Does this seem right to you?

[StarreLabelle]

It's not going to make any difference what pictures our ejuice labels have on them, the government is going after vaping to slow it down. Thousands of teenagers start their cigarette smoking careers every day, and I think they are going to try something. That's just our nature. Some are going to smoke and drink. How many that just try it with friends develop a life long habit? I'd rather they vaped. I started smoking much too young, and the tobacco industry depends on new smokers. I'm not going to worry about a drawing of a Cookie on my eliquid. If I like the juice, I'll buy it. Our kid's aren't stupid.

 

[StarreLabelle]

I was thinking of buying a really popular eliquid recently. I always keep my eliquids out of reach from my kids, but I just couldn't bring myself to buy this particular eliquid because of the packaging and the thought that it just looked too much like something kids would mistake for candy. Anyway this is the eliquid:

I hate all the media reports that say eliquid flavours are attracting kids when vendors never sell to under 18s, but I think packaging like this isn't helping either.

Does it seem right to me? Yes, and I never questioned it until I saw this thread. Dad-gum lynch mob mentality of some vapers is what doesn't seem right.

 

[Mitchell.martel]

Does it seem right to me? Yes, and I never questioned it until I saw this thread. Dad-gum lynch mob mentality of some vapers is what doesn't seem right.

Sadly all it takes is one smooth speaker and all the sheep follow the wolf...just how it is...we just have to breed more sheep dogs

 

[caramel]

we just have to breed more sheep dogs

They regulated them too. Check "vicious dog laws".

 

[YoursTruli]

Does it seem right to me? Yes, and I never questioned it until I saw this thread. Dad-gum lynch mob mentality of some vapers is what doesn't seem right.

You know, I have never viewed it as a lynch mod mentality rather then just a different point of view expressed largely with the knowledge this is what anti-ecig opponents are using against the ecig industry on a large scale government wide.

Some are in the why give the antz more ammo camp while we are fighting for vaping as we know it while others are in the we will do what ever we want and not give an inch camp and there are those that honestly feel there should be no marketing that looks like it could be geared towards minors.

The beauty of it all is everyone is entitled to their own personal beliefs, values and point of view without having to join any mob.

 

[beckdg]

You know, I have never viewed it as a lynch mod mentality rather then just a different point of view expressed largely with the knowledge this is what anti-ecig opponents are using against the ecig industry on a large scale government wide.

Some are in the why give the antz more ammo camp while we are fighting for vaping as we know it while others are in the we will do what ever we want and not give an inch camp and there are those that honestly feel there should be no marketing that looks like it could be geared towards minors.

The beauty of it all is everyone is entitled to their own personal beliefs, values and point of view without having to join any mob.

The give nothing camp is in the why give more ammo camp. We're just the militant group within.

You'll desperately need us one day. Mark your calender and quote me on that.

Tapatyped

 

[Lessifer]

You know, I have never viewed it as a lynch mod mentality rather then just a different point of view expressed largely with the knowledge this is what anti-ecig opponents are using against the ecig industry on a large scale government wide.

Some are in the why give the antz more ammo camp while we are fighting for vaping as we know it while others are in the we will do what ever we want and not give an inch camp and there are those that honestly feel there should be no marketing that looks like it could be geared towards minors.

The beauty of it all is everyone is entitled to their own personal beliefs, values and point of view without having to join any mob.

While I agree that we're all entitled to our opinions, and that there are some who think of this in terms of its political effects, and some who are simply against regulation period, and some who have considered facts and think a label could entice a child, there are many who haven't given it a second thought. Those who haven't given it a second thought before coming across a thread like this are the ones more likely to post things like "they should be ashamed."

For many people it's not a reasoned reaction, but a gut one, based on decades of public shaming of smoking, and a mob mentality.

It's the same thing you see in the comments section of news articles about vaping. Seemingly normal people saying horrible things about vapers, because vaping looks like smoking.

 

[caramel]

If a cookie pic is proof that a product is marketed to children, then arguably Dr. Glantz's homepage URL is proof that he's one of the tobacco users at UCSF:

https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/users/sglantz

 

[beckdg]

there are some who think of this in terms of its political effects, and some who are simply against regulation period

Tisk, tisk.

Tapatyped

 

[YoursTruli]

While I agree that we're all entitled to our opinions, and that there are some who think of this in terms of its political effects, and some who are simply against regulation period, and some who have considered facts and think a label could entice a child, there are many who haven't given it a second thought. Those who haven't given it a second thought before coming across a thread like this are the ones more likely to post things like "they should be ashamed."

For many people it's not a reasoned reaction, but a gut one, based on decades of public shaming of smoking, and a mob mentality.

It's the same thing you see in the comments section of news articles about vaping. Seemingly normal people saying horrible things about vapers, because vaping looks like smoking.

I can only speak for myself and freely admit my thoughts are multifaceted concerning the "labeling" issue none of which include smoking shame or any mob mentality influence..... and I am not sure how fair it is to assume or speculate to know the motivation behind any one persons opinions.

 

[Jazzman]

If labeling requirements, including labeling seen as marketing to children, were recognized and being applied across industries where the labels could be considered harmful to children I would have a different opinion. Consider the alcohol industry that doesn't have this restriction, and yet does indeed have this type of unregulated labeling. Or even more telling, the breakfast cereal market. There have been many health organizations both government and private that have preached the unhealthiness of popular breakfast cereals for children, and yet they use marketing that go far beyond marketing pictures (although children specific labeling is used extensively) and include marketing directly during children television programs and specifically children's TV channels. But these are not considered an issue? Given 5 minutes I think anyone could find at least 10 examples of specific marketing to children that could be considered not in children's best interest, and yet is allowed. And I don't think ejuice is specifically marketing to children as some other industries do. There just exists the possibility that the marketing could entice children with ejuice labels, but it is not the primary intent.

I certainly question any regulation that targets a specific market, while ignoring similar issues in others. This is simply a targeted attack in a larger battle strategy against vaping. I would also posit that the labeling on these ejuices, for the most part, is done to convey the flavor profile of the ejuice rather than market to kids. When I see a label with an oatmeal cookie on it you can probably imagine what flavor I expect the juice to taste like. And that label had nothing to do with trying to market the ejuice to children, although granted, children might be considered a subset of who that flavor profile might interest.

I just don't buy that the vaping market is so significantly different from other markets that might have a marketing effect on children (and some are very specific in marketing to children, known to be to a child's detriment) that regulations need to be specifically applied to this market. So I guess I just see this as another tactic for attacking vaping with a tried and true method of garnering support of the uneducated population. It's simple to understand right? Bad for the children.

So I don't believe that the benefit of children is the sole or primary reason for this type of regulation and I don't see this as reasonable action and will fight this as well as other regulations against vaping.

 

[Lessifer]

I can only speak for myself and freely admit my thoughts are multifaceted concerning the "labeling" issue none of which include smoking shame or any mob mentality influence..... and I am not sure how fair it is to assume or speculate to know the motivation behind any one persons opinions.

Oh, I don't assume. I hope for the best, I engage in discourse. Sometimes I get reasoned responses and while I may not agree, I accept them as that person's opinion. However, sometimes when I engage, all I get back is hatred and fear. When someone's only justification for a view that infringes on the freedoms of others is "it's just common sense," then I assume they haven't truly given it any thought.

 

[Mitchell.martel]

Oh, I don't assume. I hope for the best, I engage in discourse. Sometimes I get reasoned responses and while I may not agree, I accept them as that person's opinion. However, sometimes when I engage, all I get back is hatred and fear. When someone's only justification for a view that infringes on the freedoms of others is "it's just common sense," then I assume they haven't truly given it any thought.

The jokes on them...common sense started dying in the 50's and finally died in the 90's...it's been replaced by irrational and half baked ideas

 

[DC2]

The jokes on them...common sense started dying in the 50's and finally died in the 90's...it's been replaced by irrational and half baked ideas

The movie Idiocracy comes to mind.

 

[Mitchell.martel]

The movie Idiocracy comes to mind.

I was thinking the sheeple of America comes to mind but that works too lol

 

[mattiem]

It's not going to make any difference what pictures our ejuice labels have on them, the government is going after vaping to slow it down. Thousands of teenagers start their cigarette smoking careers every day, and I think they are going to try something. That's just our nature. Some are going to smoke and drink. How many that just try it with friends develop a life long habit? I'd rather they vaped. I started smoking much too young, and the tobacco industry depends on new smokers. I'm not going to worry about a drawing of a Cookie on my eliquid. If I like the juice, I'll buy it. Our kid's aren't stupid.

I wish this technology had been around when I started smoking at 16. Maybe if it had been I wouldn't have been stuck with a 45 year monkey on my back. If a young person today is thinking about smoking I would much rather they vaped instead. I truly believe that they would not become addicted to the nic and would be able to easily put it behind them when and if they chose to do so. It would start out as a fun hobby and I think most of them would get tired of it and just go on with their lives both smoke and vape free. JMHO

 

[Rossum]

I went to a Vaping Convention Circuit in Pittsburgh last weekend and I seen this company called Bad Drip that puts their bottles inside a child proof medicine bottle.
How many years did it take before the pharmaceutical companies to finally start putting their meds in child proof bottles lol

Pro-Tip: If you're going to use a child-resistant outer package (the plastic medicine bottle) please use regular (not child resistant) dropper caps on your bottles.

 

[englishmick]

The jokes on them...common sense started dying in the 50's and finally died in the 90's...it's been replaced by irrational and half baked ideas

We live in a bumper sticker world. Not everyone sure. But listen to the political candidates from both parties announcing their candidacy, they say one of the special party words and the crowd either roars with approval for their gang or boos against the other gang. When we choose our President based on that simpleminded white hat / black hat breakdown, and don't even notice that they are all lining their pockets, why would we expect those same people to be able to rationally assess the merits of vaping based on research. This is the country that bought into Death Panels and banning Big Gulps.

We're trying to protect the kids from themselves, maybe we should be hoping they will grow up a bit less gullible than us. I'm actually a little hopeful about that based on the kids I know, they don't seem to be stuck in that good party / bad party hole. I wouldn't worry about them deciding to vape because they like the picture on the bottle. The current adult generations just might be that dumb.

 

[Mitchell.martel]

We live in a bumper sticker world. Not everyone sure. But listen to the political candidates from both parties announcing their candidacy, they say one of the special party words and the crowd either roars with approval for their gang or boos against the other gang. When we choose our President based on that simpleminded white hat / black hat breakdown, and don't even notice that they are all lining their pockets, why would we expect those same people to be able to rationally assess the merits of vaping based on research. This is the country that bought into Death Panels and banning Big Gulps.

We're trying to protect the kids from themselves, maybe we should be hoping they will grow up a bit less gullible than us. I'm actually a little hopeful about that based on the kids I know, they don't seem to be stuck in that good party / bad party hole. I wouldn't worry about them deciding to vape because they like the picture on the bottle. The current adult generations just might be that dumb.

Your giving the current adult generation too much credit...they are that dumb...not all of them but still most of them are sheep listening to the wolf...

 

[Mattj317]

In an attempt to promote personal responsibility, vapers and vendors in my local vaping community are boycotting companies that use labels with obvious child appeal or come close to copyright infringement via font/design to market their juice flavors, such as Blowpop, Zebra cakes, etc...

The idea is that the government and tobacco companies are looking for any excuse they need; therefore, the vaping community needs to be on their p's & q's to avoid making themselves bureaucratic targets until the general public becomes more knowledgeable and as a result less skeptical of vaping.

Should parents be responsible with storing their juices? Of course. I have a toddler. There's no way in hell he's getting to my juice - or my completely unappealingly-labeled bleach for that matter. When it comes to teenagers, they're gonna find a way to do what they want, regardless. Example: removing Joe Camel from Camel marketing didn't stop me from smoking as a teen. This is more about companies and vendors showing personal marketing responsibility before the government and tobacco lobbyists use it as an excuse to regulate vaping out of existence.

Honestly, if your juice is good enough you don't need those types of labels to draw in clientele anyway.

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