cigs.
If they just "advised" to not blow clouds in public spaces - that'd be just fine.
Heck, it might be OK to have a fine for blowing a cloud at someone.
Just stop treating vaping like smoking...
If they just "advised" to not blow clouds in public spaces - that'd be just fine.
Heck, it might be OK to have a fine for blowing a cloud at someone.
Just stop treating vaping like smoking...
And really...nice article ending:
But even on the face of it, it might be annoying if you were trying to enjoy a scenic view of one of our national parks and someone blew a big puff of vapor in your face. Now you don't have to worry about that.
Um..OK. But if only outlaws can vape, then vapers will be...oh, nevermind.
Also -
COME AND GET ME - IN MY TENT, VAPING, SMOKEY.
But even on the face of it, it might be annoying if you were trying to enjoy a scenic view of one of our national parks and someone blew a big puff of vapor in your face. Now you don't have to worry about that.
Um..OK. But if only outlaws can vape, then vapers will be...oh, nevermind.
Also -
COME AND GET ME - IN MY TENT, VAPING, SMOKEY.
The only reason they would say something this stupid is because they think it will resonate.
And the only reason it would resonate is because of the well-planned demonization of smoking and smokers.
I do not advocate blowing a cloud in anyone's face.
And I doubt there is any vaper out there that would advocate for that.
But I'd find it far more annoying if someone had their little rug rats running around screaming and yelling.
That would disrupt the serenity of my "moment" far more than a cloud of vapor.
What did people do before we had all these rules?
Oh yeah, we worked things out and mostly got along.
One more place off my go to list.
Government
Oh yeah, we worked things out and mostly got along.
One more place off my go to list.
Government
Again the stupidity of those that make decisions that we are suppose to live by shows its ugly face. 
I guess I'll just have to keep doing what I've been doing for the 5+ years I've been vaping. I have vaped everywhere I wished to vape and that will continue. Call it my personal protest if you wish. I have no problem accepting the consequences.(only once in those 5 years have I been told I couldn't continue to vape where I was vaping and after some discussion I did continue and she didn't try to stop me again) Before anyone gets out of sorts with that statement please understand I don't need nor wish to vape 24 hours a day everywhere without using some common sense.
AHHHH Common Sense- that's the ingredient most often missing in this world today.
I guess I'll just have to keep doing what I've been doing for the 5+ years I've been vaping. I have vaped everywhere I wished to vape and that will continue. Call it my personal protest if you wish. I have no problem accepting the consequences.(only once in those 5 years have I been told I couldn't continue to vape where I was vaping and after some discussion I did continue and she didn't try to stop me again) Before anyone gets out of sorts with that statement please understand I don't need nor wish to vape 24 hours a day everywhere without using some common sense.
AHHHH Common Sense- that's the ingredient most often missing in this world today.
Did you ever think you would see the day where the USA and Communist Party of China would be on the same side to Ban something that can save lives?Sadly the majority of smokers seem to have allowed themselves to be beaten down and brainwashed to the point of just accepting and agreeing with whatever 'the powers that be' throw out there. I truly am glad that I am close to the end of my days. I can remember when we had at least some semblance of freedom to enjoy our lives in whatever pursuit of pleasure we chose. Seems to me that we have to many do-gooders and fearmongers among us and we just say ok, we will hide in our basement as to not offend.
China Considers a Complete Ban on Ecig Sales and Manufacturing - ChurnMag
China is the worlds leading manufacturer of vapor products BUT, China has the worlds largest smoking population, with an estimated 300 million daily smokers.
Roughly 2.4 trillion cigarettes are consumed annually, and China is the world’s largest producer of tobacco.
The Chinese government has a literal monopoly on its tobacco, and earns $95 billion annually from its tobacco taxes.
To put this in perspective, domestic tobacco sales are just over $80 billion.
Which means the Chinese government collects more in taxes from smoking, than the total combined sales of U.S. of tobacco products.
IMO Everyone is reading Way too much into this.
It's that Occam's razor thing. The simplest answer is probably the correct one.
It is ending a Giant ...... match before it ever gets started.
There are already no smoking rules in the parks. While you and I vapers know that Vape isn't smoke, it sure looks like that to Anyone who doesn't know better. And, honestly, that's all that Really Matters to those that make the decisions.
Here are your 2 most likely options. You allow Vaping and now you, the Dept of the Interior, has to Maybe deal with discrimination suits by smokers. Or, you can just lump Vapers into the same category, truly warranted or not, that the smokers Already Are In and Have No Problem except peed off Vapers, which are a very small, even smaller group, than smokers (see beforementioned possible lawsuits).
Just like everything else today.
No one wants The Right answer, just the Easiest one that mostly works.
Like this one.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl
It's that Occam's razor thing. The simplest answer is probably the correct one.
It is ending a Giant ...... match before it ever gets started.
There are already no smoking rules in the parks. While you and I vapers know that Vape isn't smoke, it sure looks like that to Anyone who doesn't know better. And, honestly, that's all that Really Matters to those that make the decisions.
Here are your 2 most likely options. You allow Vaping and now you, the Dept of the Interior, has to Maybe deal with discrimination suits by smokers. Or, you can just lump Vapers into the same category, truly warranted or not, that the smokers Already Are In and Have No Problem except peed off Vapers, which are a very small, even smaller group, than smokers (see beforementioned possible lawsuits).
Just like everything else today.
No one wants The Right answer, just the Easiest one that mostly works.
Like this one.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl
Sadly the majority of smokers seem to have allowed themselves to be beaten down and brainwashed to the point of just accepting and agreeing with whatever 'the powers that be' throw out there. I truly am glad that I am close to the end of my days. I can remember when we had at least some semblance of freedom to enjoy our lives in whatever pursuit of pleasure we chose. Seems to me that we have to many do-gooders and fearmongers among us and we just say ok, we will hide in our basement as to not offend.
As a guy who has worked in the transportation industry for 31 yrs I can tell you, IMO if you can't laugh at these fools you will go crazy!
Nothing goes up for a vote these days, because none of this nonsense would pass.
What insurance companies are charging extra to vapers?
From WebMD.com, although this information is contained on hundreds of governmental and non governmental websites:
Smokers and the Affordable Care Act: Q&A
Nicotine base is not currently defined as a tobacco product. If it were, then smoking cessation drugs that contain nicotine would also be cause for increased premiums. They are not, and you can even get your health insurance company to pay for them. Now required by law.
Did you ever think you would see the day where the USA and Communist Party of China would be on the same side to Ban something that can save lives?
China Considers a Complete Ban on Ecig Sales and Manufacturing - ChurnMag
China is the worlds leading manufacturer of vapor products BUT, China has the worlds largest smoking population, with an estimated 300 million daily smokers.
Roughly 2.4 trillion cigarettes are consumed annually, and China is the world’s largest producer of tobacco.
The Chinese government has a literal monopoly on its tobacco, and earns $95 billion annually from its tobacco taxes.
To put this in perspective, domestic tobacco sales are just over $80 billion.
Which means the Chinese government collects more in taxes from smoking, than the total combined sales of U.S. of tobacco products.
Been trying for over a year to tell people WHO is at the bottom(or top) of ALL of THIS. They are the HEALTH DICTATORS of the world and will use every dollar at their disposal to force their AGENDA.
Governments World Wide jump in line without Question.
The Powers that be - WHO/Big Tobacco have everyone either Fooled or in Pocket.
Science is Science and yet they REFUSE to Accept Scientific Data. Odd for a Health Origination, I would think.
I think it's a safe bet that if Pfizer or any other pharmaceutical company would of came out with Vaping products of their own, and it got as big as Vaping is now, there would be NO bans in any States of any kind.
Not even Big Tobacco can go against Big Pharma
Not even Big Tobacco can go against Big Pharma
Now that you mention it, Pfizer does make a nicotine inhaler:I think it's a safe bet that if Pfizer or any other pharmaceutical company would of came out with Vaping products of their own, and it got as big as Vaping is now, there would be NO bans in any States of any kind.
Not even Big Tobacco can go against Big Pharma
It's an approved smoking cessation device that your insurance company has to cover if you decide to quit. It's "approved"! Unfortunately, vapes aren't. But that doesn't mean that your choices are limited to one:
There's also the Nicorette inhaler from Johnson and Johnson.
Let's be realistic in what they are banning. Take Yosemite for example. Smoking is not allowed in the public buildings and certain places were I guess a fire is more likely to occur. When hiking you are not allowed to smoke while traveling on a trail. One is permitted to smoke when they stop. Don't quite understand that but there ya go.
Not quite the Armageddon people are portraying.
Not saying I agree with it, but eh. In this new USofA you can have a federal law that makes it illegal to use a certain substance but a state can allow it and nothing will happen to you. You can also have the federal government make it legal for anyone to be married yet when one person decides not to follow it, throw her in jail for 5 days by a US district Judge. It isn't like they could go to the next county and get one. For crying out loud it is a "moist county". Sheesh. For those unfamilar moist is part dry part wet. One cannot purchase alcohol in the county but you can drink it.
Not quite the Armageddon people are portraying.
Not saying I agree with it, but eh. In this new USofA you can have a federal law that makes it illegal to use a certain substance but a state can allow it and nothing will happen to you. You can also have the federal government make it legal for anyone to be married yet when one person decides not to follow it, throw her in jail for 5 days by a US district Judge. It isn't like they could go to the next county and get one. For crying out loud it is a "moist county". Sheesh. For those unfamilar moist is part dry part wet. One cannot purchase alcohol in the county but you can drink it.
There are other locations (such as Carlsbad Caverns) which I heartily agree with this policy. The ecosystems are rather fragile in some of these locations and should be protected.
Are you self-employed?
Because a lot of us, me included, are paying more for using nicotine.
There's lots of threads about it on this forum.
Mine is one of them...
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