Does this seem right to you?

[stevegmu]

I vape. I don't even see the issue as a fight. Regulation is what developed societies do, some more so than others. The FDA has 100's of projects; they don't care so much about vaping. I don't think much of anything will change due to regulations...

 

[caramel]

What more regulations cost:

and what they achieve:

 

[zoiDman]

... I don't think much of anything will change due to regulations...

 

[stevegmu]

Not everyone believes the fearmongerimg, which has been going on since I have been on this site. Every other month would be the end of vaping...

 

[zoiDman]

Not everyone believes the fearmongerimg, which has been going on since I have been on this site. Every other month would be the end of vaping...

Yeah... I remember you saying the Same Thing in an Indiana Thread.

 

[beckdg]

fearmongerimg

Bless his little heart...

Tapatyped

 

[stevegmu]

Yeah... I remember you saying the Same Thing in an Indiana Thread.

What happened there? Nothing? Has vaping ended in Indiana?

 

[beckdg]

...and maybe this is what it took for more in the ecig industry along with more ecig users to finally take notice, that this might actually effect them personally, that they might have skin in the game. If you consider the amount of current ecig users (estimated at about 10% of adult population) and vape shops across the US (estimated at 15 thousand) (reference for stats - E-cigarette usage surges in past year: Reuters/Ipsos poll| Reuters comparatively... our side has had and really continues to have a rather pathetic show of support.

Exactly

Historically 10% almost always guarantees a win.

With that number, we should be fighting for no restrictions at all.

Then as our information improves and is double checked scientifically, WE should be setting the standards and restrictions as do many other groups with a small percent of our population.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

True... and for that I think we must blame the ANTZ... they've carried on their "smoking kills everybody who ever inhales a single whiff" rhetoric with such stunning results -- bans everywhere -- that a lot of folks probably think, "What's the use? They're gonna ban it anyway." Having The Powers That Be always against you is bound to result in widespread apathy and resignation. When you're beating your head against a wall, it feels good when you stop and simply accept the presence of said wall.

Andria

I hated liking this post for the record. But you're right.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

I sort of agree YoursTruli - sort of! LOL

I still blame the ANTZ for their part, but I still blame the ones who give up too easily - I know I'm hard headed, but for others who get tired of beating their head against that wall, just take a short break, then go back to beating on it.

Just imagine if every vaper did JUST ONE THING to help the cause - write their rep or senator, join casaa, donate to casaa, educate peers, etc. - I doubt we'd be preparing for the hammer to fall now.

If 1% did one thing, we'd be facing...

Anything we wanted.

Tapatyped

 

[zoiDman]

What happened there? Nothing? Has vaping ended in Indiana?

Oh sure steve, things are Great in Indiana.

BTW - Do you happen to use a Vuse by any chance?

 

[beckdg]

I really have to agree with you Katt. Freedom is won, not given. And if most ignore the issue and don't even try to join the fight it's awfully hard to gain freedom. If all vapers spoke up it would be monstrously loud and impossible to ignore. But that doesn't seem to be the case unfortunately.

I'm not going to blame anyone for not fighting hard enough... or not fighting at all. It's an individual choice. But I won't have much sympathy when the freedom to vape is lost and the folks who never even joined the fight start whining.

I know the folks in this thread see the future and what is going to happen as a result of the complacent attitude most vapers seem to have. So I guess the question is, how do we reach the folks that have ignored the issue so far and don't feel a need to participate in the fight? We know that it will be exponentially harder to repeal regs than to block them in the first place. So frustrating.

I, like you (and most in this thread), am stubborn and will continue to fight. But I really despair of the opportunity lost to fight the deeming regs at it's easiest point with the full voice of vapers, which is before they are passed.

I'm blaming them.

All they have to do is join CASAA or vaping militia so that these agencies can speak for us with a louder voice.

5 minutes... that's all they have to give...

Tapatyped

 

[stevegmu]

Oh sure steve, things are Great in Indiana.

BTW - Do you happen to use a Vuse by any chance?

Things have never really been great in Indiana...I've used them before. Pretty good...Has e-liquid been banned in Indiana?

 

[beckdg]

What happened there? Nothing? Has vaping ended in Indiana?

And another poor soul "liking" this garbage.

I'm betting he doesn't live in Indiana...

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

Has e-liquid been banned in Indiana?

Mine has.

And I drive through there with it from time to time.

Tapatyped

 

[zoiDman]

Things have never really been great in Indiana...I've used them before. Pretty good...Has e-liquid been banned in Indiana?

So the Only Changes to the e-Cigarette Market that you would consider Something is if they Banned e-Liquids?

Which BTW, Is a Very Real Possibility.

I sure am Glad that you enjoy using that Vuse of yours. I can see why you Don't worry about the market Changing.

 

[stevegmu]

Someone should tell the Indiana e-liquid retailers e-liquid has been banned, as a quick Google search shows plenty of options, at lower prices than I pay for e-liquid...

 

[stevegmu]

So the Only Changes to the e-Cigarette Market that you would consider Something is if they Banned e-Liquids?

Which BTW, Is a Very Real Possibility.

I sure am Glad that you enjoy using that Vuse of yours. I can see why you Don't worry about the market Changing.

I know it may be hard to believe, but the proposals big bad scary BT submitted aren't the actual regulations...

 

[Jazzman]

Not everyone believes the fearmongerimg, which has been going on since I have been on this site. Every other month would be the end of vaping...

Steve, I will be the first to admit if I have blown this all out of proportion and the FDA deeming regs turn out to be nothing at all. I will also be greatly relieved.

I will mark this conversation and we can come back in 6 months and see what actually happened and decide if this conversation was chicken little with the sky falling as you believe, or if the regs passed and presented a significant barrier to vaping.

Believe it or not... I want you to be right!

We'll speak in 6 months.

 

[zoiDman]

And another poor soul "liking" this garbage.

I'm betting he doesn't live in Indiana...

Tapatyped

I wonder sometimes if steve even lives in the USA?