Does this seem right to you?

[Lessifer]

Age verification software or signature delivery shouldn't be an issue for most vendors. ProVape already uses signature delivery...

This came up in CA a while back, some people have issues with signature delivery. You either have to take time off work to be home to accept it, if you know when it's coming, or you have to go to a post office which could be up to 30 miles away in some cases.

 

[puddinman]

I agree with most of your post, just wondering, why the minor sales ban?

Nicotine has more risks than caffeine. But honestly, I don't really think such a ban is necessary, especially for zero nic products.

I'll put it this way, a ban on under-18 sales is about the only regulation I would accept.

 

[Jode]

What about a vendor's website? Should the cartoonish representation of a white rabbit in glasses and a bow tie get the axe to placate those who wish to "govern" us?

Another good point Rossum. The OP was talking about labeling but in the ultra long marketing session also attacked other media that was used. I said I do not personally have any bottle with cartoons on them but I was very wrong. 90% of my vape cabinet (locked BTW) has a very popular character on it kids would recognize from Disney. I guess those that want to start pointing fingers at our own better get waving because there is a lot of territory to cover for them.

 

[Jode]

IMO, this is just a marketing stunt but why they resort to this kind of marketing when in fact the buyers are adults with high sense of thinking and do not need that kind of childish labelling?

This statement sounds just like those that are trying to get flavors banned. They want to spread the idea that no adult wants to vape yummy kid like flavors. I can be both, NO, I can be all. I can be a high thinking, mature adult that loves childlike activities and cool things. I can go to a job that requires seriousness and then go home and enjoy video games, or cotton candy, or comic books, etc. I really don't get the notion that adults no longer enjoy kid things no matter what the kid thing is. I love blowing bubbles, while vaping on my S'more like juice, and then taking a run through the sprinkler with my grand kids. I am not DEAD yet!!!

 

[Jode]

I think they are going to go after online sales hard. The recent FDA workshop had a speaker mention that they had underage people able to make purchases from online vendors as part of their save the kiddies speak. I don't have a crystal ball, but I'd bet money that the online market we so enjoy is planned to be gutted as one of their primary targets.

And when and if they do it will be a very sad day for us all here, but I refuse to do it for them!! Especially premature of any rulings.

 

[beckdg]

I am not DEAD yet!!!

But I'm getting closer, faster with every decision fda, who and congress make on what I should ingest/inhale.

If this country had the cojones it did 50 yrs ago, Congress and the FDA might be disbanded by now.

Tapatyped

 

[Mitchell.martel]

But I'm getting closer, faster with every decision fda, who and congress make on what I should ingest/inhale.

If this country had the cojones it did 50 yrs ago, Congress and the FDA might be disbanded by now.

Tapatyped

I wouldn't complain if they were disbanded...it would be an improvement

 

[Mitchell.martel]

And for every detail we concede, they'll find another.

With the attitude of some around here, we've already dug half the hole they're going to use to bury us for them.

I don't have an issue if they mandate no sales to minors.

I have an issue giving it to them so they can justify other mandates because we told them it's dangerous by conceding to no sales to minors.

There's a tremendous difference.

And a longstanding history with fda and congress.

Tapatyped

If it's not 0mg nic If I have to support anything I will support no sale to minors (assuming it stays at 18 and is not raised) and child proof bottles but that's it...every other idea for regulation is just an attempt put a strangle hold on vaping just like tobacco and alcohol and many other products...if that succeeds then the $25 30ml bottles will be a thing of the past and looked upon as the good old days

 

[Mitchell.martel]

I think they are going to go after online sales hard. The recent FDA workshop had a speaker mention that they had underage people able to make purchases from online vendors as part of their save the kiddies speak. I don't have a crystal ball, but I'd bet money that the online market we so enjoy is planned to be gutted as one of their primary targets.

For the online sellers such as white label juice co and others like it I would recommend they sell the individual ingredients in the same amount they mix them now and ship that to us...we mix it ourself and they didn't sell us e-liquid...we just DIY'ed it

 

[KattMamma]

I don't have an issue if they mandate no sales to minors.

I have an issue giving it to them so they can justify other mandates because we told them it's dangerous by conceding to no sales to minors.

My feelings exactly!! The age restrictions are coming no matter what we do (it goes into effect Oct 1 in Texas), but I never wanted to hand it to them - because I don't think it's harmful to teens, and may in fact keep them off cigs.

Some of CASAA's pre-written letters to reps have wording like "while I support age restrictions..." -- I always changed or removed that part, because I really don't support it. CASAA is a wonderful organization that is doing much to help our cause, but I have mixed feelings about this "olive branch". Their position seems to be "if you start from the position of not wanting age restrictions, they won't even listen to the rest of what you have to say" -- so I get that, but just wish it didn't have to be this way.

 

[Rossum]

Hasn't the FDA pretty much stated, "If it doesn't have any nicotine in it, we can't regulate it as a tobacco product"?

If that's really how things shake down, e-juice companies will be able to continue to offer the exact same products they do now, that we've come to know and love, including the attractive labels, just without the nic.

... Which would raise the question I've been asking for well over a year: "What's in YOUR freezer?"

 

[KattMamma]

This came up in CA a while back, some people have issues with signature delivery. You either have to take time off work to be home to accept it, if you know when it's coming, or you have to go to a post office which could be up to 30 miles away in some cases.

Yep, my post office is 10 miles away and has short hours (while I'm working). *sigh* I'm trying to stock up before the new TX law goes into effect.

 

[KattMamma]

I expect something like PACT will be passed -- it effectively stopped internet sales of cigs and cig rolling tobacco by putting such strict requirements on vendors that most of them didn't want to mess with it.

 

[Rossum]

Their position seems to be "if you start from the position of not wanting age restrictions, they won't even listen to the rest of what you have to say"

You don't have to start from that position, but you don't have to tell them you'll gladly accept it either. The same is true for labels. What have they got to offer us in exchange for any concessions we offer them? As far as I can tell, the answer is, absolutely nothing, and all we're doing is is negotiating how tight our masters will make the chains that tie us to the whipping post.

 

[skoony]

As has already been mentioned, these "increased number of calls to poison control about ecig products" are just that - an increase in the number of calls. It doesn't mean anybody was poisoned. With all the fear-mongering going on, I wouldn't be surprised if a large percentage of those calls were along the lines of "little Timmy touched my ecig - is he gonna die?"

i a willing to bet most were bogus calls by ANTZ types.
it doesn't make sense looking at the call numbers with no corresponding
increase in actual reported poisonings which the media would jump
all over.(not counting the incidents with the teens which were not accidental)

regards
mike

 

[DeAnna2112]

One thing I've noticed is how often you describe ejuice as "deadly poisonous"... so I have to ask the cliche... "dude, do you even vape?" Or is it some part of some game plan to constantly insert the words "deadly poisonous" in the near proximity of "ejuice"?

I can tell you, I wouldn't vape something that was "deadly poisonous," and I suspect most other vapers wouldn't either. could it hurt a small child who drank it? sure, but so could the bleach and ammonia and even that nice smelling dish soap sitting there on the kitchen sink -- that's what parents are for, to keep children from drinking anything "deadly poisonous."

Me, I detect some form of trolling in the so-frequent insertion of those words whenever simply saying "ejuice" would suffice.

Andria

Clearly you completely overlooked the "SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION" that the reference was being used for and WHY.

If we were vaping a deadly poisonous liquid that REMAINED deadly and poisonous when we vaped it then we would all be dead. I was referring to nicotine in it's un-vaporized liquid state. Do you see me going around the forum in other topics of discussion and referencing eliquid as a deadly poisonous liquid? No you see me using that reference here within a topic of discussion that is about using cute kiddie shaped bottles labeled with cute kiddie labels to package a deadly poisonous liquid.

Now i am sorry Andria that the reference angered you, but i think if you go back and look again it is clear i was not referring to the inhalation of "vaporized" nicotine.

 

[skoony]

Yeah... And people who are Alienating Moderate Senators by their All or Nothing, Fight Everything Attitude, are doing the same to My Stomach.

So I guess we are Even.

all or nothing? its us who are alienating moderate Senators?
what do you think those that are opposed to us are doing?
they are fighting on all fronts. they are covering all the bases.
the chillin',the formaldehyde,the toxic compounds found in the carto's,
the nicotine,the flavoring, the we don't know and,the second,third,fourth,
fifth and ,sixth hand exposure.
i agree with your assessment they will not get rid of vaping entirely.
the government will get their taxes. BT will get the cigalikes. BP
will get to fill the tamper proof pre-filled carto's and,all will
be well once again.

regards
mike

 

[skoony]

If you can't get enough Congress Member to agree to a 50mg/ml limit, but you could get enough to agree on a 36mg/ml limit, would you continue to Fight for 50mg/ml? When the Downside is we would have to except a 12mg/ml Limit if we Lose?

congress is not writing the regulations. they gave autority to
the FDA to do so.
regards
mike

 

[caramel]

This statement sounds just like those that are trying to get flavors banned. They want to spread the idea that no adult wants to vape yummy kid like flavors. I can be both, NO, I can be all. I can be a high thinking, mature adult that loves childlike activities and cool things. I can go to a job that requires seriousness and then go home and enjoy video games, or cotton candy, or comic books, etc. I really don't get the notion that adults no longer enjoy kid things no matter what the kid thing is. I love blowing bubbles, while vaping on my S'more like juice, and then taking a run through the sprinkler with my grand kids. I am not DEAD yet!!!

We don't stop playing because we grow old. We grow old because we stop playing - George Bernard Shaw.

Apparently they want us all to suddenly grow old by forbidding playing.

 

[caramel]

the second,third,fourth,
fifth and ,sixth hand exposure.

I'm patiently waiting until they get to the legs.