Does the new Regulation have a point?
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I've been a member of this forum since 2008 but not very active for the last seven years. Is it ok to mention the names of the big tobacco giants selling refillables on this thread?
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Those figures can't be right. Neither Vype nor Vuse or Nicoventures sell refillable devices, so that's at least half the tobacco interest in the UK. Blu sell refillable, but we know that they will stop this in 2016 and sell only the pre-filled cartomizers, so that's another fair percentage. E-Lites (Japan tobacco) only sell, well, E-Lites.
Who else is there who is a tobacco company?
BluCigs: Winner Best Electronic Cigarette Product 2015!
Owner:Lorillard. Now Imperial Tobacco - But you mentioned they will stop. I haven't seen them saying that though, but not looked hard enough maybe.
Intellicig - British American Tobacco
I'll try and find some more
Hi Chesney, I'll try responding to your individual statements one at a time, it with hopefully stop me from getting all tied up in knots with my reply.
Statement 1: Might be a self fulfilling prophecy
Statement 2: I am extremely happy that you have managed to stop smoking - with the help of vaping
Statement 3: Every atomiser I have seen on the market, with the exception of disposable cigalikes is refillable (correct me if I'm wrong) and I can't see why this fact should make you embarrassed or disappointed to be honest
Statement 4: Every home has a number of toxic/poisonous chemicals present in them, various cleaning solutions, toilet cleaners, polishes - all sorts of nasty stuff, I would assume that they are kept out of the reach of children
Statement 5: A million ?. I would have thought something like a few hundred, most are combinations of flavours or variations on a theme. With regards to the Massive and awkward mods and large tanks, my two favourite setups at the moment are the Vapor Shark rDNA40 with a SQuape R(s) on top and the other is a Solara with a SQuape R sitting on it. I would consider both these devices to be medium sized, comfortable to use and suit my vaping style perfectly
Statement 6: When you take a look at the polls and studies of the e-liquids the vapers use, the vast majority don't use tobacco or menthol, they use the very flavours the powers that be say target teenagers.
Statement 7: On you-tube, I'll admit the vast majority you'll see are cloud chuckers, but like reality TV, this is not real life. Most vapers are happy with an ego or istick with a clearo on top and getting a satisfying vape that's keeping them off the cigs. My wife has been vaping for the last 9 months on a CE4 and loving it, she's just started using my old nautilus mini
Statement 8: I think a problem arose because vaping, over the past few years, has exploded into a billion dollar industry and governments, suffering from dwindling revenue from tobacco sales, have gone into meltdown and in blind panic, picked on what they considered to be the easiest target, vaping, in order to redress the shortfall
Statement 9: It just feels wrong, everything about the situation we now find ourselves in IS wrong and it's all down to greedy governments and certain large business interests losing money. The government was never actually going to do anything about the "alco-pop" issue, because they were already guaranteed their cut. I wouldn't like to see a restriction on the amount of flavours, or flavour bans, choice is what we need - it should be a right
Statement 10: No on both counts
I hope the way I've done this makes sense to some of you guys out there, feeling tired tonight, probably just wrote the biggest pile of crap - Vape on Dude
Vividvapours dot com owned by philip Morris, they do liquid too
More difficult to find than I thought so I may have been inadvertantly exaggerating, sorry.
Blimey, Very comprehensive, well done, good effort, 10 out of ten, literally
You were a pioneer in the early days of e-cigs? If so, you are due a whole lorry-load of respect, so I'm not going to deny you that compliment.
Blu did not really win any real prize. They self-awarded themselves a "gong" by a grocery store (supermarket) customer purchases analysis company. About 1,100 people were quizzed about products they bought or didn't buy and in the e-cig research Blu beat E-lites. Now, some supermarkets only sell Blu and E-lites... so no surprise Blu got a better response than E-lites, as the Blu Pro is a far superior device to the worst and most expensive cig-a-like category product (E-Lites). 1 refill £3.99. 40 cigarettes... well, you know how this industry works. Blu is infintely better than E-Lites.
Trouble is Blu are not into refillables for the long haul. Supporting the TPD means they support; Ban on liquid over 20mg, on tanks over 2ml, on all products unless they are tamper/leaf proof. The Blu Pro doesn't meet the necessary standards on the tamper/leak element, so it will be banned. They are using every trick in the book to corner the market, appease the vaping community and wipe out the competition. Many of the shops in the Midlands now sell Blu exclusively. They made business offers which Morrisons, Co-operative and corner stores could not turn down. It is genius business. Genius business that will leave all of us with single use cartomizers unless Totally Wicked can stop the TPD through the courts.
Blu did not really win any real prize. They self-awarded themselves a "gong" by a grocery store (supermarket) customer purchases analysis company. About 1,100 people were quizzed about products they bought or didn't buy and in the e-cig research Blu beat E-lites. Now, some supermarkets only sell Blu and E-lites... so no surprise Blu got a better response than E-lites, as the Blu Pro is a far superior device to the worst and most expensive cig-a-like category product (E-Lites). 1 refill £3.99. 40 cigarettes... well, you know how this industry works. Blu is infintely better than E-Lites.
Trouble is Blu are not into refillables for the long haul. Supporting the TPD means they support; Ban on liquid over 20mg, on tanks over 2ml, on all products unless they are tamper/leaf proof. The Blu Pro doesn't meet the necessary standards on the tamper/leak element, so it will be banned. They are using every trick in the book to corner the market, appease the vaping community and wipe out the competition. Many of the shops in the Midlands now sell Blu exclusively. They made business offers which Morrisons, Co-operative and corner stores could not turn down. It is genius business. Genius business that will leave all of us with single use cartomizers unless Totally Wicked can stop the TPD through the courts.
Yes, I am a veteran ecig user, thanks for the respect, much appreciated. I bought the massively expensive at the time, Gamucci. They deserve respect too, for still plugging away.
Gamucci.. yes! They were one of the only brands that stood up favourably in testing for nicotine content.
and now?
This is the only thing that concerns me. The only reason I vape is because of a nicotine addiction. While all the other raw materials can be found and used for other industries, its the addictive and dangerous nature of nicotine that will ether force sellers to don 'child proof caps' on their bottles or restrict consumer sales of it all together.
I've also been vaping since July 2008. Even though the choice was very limited (especially in the UK) back then, there were far cheaper than Gamucci available.
You mean what do I use now? I found a very Honorable supplier that I've used since 2008, its not refillable or moddy or complicated. I wouldn't want to mention them in this kind of forum of pro liquid vapers really, not without asking them first. They have a small few thousand loyal customers and they have always refused to go down the liquid refilling route based on the principle that it was unnecessarily risky.
I use their bigger battery that lasts more than all day long chain vaping. I use the extra high strength slightly larger cartomizers. One cartomiser lasts all day, unless I'm really going for it, in which case, maybe one and a bit. They cost just over £1 for each cartomiser. The throat hit and nicotine hit are better than any refillable I've tried, but I haven't tried many. The batteries and chargers are guaranteed for life, if it dies I get a free replacement, the current battery I use has lasted more than a year though.
I guess once you find what works for you, then you stick with it, a bit like the tobacco brands.
I don't agree that all vapers are addicts who are just looking for their nicotine fix. There are a lot of people who vape with no nicotine at all. I smoked for 41 years, so perhaps I'd fall into the nicotine addict category....but the big difference is with open tank systems, I have control over the amount and quality of nicotine and other ingredients I ingest. I use some of the newest equipment, in terms of tanks, not because I want to impress anyone with large clouds, but because I find it more satisfactory. There is no doubt in my mind that the nautilus I used to use may have kept me off cigarettes long term, but I never found it totally satisfying. Now I can build to my tastes, and to my equipment. As far as flavors go, I'm of the opinion that as adults, we are the experts on what we like and don't like. I'm not into sweet foods or sweet vapes, but my buddy is. We have the freedom, albeit perhaps only for a short time, to choose the flavors that we individually enjoy. I don't think we as vapers have brought legislation down upon ourselves any more than I think a woman who dresses in a certain way that she finds comfortable invites unwanted sexual contact. Most of us, I think, just want to be left alone, to dress/vape/dance as we choose.
Not surprised they only have a few loyal customers.
What are the others that you have tried?
Well put. I quite like quick and easy cartomisers so I don't have to put too much time and effort into being the addict I know I am. I am already feeling a little silly again for using my ecig, I quite fancy going cold turkey, just for the challenge. I've been 7 years on it though, maybe its the seven year itch.
The problem is Blu can afford to lose money hand over fist in the effort to corner out the small vendors. That is the biggest challenge against the cigalikes from BT, they have money to lose because any losses are far less than the cost of losing smokers. It's similar to the airline industry, if a low fare carrier comes into a delta airport Delta can afford the losses of charging 30 bucks a ticket for long enough that the low fare carrier goes under then raise the prices to double what they were to make the money back. I don't think BT is trying to take over the vape market they are just trying to financially crush the opposition so that they can go back to business as usual.
I've tried ego t types, lately I tried the blu thing, large and small, and the vype thing. I find, although the refillable types give plenty of nicotine, I found it difficult to get heat in the vapour enough to feel like a cigarette. Nothing comes quite close enough to a super heated hot smoke from a burning cigarette but mine comes as close as I could find. I end up puffinf like mad, inhaling loads but feeling like its not enough, then feeling a bit queezy from nicotine overdose.
By the way, its a few thousand I've heard they have not a few. God help me if it gets down to a few, the price might go up
I might try stopping altogether soon anyway, its getting a bit tedious again. I got like that with tobacco, it gets tedious, I feel like a knob for being an addict then I rise to the challenge of going cold turkey. Having said that, I tried going without earlier and lasted about 40 minutes
This is also what I think BT are up to, its small change for them
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