alien Traveler" data-source="post: 15850397" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch">alien Traveler said:
Ding-Ding-Ding.
Winner Winner! Chicken Dinner.
Does this seem right to you?
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Ding-Ding-Ding.
Winner Winner! Chicken Dinner.
I don't believe their goal is to attract children and I keep all of my juice in a safe place away from the grandkids. I get what you are saying though.
Thanks, but I don't believe the terms Oracle or Wise have ever been used regarding anything I've ever done. Guess I'll have to look them up and see what they mean.
One would have to be living under a rock to not understand what we are up against. I don't need to watch CSPAN to know that.
I seriously doubt taking the cookie off will "call of the dogs". The sad thing of our politicians is "the choose the easiest ground that the can eat waffles on".
I do not want the government to tell me where or what I can do. If I want to smoke I want to be allowed that choice of where and when I want to smoke. I want to go to an establishment that either allows it or not so then I can make my decision to stay or go. Feel free to exchange vape for smoke.
This is just like the "flavors" and "Big Cloudz In Public" issues.
I really don't understand why people are arguing against the idea that...
--These types of labels give the opposition ammunition
--These types of labels will lead many in the public to side with them
Of course they do, that's a no-brainer.
It doesn't matter if the entire argument is a load of crap or not.
Which of course it is, and we ALL know that.
The conversation really starts at "okay, we all agree that is true, but..."
And on that argument we will never agree.
As I said before, I don't like it, but I understand that others do.
Regardless, I don't like the idea of taking away freedom to appease the ignorant, the ANTZ, or the politicians.
But I do wish we would consider being a little more thoughtful right now.
Well, as long as it seems that we really don't appear to be ready to stand up and fight...
Which would always be my preferred approach.
I really don't understand why people are arguing against the idea that...
--These types of labels give the opposition ammunition
--These types of labels will lead many in the public to side with them
Of course they do, that's a no-brainer.
It doesn't matter if the entire argument is a load of crap or not.
Which of course it is, and we ALL know that.
The conversation really starts at "okay, we all agree that is true, but..."
And on that argument we will never agree.
As I said before, I don't like it, but I understand that others do.
Regardless, I don't like the idea of taking away freedom to appease the ignorant, the ANTZ, or the politicians.
But I do wish we would consider being a little more thoughtful right now.
Well, as long as it seems that we really don't appear to be ready to stand up and fight...
Which would always be my preferred approach.
The recent "coolness" of vaping and corresponding marketing to a younger demographic is naturally going to spawn trendy and cute labeling in the competitive wild west of the eliquid industry. This kind of forseeable consequence is just what those who want to control vaping tightly needed to round out the negative message they have been spewing..
I'm of the opinion that the underlying regulatory/BT goal is sealed systems, sold in blister packs. Bottle labeling with cartoon characters will undoubtedly help get that accomplished, as an example of the claimed intent to sell to children. The facts have nothing to do with it.
Bottled eliquid as a whole is at stake, and with it the chance for many smokers to find a satisfying vape. That is not cool.
I'm of the opinion that the underlying regulatory/BT goal is sealed systems, sold in blister packs. Bottle labeling with cartoon characters will undoubtedly help get that accomplished, as an example of the claimed intent to sell to children. The facts have nothing to do with it.
Bottled eliquid as a whole is at stake, and with it the chance for many smokers to find a satisfying vape. That is not cool.
I do understand all that has been said here. Both sides have valid points. This is another case of divided we fall 
OK, we remove the cute labels. They will just move on to the next thing. Ask yourself, just How much are we willing to "give up" to appease them? They are NOT going to stop with all this absurd garbage until they have taken away all that we are fighting for or figure out a way to line their pockets. Money is their driving force and they will go to great lengths to get more of it. Always has been and always will be.
OK, we remove the cute labels. They will just move on to the next thing. Ask yourself, just How much are we willing to "give up" to appease them? They are NOT going to stop with all this absurd garbage until they have taken away all that we are fighting for or figure out a way to line their pockets. Money is their driving force and they will go to great lengths to get more of it. Always has been and always will be.
If you think that a politician that holds up this bottle as an example, wouldn't do the same thing with a "cookie" flavored juice in a plain white label, I've got a bridge for sale you might really like.
If a bottle that has a cartoon cookie on it is being sold to adults, most likely in a place that "children" can't even enter, it's not being marketed to children.
If a bottle that has a cartoon cookie on it is being sold to adults, most likely in a place that "children" can't even enter, it's not being marketed to children.
Just do me a Favor.
Go watch that Senate hearing and then Come Back and tell me if you think putting Cartoon Characters on Labels of "Juice" is a Good Idea.
Because Until you see that Hearing, I Don't think you Understand the Magnitude at which some Very High Ranking and Influential Senators are Slamming certain Marketing Images. And why Some of Us see this as a Very Big Deal.
Remember: Those same Senators who are Frothing at the Mouth are the Same Ones who will decide if the FDA Deeming Regulations are Strict Enough. Or if the FDA should go back and make their Rules More Oppressive.
Of course they Can.
But where the Problem is that Many Voters are going to See this as just Playing the "Save the Children" card. Which we all know they are.
Politicians aren't Stupid. They Know this.
Better to hold up a Bottle with a picture of a Cartoon Character which has Much More Visual Impact. And will Sway MANY More people.
Once Again, I will ask this for about the 5th Time.
What is the Downside to Not Using Cartoon Characters on bottle of e-Liquids?
Honestly, no I am not watching it. How long did it take ole teddy boy to get his universal health care? Heck they even had people saying we should vote for it because ole teddy died and it would be nice. It won't go away. The tobacco companies paid a bribe for medicare and they still haven't gone away.
Show me where I said it was a good idea? I think it is a stupid idea. One reason I called it a stupid cookie. I also think the names are stupid which I thought I stated.
"What is the Downside to Not Using Cartoon Characters on bottle of e-Liquids?"
There is no downside. The only thing I see is that you are doing the same thing as the very people you are fighting. Why should they stop with the cookies on the bottle when in reality it does nothing except give an ice bullet to the enemy. You want to stop people from those labelings. Others want you to stop from vaping. Both think it will make our lives better. Sadly, both are wrong.. Let me worry about my life and habits. If it puts me 6 feet under so be it.
The downside is, where does it stop? Can you have a picture of a real cookie? If it's a gummy bear liquid, can you have a picture of a gummy bear, or do we need plain packaging like cigarette boxes have?
Are they going to stop there? Are we in the future going to have "graphic labeling" showing pictures of "tobacco related" diseases like black lungs?
If the argument is idiotic, why not point that out and nip it in the bud, instead of giving them an inch so they can take a mile?
OK... If you Don't want to Watch it, you don't want to Watch it.
As for "poison" having "attractive" labels.
How about this:
Does that look like it might be tasty and refreshing for someone who likes lemons? Perhaps a kid knows what lemonade is and really likes it?
Well, this:
Is usually kept in a cabinet under the sink, has no child resistant cap, and smells like lemons.
How about this:
Does that look like it might be tasty and refreshing for someone who likes lemons? Perhaps a kid knows what lemonade is and really likes it?
Well, this:
Is usually kept in a cabinet under the sink, has no child resistant cap, and smells like lemons.
If having Plain Packaging is what it Takes to have ANY Level of Less Restrictive Policies, or to Win Over the Non-Vaping Population, then I am All For It.
The Slippery Slope Argument is a Great One to sit around and Debate. But we are coming to the Point of the Sword here.
And the FDA Deeming is getting Very Close to going to those Senators for Approval. Those same Senators who are Rabid about Marketing to Children.
And this is where our opinions differ, and we already know this.
You think we can appease them with some lower level restrictions like age limits, packaging (non-kid friendly and CRP), and I think maybe even indoor bans.
Whereas I believe that it's not really about any of those things and until it is demonized to the point where the general public won't balk at us being hit with excessive taxation, or the market is simply handed over to BT, they won't stop no matter what we concede.
I would rather fight against all unnecessary regulation than to concede points that I don't believe have merit.
You Can't Fight against...
Age Limits
Appearance of Marketing to Children
Child Resistant Packaging (CRP)
There just Isn't anyway to do it. If these Issues are Important to Not Have, then your Cause is Lost.
I think your Own Words should be Heeded. Concede these Points and Fight for things that May be Winnable. Or at Least, may have Degrees of Regulations.
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