never ceases to amaze me how as smokers we were content to ingest 4000+ toxic chemicals, no problem. but 4 FDA approved food grade substances, we get. "should i be worried about e-juice?"
does this worry you about e-cigs?
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Agreed! After 20 years of smoking cigarettes, I'm happy to take my chances with e-juice.
I live in Houston. The air here is so bad, I am not sure if breathing is any safer than smoking analogs. I highly doubt anything could be put in a PV that would be worse that what I breath in normally. I am sure the same could be said for most major cities as well though.
The way I read the article about PG in hospital HVAC systems, it encapsulates the germs floating in microscopic water droplets and floats them down to the floor where they can be mopped up. PG instantly bonds with water molecules. I suppose the lung benefit is in the ability of PG vapor to merge the bad stuff with moisture so that it can be coughed up. Dry lungs lead to infections.
A valid point!
However, I don't feel FDA approval is a credible endorsement. I'm convinced synthetic sweeteners like aspartame and sucralose are terrible for humans. Apparently aspartame, combined with caffeine (I drink a ton of coffee), slays brain cells, giving you a buzz as they freak out before they die. And both cause cancer. The problem is that the FDA Bases approval on studies conducted by the manufacturer. lolz
Independent studies of most synthetic sweeteners have linked them to a slew of cancers, mental disorders, you name it.
Has anyone ever tried to get a juice manufacturer to confirm what synthetic sweeteners are in their juice? Good luck! I've tried with 3 so far, each time I was referred to a manager who never responded to my messages.
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As is your right, however such a broad, sweeping statement isn't really credible, much like the anti-smoking propaganda out there.
Sucralose and stevia have NOT been linked with cancers, or any other serious side effects.
Boresha Research
http://www.benthamscience.com/open/toobesj/articles/V002/101TOOBESJ.pdf
Aspartame has some questionable science behind it as far as cancer goes, however it has been shown to affect the endocrine system negatively.
I see no problem with avoiding artificial sweeteners for the sake of living more "naturally", however to claim that they all have been linked to really bad things isn't really accurate.
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I appreciate your position, but feel strongly enough about mine that I feel it's worth stepping up on a soapbox in regards to. Of course it's a personal choice, but people need to know about this stuff. The FDA sure isn't gonna step on any toes and actually accurately ascertain the dangers of synthetic sweeteners...that might piss off Coke
"Aspartame accounts for over 75 percent of the adverse reactions to food additives reported to the FDA. Many of these reactions are very serious, including seizures and death."
Aspartame is, by Far, the Most Dangerous Substance on the Market that is Added To Foods
The article contains a comprehensive list of side effects, and severe illnesses aspartame is known to trigger or exacerbate.
Don't know anything about Stevia...
Nope. My lungs tell me that there is nothing to be concerned about. I no longer cough up lung chunks in the morning.
I drink much more diet coke than I vape.... sure it could be dangerous. But I wouldn't worry about vaping it in small quantities.
Hey, we're all entitled.
I actually live with someone who developed very severe GI reactions to aspartame, and as a Diet Coke addict (now only with Splenda) and frequent low-carb eater I noticed that nutrasweet really affected my ability to lose weight and actually makes me feel bloated and generally gross.
I have no issue w/the claims that aspartame can cause health issues, however I have not been convinced of the same with the other two.
As to my position on those, the two links are independent studies showing that they have not been linked to anything approaching the danger that aspartame and saccharine have.
I just don't think people who are trying to live healthier lives by vaping should be told that the an ingredient in the juice that they are using is just as dangerous as their smoking was when the tests have shown otherwise. Kind of defeats the purpose of our mission, yes?
Anyway, not here to start anything, as I said living more naturally can't be bad, and everyone should do the research if they're concerned and make their own educated decisions.
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I agree with the fact that during the 40 years I smoked, I never concerned myself in any form of way with what was in them, to put it simply I needed them so nothing else mattered. Now that I'm Vapeing I don't care what's in the liquid, because of an entirely different reason I just don't care, I know it's better. Or less dangerous however u want to put it.
Now I'm not saying others shouldn't have concerns, that's up to u or them, but me i don't care. I'm done with caring about that stuff, and intend to Vape until the END. Vape On all!
Now I'm not saying others shouldn't have concerns, that's up to u or them, but me i don't care. I'm done with caring about that stuff, and intend to Vape until the END. Vape On all!
This made me smile
I was in the exact same spot months ago.
But then vaping actually *worked* ! It became a habit, and kicked analogs' ....
I'm careful about what I eat and drink, and once I got over the "How cool is that, hot damn, I'm not a smoker anymore" stage, my mind naturally started wanting to apply the same principles to vaping. Why not?
My mind said, "Wait a second...I wouldn't eat or drink synth sweeteners if somebody paid me, so maybe I should find an alternative to huffing vapor with trace amounts of them, no?"
lots of infos going in here.. thank u so much.. now felt more safer.. thank you.. nway, noobie ere
As compared to the 4,000 (not exaggerating) chemicals in cigs? Over 50 of which are known carcinogens?
No, can't say I worry...
Well put.
"I needed them so nothing else mattered."...I can identify!
I felt the same way out of the gate. But now I'm looking at it like - Cool! I can get my fix a different way now, a better way. And there's a zillion unique options, instead of a handful of nearly identical ones. Might as well optimize for maximum satisfaction with minimal damage, now that I have the option
It does concern me some and try to always get US based juices. Until their is some type of regulation which is a double edged sword, we can never be a 100% sure whats in there. Reputable vendors are very transparent about their products and can always be contacted to clarify contents. To the best of my understanding their are very few if any US sourced places for nicotine. But in the end I worry about terrorists more, oh yeah and high fructose corn syrup!
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