Does this seem right to you?

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stevegmu

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OK... So what is the Difference then if I or Others choose to Do It?

Seems like No Skin Off your Nose.

I'm Not even sure why you Always seem to come to Advocacy Threads? All you bring to the Table is same Old Line.

"Nothing is Going to Happen."

Why Don't you just Put that in your Signature and save the ECF a Lot of Bandwidth?

The thread was about cartoon cookies on e-liquid bottles, not activism; and in the General vaping section...
 

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The thread was about cartoon cookies on e-liquid bottles, not activism; and in the General Vaping section...

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The thread was about cartoon cookies on e-liquid bottles, not activism; and in the General Vaping section...
Wrong!

It was about cartoon cookies and what that's going to do in the face of activism.

Please grasp A concept. Any of them. Please. For your own sake.

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a lot of folks probably think, "What's the use? They're gonna ban it anyway."
Yup, from a pragmatic perspective, it sure does feel like I'm beating my head against a wall, and from a philosophical perspective, it makes me feel downright dirty to ask any member of the political class for anything at all.

When you're beating your head against a wall, it feels good when you stop and simply accept the presence of said wall.
If you follow the wall around the nearest corner, you'll find a doorway...
 

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I've seen it suggested that local regulations never get passed, and when they do they're never really that bad, so it's not really something to worry about. I've also seen the same person post, after horrible local regulations are passed, that it's their own fault because not enough people did anything about it. There's a reason why I mostly choose not to interact with some people. It tends to take away from the topic at hand.
Not related to the post, but.

Velvet cloud graphics were mentioned to be cartoony.

They remind me more of clip art with a cartoonish flare. But more like clip art.

Just thinking out loud.

Back to your regularly scheduled program.

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I will be in Prague around Christmastime. It is quite beautiful, and will be smoking a few and vaping everywhere...

Don't forget to pack warm clothes, 5 meters from the entrance to restaurants it could be quite cold there in December....
 

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Angry letters and postings on forums won't prevent regulation. Many also believe it is about money, so unless one has more money than the 'other side' nothing will prevent regulations. I know it is hard to believe, but the FDA has many other projects and vaping isn't as big as many seem to believe... They will be directed to do enough to appease the left for now...

While true Steve... It's also totally false. The FDA has a wide jurisdiction over many industries and many products. That is true. But Mitch Zeller is the head of the FDAs Center for Tobacco Control and has a prodigious staff under him with a primary focus at the moment of ECigs and the proposed deeming regulations for the FDA under his auspices. This is the subject at hand and the subject we are discussing. Please stop trying to divert this thread from the topic we are discussing. The deeming regs have nothing to do with other FDA activities under other directors. This is a key issue for vapers and Mitch Zeller at this moment, and that is the discussion we are engaged in. The proposed regs have been proposed and Mitch Zeller has specified on several different occasions that he intends to pass them to congress without amendment. Please respond within the context of this topic and stop trying to divert the conversation to other unrelated issues. If you have information the Mitch Zeller is open to amendments to the current proposed regs, that would be helpful within the topic of discussion. Anything else is a clear diversion and unhelpful.
 

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While true Steve... It's also totally false. The FDA has a wide jurisdiction over many industries and many products. That is true. But Mitch Zeller is the head of the FDAs Center for Tobacco Control and has a prodigious staff under him with a primary focus at the moment of ECigs and the proposed deeming regulations for the FDA under his auspices. This is the subject at hand and the subject we are discussing. Please stop trying to divert this thread from the topic we are discussing. The deeming regs have nothing to do with other FDA activities under other directors. This is a key issue for vapers and Mitch Zeller at this moment, and that is the discussion we are engaged in. The proposed regs have been proposed and Mitch Zeller has specified on several different occasions that he intends to pass them to congress without amendment. Please respond within the context of this topic and stop trying to divert the conversation to other unrelated issues. If you have information the Mitch Zeller is open to amendments to the current proposed regs, that would be helpful within the topic of discussion. Anything else is a clear diversion and unhelpful.


Why has nothing happened after years and years if all the FDA is focused on is vaping?
 

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Honestly though, I find the people who do the same thing he does, without realizing it, even more frustrating. This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but this is how threads like this tend to go, and I'll use this topic as an example though the same applies to other topics as well:

Side A: Cartoon illustrations are bad because they're marketing to teens.
Side B: They're not actually marketing to teens, teens can't buy the stuff, and in most cases won't see ever see it.
A: well it makes it more attractive to kids, and it's deadly poison if they drink it.
B: well, it's not really "deadly poison," the really harmful stuff is concentrated and doesn't come in bright packaging, and has warning labels and CRP. The label has nothing to do with it.
A: Kids like this type of stuff, they see it, they'll drink it.
B: if you have small children, keep this away from them, it says so on the bottle. Also, don't leave the cap off.
A: but marketing to kids is bad.
B: I agree, it's a good thing none of this is marketing to kids
A: but others will see it as marketing to kids
B: well, they're wrong too. Here's a bunch of facts why it's not harmful, it's not being marketed to kids. They use the "for the children" argument to get us to surrender.
A: But we need to protect the children from nicotine
B: *bangs head against wall*
 
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