Does the new Regulation have a point?
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I've tried ego t types, lately I tried the blu thing, large and small, and the vype thing. I find, although the refillable types give plenty of nicotine, I found it difficult to get heat in the vapour enough to feel like a cigarette. Nothing comes quite close enough to a super heated hot smoke from a burning cigarette but mine comes as close as I could find. I end up puffinf like mad, inhaling loads but feeling like its not enough, then feeling a bit queezy from nicotine overdose.
By the way, its a few thousand I've heard they have not a few. God help me if it gets down to a few, the price might go up
I might try stopping altogether soon anyway, its getting a bit tedious again. I got like that with tobacco, it gets tedious, I feel like a knob for being an addict then I rise to the challenge of going cold turkey. Having said that, I tried going without earlier and lasted about 40 minutes
If you have only tried ego t, blu & vype, there is no wonder you "found it difficult to get heat in the vapour enough to feel like a cigarette" There really are so many better products than those on the market these days
I already feel like a bit of an silly addict using my convenient smoking alternative which is already much more complicated than setting fire to a paper stick. So if I have to start refilling and re-atomising I really would prefer to stop. Plus, what I do now is perfectly acceptable to me, so I'm sticking to it until I decide not to bother at all, but thanks, and I'm sure there are very good alternative refillable vaping devices, I just choose the more convenient, more discreet option.If you have only tried ego t, blu & vype, there is no wonder you "found it difficult to get heat in the vapour enough to feel like a cigarette" There really are so many better products than those on the market these days
I'm not surprised at the denial of addiction that some people post. I understand the denial and justification by way of enjoyment. They should sacrifice what one may consider wonderous enjoyment of vaping for a couple of days, then report how they feel
I've only been off of fire sticks for a little over one month. It took me a few months just to get the nerve up to try my first cig-a-like, of course it was Blu Ecigs. Day 1 was ruff, I finished my last pack before I bought it so I didn't have any laying around. Breathing through a straw is generous, more like a coffee straw that has been crushed. I had went online and found for some people the cig-a-likes were just not going to work.
I then went to the local tobacco shop and they sold me a Aspire K1 kit and some ejuice that I was able to try out before buying. Better but not quite what I needed. Then came the adjustable Nautilus Mini kit, way better. I then figured out that I was killing the battery way before the day was through, more was needed.
I went to the full size Nautilus tank with an Eleaf iStick 30w, almost a whole day and I can use my extra batteries for when my 30w is dead just before bedtime. I'll be stepping up to a 50w or 60w battery and I'll be good for all day. The flavor and throat hit is better by a insane amount. I'm not a "cloud" guy and I use them M2L just like my Winstons, if I stopped at cig-a-likes I'd probably still be giving Winston my money.
I've only used tobacco flavors, but how much of it tastes like tobacco? Very little, maybe a hint. Space Jam Eclipse is my ADV, but it tastes more like vanilla and caramel than it does tobacco. I'm actually considering the dessert flavors because I've tried a few and liked them. I only buy from known manufacturers in the US.
How would regulation have helped me? I haven't smoked in over a month and my equipment has already paid for itself. I've went from 24mg with the Blu to 18mg with the K1 to 12mg with my Nautilus tanks.I recently sent a letter to our governor about how his tax bill that he'd like to enact on e juice wouldn't be to my liking. No REGULATION was involved! It was all about money, just an insanely high tax! It was dropped by him a few days later. I know it wasn't because of my individual letter, but enough letters must have been sent to cause some thought.
If it has went bad in Europe then I feel sorry for you guys, and I wholeheartedly agree it's about money. BT ($80 to $90 US a week), Pharma (Doc visit for $30 to $50 co-pay then expensive prescriptions up to and over $100), and Gov (most of the cost of a pack is tax) stand to lose the most money and they seem to be out to get the entire vaping community for cutting into their margins. If it was about saving the children then why would my own governor try to pass a bill that only raised taxes and did nothing else?
Sorry for the long post, I guess nobody can accuse me of trying to pad my post count
I then went to the local tobacco shop and they sold me a Aspire K1 kit and some ejuice that I was able to try out before buying. Better but not quite what I needed. Then came the adjustable Nautilus Mini kit, way better. I then figured out that I was killing the battery way before the day was through, more was needed.
I went to the full size Nautilus tank with an Eleaf iStick 30w, almost a whole day and I can use my extra batteries for when my 30w is dead just before bedtime. I'll be stepping up to a 50w or 60w battery and I'll be good for all day. The flavor and throat hit is better by a insane amount. I'm not a "cloud" guy and I use them M2L just like my Winstons, if I stopped at cig-a-likes I'd probably still be giving Winston my money.
I've only used tobacco flavors, but how much of it tastes like tobacco? Very little, maybe a hint. Space Jam Eclipse is my ADV, but it tastes more like vanilla and caramel than it does tobacco. I'm actually considering the dessert flavors because I've tried a few and liked them. I only buy from known manufacturers in the US.
How would regulation have helped me? I haven't smoked in over a month and my equipment has already paid for itself. I've went from 24mg with the Blu to 18mg with the K1 to 12mg with my Nautilus tanks.I recently sent a letter to our governor about how his tax bill that he'd like to enact on e juice wouldn't be to my liking. No REGULATION was involved! It was all about money, just an insanely high tax! It was dropped by him a few days later. I know it wasn't because of my individual letter, but enough letters must have been sent to cause some thought.
If it has went bad in Europe then I feel sorry for you guys, and I wholeheartedly agree it's about money. BT ($80 to $90 US a week), Pharma (Doc visit for $30 to $50 co-pay then expensive prescriptions up to and over $100), and Gov (most of the cost of a pack is tax) stand to lose the most money and they seem to be out to get the entire vaping community for cutting into their margins. If it was about saving the children then why would my own governor try to pass a bill that only raised taxes and did nothing else?
Sorry for the long post, I guess nobody can accuse me of trying to pad my post count
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Sure it is wrong. Vaping industry is not a friend, it is business. It wants new customers, it wants to hooks youngsters on vaping. High wattage, high juice consumption,big clouds, high profits.
That's why I am not a CASAA member, nor I ever said I I belong to anti-ANTZ movement.
The way vaping is developing is troubling.
I have a suspicion who you might buy from actually, and fair play.
There's nothing wrong with using prefilled cartomizers IF you get the right deal and they suit you.
I tried them, first with E-Lites and then JacVapour. I vape about 2ml a day of liquid now in refillable stuff. The cig-a-likes never got me off the smokers. E-Lites would have cost me thousands of pounds a year, comfortably, and JacVapour, whilst cheaper were never as easy to use because of the tiresome charging and what have you. That's where Chrissie stepped in.
That lead me to bigger batteries and self-filled cartos. I've thanked her often and proudly remind folk of her achievement in the e-cig community.
What non tobacco derived nicotine are you using or are you on 0% nic?
Since you seem to be against the use of colorful labels and "kiddie" type flavors is it safe to assume that you're also against the following products?
Because if you're not then doesn't that make you a bit of a hypocrite?
Yes, I would think that was irresponsible if I was making those drinks, but I don't think we should be nannied either, I just think people should look after their kids and make up their own mind, just be aware of the facts. Its an interesting debate though, do we really need nannying ? Would we all get a bit out of control without any rules at all? That was kind of the point of this thread, just posing the bigger question, not really putting the case for nannying or not nannyingSince you seem to be against the use of colorful labels and "kiddie" type flavors is it safe to assume that you're also against the following products?
Because if you're not then doesn't that make you a bit of a hypocrite?
No rules is complete anarchy, not sure the majority of people would think anarchy was a great idea. But why not? if they complain about being the rules, give them no rules and see how they manage.
I use prefilled cartomisers with nicotine, I use the electronic cigarette to deliver my nicotine, I wouldn't see any point in using it without the drug, nor do I see any point in decaffeinated coffee
My Cartomiser lasts almost all day and my battery more than a day, and I constantly use it, without restriction at work and at home. I have no need for a longer lasting battery, but I get the point, most cigalike batteries are small and don't last long and the charging thing would be an issue with them. I keep back ups on charge most places I go, and swap them regularly to keep the batteries topped up. I'm a proper addict, I plan aheadI have a suspicion who you might buy from actually, and fair play.
There's nothing wrong with using prefilled cartomizers IF you get the right deal and they suit you.
I tried them, first with E-Lites and then JacVapour. I vape about 2ml a day of liquid now in refillable stuff. The cig-a-likes never got me off the smokers. E-Lites would have cost me thousands of pounds a year, comfortably, and JacVapour, whilst cheaper were never as easy to use because of the tiresome charging and what have you. That's where Chrissie stepped in.
That lead me to bigger batteries and self-filled cartos. I've thanked her often and proudly remind folk of her achievement in the e-cig community.
Ok. I really enjoy debates like this, but I can't let things like this stand.
The Beck's Hello Kitty was a photoshop from Blingee.com and Pop-Tart Vodka was an April Fools joke.
There are Hello Kitty branded alcohols, but they are sold in China.
Government stepping into this market is too important a topic to use fake comparisons in your arguments. Imagine if someone from a lobbying group used these images in a pitch to a governmental agent and then had them exposed as fakes. Their entire argument would be tainted.
Lets stay on topic, please.
For every Photoshopped silly one there are a dozen real ones..
The images were an exaggeration, but the point still stands.
Also that "Loopy" one is literally marketed as "Fruit Loops flavored Vodka"...
My Cartomiser lasts almost all day and my battery more than a day, and I constantly use it, without restriction at work and at home. I have no need for a longer lasting battery, but I get the point, most cigalike batteries are small and don't last long and the charging thing would be an issue with them. I keep back ups on charge most places I go, and swap them regularly to keep the batteries topped up. I'm a proper addict, I plan ahead
No need to justify anything chesney - my post said
...and fair play.
There's nothing wrong with using prefilled cartomizers IF you get the right deal and they suit you.
I wasn't trying to criticize your choice, only that cig-a-likes didn't work for me.
Personally part of the appeal for me is the variety of combinations we have access to when it comes to flavors. This has been huge for me when it comes to quitting cigarettes- it's like a whole new hobby with endless avenues of exploration- and it satisfies my cravings. I think ultimately it is the users responsibility to ensure the safety of their own children.
For every Photoshopped silly one there are a dozen real ones..
The images were an exaggeration, but the point still stands.
Also that "Loopy" one is literally marketed as "Fruit Loops flavored Vodka"...
I had no problem with the point. My problem was with presenting fake images as if they were real products.
In fact I agree with the comparisons, however using the Alcohol industry as a baseline for marketing may not be the right idea for this industry.
The "but Johnny gets to do that" argument almost never works, at home or in Congress. We don't have huge lobbying efforts paid for from massive profits.
The battle for flavors has to be separate from the battle for attractive packaging, otherwise I fear we will lose both.
Whether we like it or not, vaping is lumped with smoking for most of the population. BT encourages the misconception to ensure that when regulations come down from on high it will be regs which they have experience with. They know what the boundaries will be and how to skirt them or buy their way out of them. I don't know what BT's end game is other than they want to ensure their profit stream, but we cant battle them and BP and governments at the same time head on.
Fight for what is crucial today - not letting BT be in charge of the vape industry. And save the rest for when the industry is more mature.
Keep in mind BP's stake in this. Not only the cessation items and drugs, but also chemotherapy.
In 2013/14 I was being treated for cancer, at one time I was taking Xeloda for a 5 month regimen.
It was costing me & my insurance co. $33.50 a pill and I was prescribed 8 a day. That adds up to $268.00 a day/$1876.00 a week. This was only a fraction of the 100s of thousands that went to the hospital, surgeons, radiologists, & oncologist.
If smoking is eliminated as a major contributor to cancer not only is BP affected but many areas in the medical industry!!
In 2013/14 I was being treated for cancer, at one time I was taking Xeloda for a 5 month regimen.
It was costing me & my insurance co. $33.50 a pill and I was prescribed 8 a day. That adds up to $268.00 a day/$1876.00 a week. This was only a fraction of the 100s of thousands that went to the hospital, surgeons, radiologists, & oncologist.
If smoking is eliminated as a major contributor to cancer not only is BP affected but many areas in the medical industry!!
Sorry, I had probably had wine and failed to completely understand. There was no offence taken or anything
I treat my ecigarettes like a means to an end. I'm slightly embarrassed to be addicted to something that is essentially not necessary to everyday existence.
It's been very interesting reading your posts.
I can't treat my vaping like a hobby or get excited about it. I do now better understand why some do.
So I guess for most in the beginning it was seen as a better way to quit smoking. Maybe more of the initial users were sick of being addicts too. Also, ecigs were marketed differently in the beginning. It was more about quitting.
Now it seems to have developed into a hobby that people genuinely believe they enjoy.
I do kind of enjoy being addicted. It keeps my mind busy so these threads reminded me of a time when I was convinced I also enjoyed a cigarette.
Everyone is at different stages of addiction. Most are entirely in denial and will hate that I just said that.
I would never tell anyone that I use an ecigarette for enjoyment, I tell them I use it to give me the drug I'm addicted to and as it's no longer doing me any harm , that's why I continue.
I tell my children that and anyone else that might ask.
To me, the way the market went was embarrassing but I have a better understanding of why it went that way and how it was very inevitable.
So thanks, I like learning new stuff especially the psychology bits.
It's been very interesting reading your posts.
I can't treat my vaping like a hobby or get excited about it. I do now better understand why some do.
So I guess for most in the beginning it was seen as a better way to quit smoking. Maybe more of the initial users were sick of being addicts too. Also, ecigs were marketed differently in the beginning. It was more about quitting.
Now it seems to have developed into a hobby that people genuinely believe they enjoy.
I do kind of enjoy being addicted. It keeps my mind busy so these threads reminded me of a time when I was convinced I also enjoyed a cigarette.
Everyone is at different stages of addiction. Most are entirely in denial and will hate that I just said that.
I would never tell anyone that I use an ecigarette for enjoyment, I tell them I use it to give me the drug I'm addicted to and as it's no longer doing me any harm , that's why I continue.
I tell my children that and anyone else that might ask.
To me, the way the market went was embarrassing but I have a better understanding of why it went that way and how it was very inevitable.
So thanks, I like learning new stuff especially the psychology bits.
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