Do You Vape? Not In U.S. National Parks!

[tj99959]

Why should you be surprised?
Ya vape wherever/whenever ya want, even if it's not the right thing to be doing, and then complain when they do something about it.

A lot of folks are out there to smell the roses ....... not your vape!

Simple question; when was the last time you paid attention to which way the wind was blowing before you took a puff?

 

[zapped]

Why are we willingly allowing ourselves to be relegated to some dark, smelly, unhealthy corner with the smokers?

There have been no credible studies that show that there is any danger at all from second hand vapor.

NOT true with cigarette smoke. There is a massive amount of evidence that shows that second hand smoke is bad for us, up to and including causing cancer.

Why should we be forced to put our health in jeopardy because some ill-informed idiots see vaping and smoking as virtually the same thing?

They arent.

One is imminently more healthy than the other. Both anecdotal evidence from this very forum and peer reviewed research studies show this rather conclusively.

So does basic math. A handful of chemicals in vaping has to better for us than over 4000 from smoking....especially when 69 of the chemicals found in cigarette smoke are known carcinogens.

Even an idiot should be able to see the simple truth of this statement.

CASAA and this forum have been strong advocates for vaping as harm reduction versus more traditional methods of tobacco usage and nicotine delivery.

How much of that harm reduction is negated by breathing in the nasty cigarette smoke that most of us had sense enough to walk away from?

After being completely cigarette free for almost 3 years now, the stench of cigarettes makes me nauseous and steals my breath away. I am sure I am not alone in this as well. Not by a long shot.

If they want to enforce no vaping in state parks or other areas then they need to provide areas for vapers that are separate from smokers.

As vapers we need to fight to separate and distance ourselves from smokers or we share the same fate!

We arent the same...but if we allow ourselves to be treated the same then ultimately we have no one else to blame but ourselves.


End rant.

 

[DC2]

I think it's a safe bet that if Pfizer or any other pharmaceutical company would of came out with Vaping products of their own, and it got as big as Vaping is now, there would be NO bans in any States of any kind.

As long as they are FDA approved.
That is how the game is played and why we are left grasping for straws.

 

[zapped]

The National Park service differs from Starbucks in that it actually sets aside spaces for smokers and vapers.Together.

So it isnt an outright ban.

A lot of other places, like amusement parks are also doing the same thing.

My point is that if they are going to restrict vaping to certain areas then they should realize many of us dont want to be around the smokers any more than the non smokers do.

I made a conscious decision years ago to switch to a lifestyle that I believe is healthier.Why would I want to willingly subject myself to that foulness again by being forced into the smoking area?

They have zero right to throw me or anyone else right back into that old lifestyle again just because they see them as similar.

We should be fighting for our own space in instances like this......our own vaping area, separate and apart from the smoking areas...partly for our own health but also to show them that there is a big difference between the two groups.

If the general public is always seeing vapers and smokers together then what do you think they will conclude?

 

[Completely Average]

I think a lot of people are making mountains out of molehills about this.

Right now there are only TWO places where you cannot smoke or vape in a national park.

1. Inside their concession stores.
2. Inside government owned vehicles such as tour busses.

And that is it. You can vape or smoke everywhere else in the park. On trails, in campgrounds, in parking lots, in your own car, pretty much everywhere. You just cannot vape or smoke inside the stores or in government owned vehicles such as tour busses. If that causes you problems then you REALLY need to give some thought about your vaping needs.

 

[zapped]

I think a lot of people are making mountains out of molehills about this.

Right now there are only TWO places where you cannot smoke or vape in a national park.

1. Inside their concession stores.
2. Inside government owned vehicles such as tour busses.

And that is it. You can vape or smoke everywhere else in the park. On trails, in campgrounds, in parking lots, in your own car, pretty much everywhere. You just cannot vape or smoke inside the stores or in government owned vehicles such as tour busses. If that causes you problems then you REALLY need to give some thought about your vaping needs.

Link?

 

[DC2]

Right now there are only TWO places where you cannot smoke or vape in a national park.

1. Inside their concession stores.
2. Inside government owned vehicles such as tour busses.

And that is it. You can vape or smoke everywhere else in the park. On trails, in campgrounds, in parking lots, in your own car, pretty much everywhere. You just cannot vape or smoke inside the stores or in government owned vehicles such as tour busses.

Link please?

 

[zapped]

"The document updates a 2009 director’s order outlining NPS’ policy toward smoking, which prohibits “the smoking of tobacco products in all interior space owned, rented, or leased by the executive branch of the Federal Government, and in any outdoor areas under executive branch control in front of air intake ducts.” Additionally, the order gives NPS superintendents discretion to disallow smoking in places “when necessary to protect park resources, reduce the risk of fire, or prevent conflicts among visitor use activities.” U.S. News reports that if a park superintendent were to prohibit outdoor smoking for any of those reasons, then vaping would also be prohibited."

It’s Now Illegal to Vape on Some National Park Service Land - City Desk

 

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National Park Service Bans E-Cigarette Use Where Smoking Prohibited - US News

Pay attention to the first paragraph. That contradicts Completely Averages statements about vaping only being banned in concession areas and government vehicles.

Jeremy Barnum, a spokesman for the Park Service, says if a park superintendent now decides to restrict outdoor smoking for reasons such as preventing forest fires, that restriction also would apply to electronic cigarettes.

??????

 

[BigEgo]

It's pretty preposterous to ban vaping in any outdoor area. Indoors, I can get behind. Outdoors in a wilderness is pretty silly. It's just indicative of where society is at today (nanny statism).

 

[LMS62]

IMO Everyone is reading Way too much into this.

It's that Occam's razor thing. The simplest answer is probably the correct one.

It is ending a Giant ...... match before it ever gets started.

There are already no smoking rules in the parks. While you and I vapers know that Vape isn't smoke, it sure looks like that to Anyone who doesn't know better. And, honestly, that's all that Really Matters to those that make the decisions.

Here are your 2 most likely options. You allow Vaping and now you, the Dept of the Interior, has to Maybe deal with discrimination suits by smokers. Or, you can just lump Vapers into the same category, truly warranted or not, that the smokers Already Are In and Have No Problem except peed off Vapers, which are a very small, even smaller group, than smokers (see beforementioned possible lawsuits).

Just like everything else today.

No one wants The Right answer, just the Easiest one that mostly works.

Like this one.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl

I agree with your post completely, as it is reasonable and well thought out. But, you have to remember that this is ECF, so the best course to take is simply blame the cloud chasers.

 

[zapped]

It's pretty preposterous to ban vaping in any outdoor area. Indoors, I can get behind. Outdoors in a wilderness is pretty silly. It's just indicative of where society is at today (nanny statism).

Especially when theres little to no danger of an ecig staring a fire to begin with.

 

[stevegmu]

I recently put a fused clapton in that same setup and I get about twice as much clouds.. gets ridiculous and its honestly almost annoying to use in public even though I'm vaping on "Mega Melons" by cuttwood which smells delicious and people should enjoy the smell of it I dont know how they couldn't. I see the vapor drift through and people obviously getting annoyed, but this is my style of vape.. I try to just take a drag when no ones around. Any of you guys get some funny looks when blowing clouds? Some of them are compliments, mostly by either drunk people or teenagers or mid twentiers being like damn how do you get that much smoke!? as they smoke on their tootle puffers.

2016 will be the year of vaping bans...

 

[FringeChief68]

2016 will be the year of vaping bans...

You mean it's going to get worst

 

[Electrodave]

Are you self-employed?

Because a lot of us, me included, are paying more for using nicotine.
There's lots of threads about it on this forum.

Mine is one of them...
Add me to the list of those getting screwed... | E-Cigarette Forum

I am self employed, but I buy insurance through the marketplace, as "Business Group of One" policies were eliminated by ACA. There are lots of ways to get screwed.
Vaping isn't one of them. The application asks about tobacco use, not nicotine use. The law clearly states that nicotine by itself is not a tobacco product.
By the way, not many people know this, but some time ago the IRS issued guidance (I'm an Enrolled Agent--I have a license to represent people in disputes with the IRS) that allows nicotine base for ejuice (but not ejuice itself) to be deducted as a medical device in the smoking cessation category.
If you answered "yes" to the tobacco question, but are only using ejuice and not smoking, then you screwed yourself. Call your insurance company.

 

[QU1T]

I do not advocate blowing a cloud in anyone's face.
And I doubt there is any vaper out there that would advocate for that.

Hmm, I had an argument here on the forum with a long time member,
He seriously thought nothing would be wrong with him blowing clouds in a supermarket, even in a child's face,
Not only that but he then thought I was being confrontational if I were to correct his would-be rude and disrespectful behaviour,
As that would mean 6ft+ of angry Irish/East EU material in his face if you do that to my kid.

People tend to run wild if no law is applicable, or even if the punishment is lightweight.

What did people do before we had all these rules?

Just curious, and for the sake of discussion only, what is "before"? (I was not around in the 60's or 70's and I am in EU also.)
What about prohibition though? and If we go back just a few blinks further, we used to throw our rubbish and faeces from windows out in to the streets, settle most arguments with a gun or knife.

Don't get me wrong though, I agree Govt. do overstep on many issues, vaping is one of them, a fair balance is needed,
You see, I don't want to have to correct people for puffing or blowing clouds in my sons face, in a supermarket

On the flip side though, I think smoking and or vaping in bars, clubs and cafes should be legalised, at the owners discretion!, if you don't like it, find another non smoking/vaping bar.
Balance is key...

 

[DC2]

If you answered "yes" to the tobacco question, but are only using ejuice and not smoking, then you screwed yourself. Call your insurance company.

Here is the company policy...
Add me to the list of those getting screwed... | E-Cigarette Forum

Tell me how to unscrew myself.

 

[caramel]

I suggest they should ban any device / product that is not essential to visiting parks.

 

[RebornLincoln06]

If people just accepted the fact that NOT everybody wants to be around your big, cloud chasing "clouds for dayzzzzz" clouds, none of this would be an issue. Well, it probably still would, but it wouldn't as big of an issue. I see no problems with this honestly, besides the fact that they said it's for "health concerns". What health concerns?

 

[FringeChief68]

There's a lot of people mentioning the cloud chasers and big clouds are the reason for Vape haters and Vape Bans.
This would be a different story if all the sudden after cloud chasing came on the scene, that then they got mad and tried to ban Vaping.
But the Haters have been trying to ban and get rid of Vaping long before half them cloud chasers even heard of Vaping.
They might give them some ammo to use, but they are not to blame for haters being haters.