Does Nicotine Level affect Vapour?

[mentalfloss]

Hi guys,

I bought a V2 mini-cigarette two weeks ago which I think is a great alternative to smoking. Anywho, I just wanted to do a quick bit of troubleshooting so if the regulars could help me out it would be greatly appreciated.

I originally started off with a zero nicotine cartridge and noticed that the smoke level was somewhat disappointing. I experimented with the brevity of intake and although I could get more vapour, performance was still somewhat inconsistent. I switched cartridges recently to a low nicotine cartridge and there has been a ton more smoke, but I'm second-guessing as to whether the level of nicotine has anything to do with it.

A couple of factors:
1.) I started with a fresh battery with the new cartridge
2.) I unfortunately lost a bit of liquid when I installed the zero nicotine cartridge the first time around.


So, yea, I highly doubt nicotine should have anything to do with it, but I'd like to smoke zero-nic cartridges in the future so this is an important factor. Does nicotine actually affect the vapour level? If so, how?


Thanks in advance,


Frank

 

[dc2k08]

not sure about vapour, but i do notice myself with a penstyle, i dont get the hit to the back of the throut on 0 nic. disappointing

 

[ApOsTle51]

I.ve found that i only get a throat hit with tobacco flavoured carts, Ive tried the 6 medley pack from smokester, all high nicotine in various flavours and i dont seem to get the throat hit with the flavoured stuff.
i could be wrong but i thought it was the nicotine you felt in the throat and not the vapour, just like real cigs the stronger the brand the bigger the throat hit.

 

[BettyRedondo]

Hi Frank, I vape high carts and my hubby has no nic, to be honest there seems no difference between the amount of vapour that is produced. Like dc says there is a difference in the taste or hit though, it seems less harsh than the nicotine ones. I hope that makes sense?

 

[mentalfloss]

not sure about vapour, but i do notice myself with a penstyle, i dont get the hit to the back of the throut on 0 nic. disappointing

When you say "hit" do you mean "nicotine fix" or the smoke just doesn't reach you're throat on zero? Because I did notice later on with 0 nic that I could only really make a pocket of smoke in my mouth, but that could be due to the leaked fluid...

 

[mentalfloss]

Hi Frank, I vape high carts and my hubby has no nic, to be honest there seems no difference between the amount of vapour that is produced. Like dc says there is a difference in the taste or hit though, it seems less harsh than the nicotine ones. I hope that makes sense?

Sweet!! I actually enjoy the act of smoking and don't have any craving for nicotine so this is very reassuring. Thanks for the clarification Betty.

 

[Kate]

I get plenty of vapour with low nic juice. I think the vapour is to do with amounts of propylene glycol, glycerine and alcohol in the juice and not the nic.

Good luck with cutting down or cutting out nicotine and welcome to the forum.

 

[MarcosBrazil]

Dear friends,

My wife and I are using the e-cigarettes for about 1 month now. So far we are very satisfied about it. We have just discovered this forum and it´s being a great source of information which we desperatly need since they don´t sell e-cigarettes here in Brazil yet and we had to import ours from the US.
As a matter of fact we are now trying to find out how to make this a real busines ourselves. The problems seems to be that it´s simply too good to be true. I smoke for about 30 years and dreamt about the day they would invent something to replace my addiction with something at least not so harmful.
Some basic questions still remain unanswered to me. Suppose I start to use the zero nicotine e-liquids or cartridges... is there any research proving that the other components are 100% safe? I mean, they say PG is approved by the FDA. But sounds to me that FDA was talking about other applications such as food or cosmetics. But have they already tested it´s vapour, the one we inhale while e-smoking?
If they already did and got to a conclusion, could someone be kind to send me the link?

Thank you!

Marcos

 

[MarcosBrazil]

I meant BUSINESS and not busines. And I meant DREAMED, not dreamt.
By the way, how do we edit our own messages after posting them? I looked for but just couldn´t find. I was really ashamed about my english...

 

[Kate]

Nobody worth worrying about is going to make judgements about you based on your spelling here Marcos, as long as you can make yourself understood that's good enough.

We don't know for sure that what we inhale is safe. Short term feedback from users here suggests there are sometimes sensitivity problems, especially with propylene glycol. Nobody has yet reported any serious or irreversible health problems as far as I know. Most of the time we don't even know what we're inhaling, the manufacturers do not put ingredient lists on cartridges and bottles of eliquid. We try to gather research data and ingredient lists but there is not very much official stuff yet, it's such a new thing to inhale vapour the way we do.

There are discussions about safety on this board - Health, Safety and E-Smoking - e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat. You might want to browse around there for some more information.

Here are some specific threads that you might find useful -
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-e-cig-related-legal-medical-information.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ion/2202-ingredients-cartridges-e-liquid.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ble-glycerine-glycerol-safety-discussion.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g-pg-perhaps-not-great-unknown-after-all.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/1734-germ-killing-vapor.html

Welcome to the forum.

 

[MarcosBrazil]

Kate,

Thank you very much for the quick response. The fact is that chinese manufacturers don't make things easy to their consumers. I received a box with absolutely no indication of the company, telephone, e-mail, nothing! Doesn't sound professional or serious behaviour.
Despite of that I like the feeling and somehow doubt that it can be worse than smoking regular cigarettes after all. Therefore we decided to take the risks of stepping into the unknown, specially because the "known" isn't good either anyway.
I will carefully read all the threads you recommended.

Once again, thank you very much.

Marcos

 

[icemanmaz]

I find that the VG produces more vapour dont know why.

 

[jigtg]

Depends on how much PG is in e-liquid. Even water is dangerous if you drink too much you know. As I calculated http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g-pg-perhaps-not-great-unknown-after-all.html , commonly accepted Acceptable Daily Intake limit for PG can quite easily exceed if you have enough PG in e-liquid. Actually it exceeds already. See section 1.2.4.1 of Propylene Glycol excerpted from NTP-CERHR expert panel on the reproductive and developmental toxicity of propylene glycol - The Center For The Evaluation Of Risks To Human Reproduction (CERHR) NTP-CERHR-PG-03 May 2003 . Either way, since there is alot of PG in e-liquid, we are receiving alot more PG than average John Doe. So we are guinea pigs. I doubt we ever know how safe PG really is because even people that made those recommendations have used safety factors like 100.

 

[Kate]

That's a bit of a worry. At the moment I dilute ready made juice with veg glycerine but I've just bought some pg and was going to use half vg and half pg.

I hope it's not easy to over do it with pg, if we get evidence of that we'll have to lobby liquid manufacturers to use mostly vg. Luckily Johnson Creek already offer a non pg option for those who are concerned.

 

[MarcosBrazil]

I've just bought some e-liquids from Johnson Creek.
Before I decided which one to choose, PG or not PG, I asked the owner what was the point of offering non-PG if he claimed that PG was safe. He answered me that a small group of people could present sensibility to PG and if I didn't include myself in that group, I should go for the PG formula, which I did.
Now, from what I am reading here the non-PG would be the VG (Vegetal Glycerin). Is that right?
What would be the major issue about the VG formula then?

 

[Kate]

It's a tricky call Marcos. All we have is anecdotal evidence, opinion and some research papers we gather that are usually not about inhaling substances.

Some people are indeed sensitive to propylene glycol and can't use eliquid from anywhere other than Johnson Creek or homemade. There are views that pg is good for stopping infections or that it's good in other ways and there are views such as the one Jigtg put forward that we might be getting too high a dose for safety. We basically don't know, all we can do is gather facts and make up our own minds. Personally I don't mind taking the risk too much, I haven't shown any short term symptoms and won't worry too much until someone comes up with a more serious condition than sensitivity that we can directly attribute to pg.

Vegetable glycerine is another ingredient like pg that creates vapour and simulates smoke. It was thought that vg could be turned into a carcinogen when heated by our atomisers but research and medical opinion do not think there is a risk of that happening. Again, all you can do is inform yourself with what evidence can be found and make an educated decision. Personally I'm not worrying about vg either until there is evidence of someone suffering bad health from using it.

We spend a lot of time scaring each other on this forum, lol. We look closely into the health aspects of inhaling vapour. Mainly because it's not something that people have done very much in the past and we need to uncover hazards before they become a crisis. As long as you are patient you usually get all sides of an argument in the long run and enough opinion to make your own judgement. It's not a good idea to have knee jerk reactions here because often we're just exploring possibilities.

If I were you I wouldn't worry about buying pg juice. Just be aware of health changes and if you have a bad reaction stop using it. Chances are you'll be fine. Of course that's a judgement you'll have to make for yourself, don't take my word for it ...