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In an attempt to promote personal responsibility, vapers and vendors in my local vaping community are boycotting companies that use labels with obvious child appeal or come close to copyright infringement via font/design to market their juice flavors, such as Blowpop, Zebra cakes, etc...

The idea is that the government and tobacco companies are looking for any excuse they need; therefore, the vaping community needs to be on their p's & q's to avoid making themselves bureaucratic targets until the general public becomes more knowledgeable and as a result less skeptical of vaping.

Should parents be responsible with storing their juices? Of course. I have a toddler. There's no way in hell he's getting to my juice - or my completely unappealingly-labeled bleach for that matter. When it comes to teenagers, they're gonna find a way to do what they want, regardless. Example: removing Joe Camel from Camel marketing didn't stop me from smoking as a teen. This is more about companies and vendors showing personal marketing responsibility before the government and tobacco lobbyists use it as an excuse to regulate vaping out of existence.

Honestly, if your juice is good enough you don't need those types of labels to draw in clientele anyway.

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If I were a vendor and you basically publicly accused me of marketing to minors because I have a juice in my shop, that doesn't sell to or even allow minors to enter, that has an image that you consider might appeal to kids, I'd be thinking slander lawsuit. Just saying.
 
If I were a vendor and you basically publicly accused me of marketing to minors because I have a juice in my shop, that doesn't sell to or even allow minors to enter, that has an image that you consider might appeal to kids, I'd be thinking slander lawsuit. Just saying.
Good luck with suing the FDA...they got the team of lawyers all the dream teams have wet dreams about
 
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Good luck with suing the FDA...they got the team of lawyers all the dream teams have wet dreams about
well, I was talking about the vendor/manufacturer groups that are basically saying that Yes, some vendors are marketing to kids. I'm not sure they understand that that is what they are saying.
 
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well, I was talking about the vendor/manufacturer groups that are basically saying that Yes, some vendors are marketing to kids. I'm not sure they understand that that is what they are saying.
I understood that...I was talking about in general and odds are they just don't care
 
If I were a vendor and you basically publicly accused me of marketing to minors because I have a juice in my shop, that doesn't sell to or even allow minors to enter, that has an image that you consider might appeal to kids, I'd be thinking slander lawsuit. Just saying.
I think you misunderstood my comment. I'm simply stating that vendors in my area are choosing not to sell juices with certain types of labels. These vendors have the right to choose what products they will or will not sell. That does not meet the legal definition of slander.
Consumers have the right to choose which juices they will or will not consume if they do not like certain labeling practices. This also does not meet the legal definition of slander. It's how the free market works. Don't like something? Don't buy it.

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In an attempt to promote personal responsibility, vapers and vendors in my local vaping community are boycotting companies that use labels with obvious child appeal or come close to copyright infringement via font/design to market their juice flavors, such as Blowpop, Zebra cakes, etc...

The idea is that the government and tobacco companies are looking for any excuse they need; therefore, the vaping community needs to be on their p's & q's to avoid making themselves bureaucratic targets until the general public becomes more knowledgeable and as a result less skeptical of vaping.

Should parents be responsible with storing their juices? Of course. I have a toddler. There's no way in hell he's getting to my juice - or my completely unappealingly-labeled bleach for that matter. When it comes to teenagers, they're gonna find a way to do what they want, regardless. Example: removing Joe Camel from Camel marketing didn't stop me from smoking as a teen. This is more about companies and vendors showing personal marketing responsibility before the government and tobacco lobbyists use it as an excuse to regulate vaping out of existence.

Honestly, if your juice is good enough you don't need those types of labels to draw in clientele anyway.

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Personally, I believe a first good step would be not to keep calling it juice. I have been saying that for 3 years. It is kinda hypocritical to boycott anything that may look like it would entice kids... yet keep calling it juice, jus, joose or whatever.

Hey kid.. stay out of my juice. Something is just wrong with that.
 
Personally, I believe a first good step would be not to keep calling it juice. I have been saying that for 3 years. It is kinda hypocritical to boycott anything that may look like it would entice kids... yet keep calling it juice, jus, joose or whatever.

Hey kid.. stay out of my juice. Something is just wrong with that.
Lol Good point. I use the term liquid and juice, usually fumbling over which one to say. Liquid seems more appropriate in light of your comment.

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I think you misunderstood my comment. I'm simply stating that vendors in my area are choosing not to sell juices with certain types of labels. These vendors have the right to choose what products they will or will not sell. That does not meet the legal definition of slander.
Consumers have the right to choose which juices they will or will not consume if they do not like certain labeling practices. This also does not meet the legal definition of slander. It's how the free market works. Don't like something? Don't buy it.

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If they are publicly calling for boycotts of particular vendors: "vendors in my local vaping community are boycotting companies that use labels with obvious child appeal or come close to copyright infringement via font/design to market their juice flavors, such as Blowpop, Zebra cakes, etc..."
Then they are doing more than choosing not to market their products that way.

I have no issue with a vendor choosing not to do anything, but lending credibility to the falsehood that some vendors are "targetin kids" is a different matter.
 

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Lol Good point. I use the term liquid and juice, usually fumbling over which one to say. Liquid seems more appropriate in light of your comment.

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:) It doesn't really bother me what anyone wants to call it. I just never got into the "juice" terminology over e-liquid. I am surprised that the powers that be haven't caught on to it. My guess is they really aren't following it. This will probably come down to a rider on a bill. We will probably see hidden in the Freedom of Marriage Act of 2015, vaping is defined as smoking along with a 2 trillion dollar grant to study the mating behavior of the Oar fish.
 
If they are publicly calling for boycotts of particular vendors: "vendors in my local vaping community are boycotting companies that use labels with obvious child appeal or come close to copyright infringement via font/design to market their juice flavors, such as Blowpop, Zebra cakes, etc..."
Then they are doing more than choosing not to market their products that way.

I have no issue with a vendor choosing not to do anything, but lending credibility to the falsehood that some vendors are "targetin kids" is a different matter.
I see your point.
I think it's a thin line between certain terms. To accuse a liquid manufacturer of "targeting kids" or to say they use labels that have "child appeal" are very slightly different in the fact that one term accuses the manufacturer of nefarious intent, whereas the other term implies a personal interpretation of potential marketing results that may or, most likely, may not have been intended.

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:) It doesn't really bother me what anyone wants to call it. I just never got into the "juice" terminology over e-liquid. I am surprised that the powers that be haven't caught on to it. My guess is they really aren't following it. This will probably come down to a rider on a bill. We will probably see hidden in the Freedom of Marriage Act of 2015, vaping is defined as smoking along with a 2 trillion dollar grant to study the mating behavior of the Oar fish.
Lmao
I'm laughing, but I have an unfortunate feeling that your comment is more prophecy than speculation.

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Lmao
I'm laughing, but I have an unfortunate feeling that your comment is more prophecy than speculation.

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That's totally something they would do...that's why so many good laws do not get passed...because of the multiple other additions they try to sneak past voters...especially if it gives them ammo to call us racist or something else if we shoot it down
 
That's totally something they would do...that's why so many good laws do not get passed...because of the multiple other additions they try to sneak past voters...especially if it gives them ammo to call us racist or something else if we shoot it down
It really is. It's so frustrating to see this exact scenario play out time and time again.

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Personally, I believe a first good step would be not to keep calling it juice. I have been saying that for 3 years. It is kinda hypocritical to boycott anything that may look like it would entice kids... yet keep calling it juice, jus, joose or whatever.

Hey kid.. stay out of my juice. Something is just wrong with that.

Interesting POV and first have heard that angle.
 

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How to really market to children:

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That's totally something they would do...that's why so many good laws do not get passed...because of the multiple other additions they try to sneak past voters...especially if it gives them ammo to call us racist or something else if we shoot it down

And conversely... that's why so many bad laws and regulations do get passed.
 
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