Doing the math .....

[wizardofozone]

I learn pretty fast, although I don't know if I always come to the most accurate conclusions .... 2 days ago I ordered a second Majestic ARO starter kit. I've discovered that after nearly 10 days, one reason I've not a thought in the world about analogs is naturally because I'm still getting my full need of Nicotine and that's fine by me, quitting was never my intention for vaping.

But one DOES Vape a lot hour by hour to maintain the higher levels of Nic addiction gratification and I can't see the benefit of simply adding a larger battery or in fact just adding a single extra 900Mah winder .... To me it seems to make better sense to have a total of 4 Winders, 4 clearos plus the Pyrex I added in, and especially 2 chargers.

With heavy vaping daily, I think making up a nice holder 'wallet' of 4 Majestics all loaded and charged should more than hold me, and seems the least expensive way to be certain I'm never short of a working unit nor Vape power and parts in any one day ....

 

[Wolfenstark]

For me going into rebuildables the vapor from the liquids becomes a lot stronger - Though going down that road is not for everyone.

 

[wizardofozone]

For me going into rebuildables the vapor from the liquids becomes a lot stronger - Though going down that road is not for everyone.

That's probably another answer, but a stronger hit is easy to do right now, weakness of my Majestic is not the problem , I just want to dial in a smooth hit and not worry about the number of Vape 'button pushes' it takesto maintain that nic level as well as that hit smoothness ... you're right too, I'm not really into rebuilds, I'm not even sure I'll ever do my own ignighters although I'll soak the factory ones ... I burn no flavors whatsoever so I'm not really getting much goop build up ...

 

[Wolfenstark]

Sounds like a juice thing - so many of them out there - different companies - different flavours - different strengths.

Also the pg / vg ratio

 

[Wolfenstark]

Need to remember that the liquids that have nic in them are giving your body the nic even if you don't feel it.

Comes down to getting the right nic level for you.

 

[wizardofozone]

Yes,exactly Wolf ... I guess to make myself clearer would be to say my mix seems ok but it's the re-charging needs that make me want to be better prepared outside and away from charging ability .... I am certainly not getting anywhere near 12 hours out of a 900Mah battery but thats strictly due to my vaping repetition.

 

[Wolfenstark]

Oh no 900 mah for most people won't get 12 hours.

I think 1300-1600 is the most for ego type batteries.

If you get an eleaf istick they have a 2200Mah built in battery and get great reviews from most people.

I have one and does a treat.

 

[fogging_katrider]

Hi wizardofozone and welcome to ecf

Its always good to have a spare fully charged battery so you dont find yourself waiting on a recharge or jonesing for a smoke. So I'm wondering how many cigs a day you used to smoke and what nic strength you're using right now?

You mentioned vaping repetition, which I figure is how long you vape with each session, or said another way are you finding yourself chain vaping to get to the point of nic satisfaction and sort of not able to put it down for very long ?

When I quit cigs I found out I needed the stronger stuff at 30mg strength because 18mg juice just wasn't doing the trick. I also got rid of the plastic starter toppers almost right away because they all seemed to taste like melting plastic in my vapor. I went to the metal and pyrex kanger minipro 2 v2 single element bottom coil units and that tainted plastic flavor went away

Nowadays the kanger mini aerotanks are one of the crowd favorites and they're made of stainless steel and pyrex so theres no fears of brass or lead leaching into the juice or vape. Just have to make sure you dont buy the non kanger cheap imitation coils for those because they're poorly made and most folks end up having poor results when they get stuck with the off brand coils.


hth,
Jon

 

[wizardofozone]

Well I'm glad to hear that then ... I must have misread battery use times but in any case you've made me feel even better about buying the second kit because for one thing 4 identical batteries lets me set what the duration average is for 900 Mah, plus I'd have to be a vaping madman not to get 16 hours from a total of 3600 Mah from 4 batteries !

 

[Fattlestar]

I don't think it adds up like that, but yes, four batteries should work out well for you. 900mah is on the low end (and I believe two 900mah batteries do not actually equal a single 1800mah). You would benefit, I think, from a simple MVP2 or MVP20watt, with the little pen batteries as a backup source. I see you are resistant to adding a "single bigger battery" but boy is it nice to have one little box that works all day (and sometimes two), with well-reviewed durability which also adds a level of comfort and peace of mind.

 

[Wolfenstark]

The usage times like so many other things are just an average a guess really as it depends on your device and the resistance of your coils and the volts your using and the frequency you vape.

 

[wizardofozone]

Jon, thank you for your input ... I was a pack and a half smoker but as I told Wolf I'm not into vaping to quit nicotine ... My fight is strictly against the 7000 plus other things in tobacco and paper inhaling. ... I read a lot of posts similar to your past experience and immediately bought 2 50 mls@36Nic, always keeping one pure and I cut the other to about 18 which as you say was simply too low .... I've ordered another bottle of 36Nic and will probably keep the nic level at over 24 ... To be truthful I know you are correct because when my first starter kit came I had ordered my first 36nic but had forgotten to get any VG .... I used it anyway and one of course would NEVER ever miss analogs vaping 36nic all day ! (only a 50 year smoker like me should ever risk that I do believe !

I think raising the nic and having 4 fully operating units will end my worries of how many hours one gets from any single 900ah battery ...

 

[wizardofozone]

Yea, Fattlestar I keep having the 12 hour thing jump back into my head, but what I meant is that 4 900's should keep me in batteries hopefully for at least 12 hours or I'll just have to buy even extra ones and a couple more chargers !

 

[Mrs C]

Having extra the extra run time available and not having to worry about charging mid day makes good sense. The guestimate they give you for expected puffs on batteries is at best just an estimate. Coil ohms, power level, length of draw all figure into battery run time, but they don't tell you that in the fine print.

Whatever works for you be it carrying around 4 setups or 1 plus extra juice and batts. If keeps you going forward with the unexpected side effect of being a former smoker, that is all that matters

 

[Fattlestar]

Yea, Fattlestar I keep having the 12 hour thing jump back into my head, but what I meant is that 4 900's should keep me in batteries hopefully for at least 12 hours or I'll just have to buy even extra ones and a couple more chargers !

Whatever works for you is the best option, regardless of my opinions or anyone else's. That said, I probably wouldn't suggest getting more of the same (as you've already purchased it seems four identical batteries/clearos). Mostly because I believe you will get MORE out of spending that same (to me, high) price on something of much better quality.

 

[drippaboi]

Yea, Fattlestar I keep having the 12 hour thing jump back into my head, but what I meant is that 4 900's should keep me in batteries hopefully for at least 12 hours or I'll just have to buy even extra ones and a couple more chargers !

I'm doing the math here and this way is starting to sound pretty expensive. Don't forget that you'll eventually have to replace all of these batteries, and far sooner than you would need to replace the battery in say an istick.

Plus I know that if I tried to carry that much rollable gear I'd lose more than just a few, but that's really just me.

 

[wizardofozone]

I'm doing the math here and this way is starting to sound pretty expensive. Don't forget that you'll eventually have to replace all of these batteries, and far sooner than you would need to replace the battery in say an istick.

Plus I know that if I tried to carry that much rollable gear I'd lose more than just a few, but that's really just me.

I'm ok with the extra kits as the Majestic setup operates much better than I even imagined ... But now that you brought it up I do have a question ... If one has the money to even consider a 'super' vaper like Provari ... Isn't the problem then the the cost of the consumables to rebuy ? I mean they seem to need their own coils, and buying a Provari backup battery is in my mind like buying 2 or 3 starter kits of a lot of other brands ... when I look at the presumed cost of the 'consumable' parts of a 'super' unit like Provari, I get confused over the sense of having one ... Especially since I use no flavors whatsoever as I have lost my sense of taste, so just Nic and VG ratios are all I care about ... I'm not certain of my logic here but it seems to me that if I had the same concerns over spare batteries and parts to carry me effortlessly through a 24 hour day regardless of how much I want to vape, its way more expensive to have back up 'consumables' with a super unit than with the standard $50 starter kits ... I think ...

 

[Fattlestar]

I'd never buy a Provari, way too expensive for my needs despite the hype. People who do buy them though, love them, and use them for years. Quality batteries (the replacement parts you speak of) cost 10-15$, usually less, and last far longer than Ego style batteries you are currently using, which require you to replace the entire unit. And you don't need a Provari to use those batteries, there are plenty of sturdy options at much lower price points. I think you may have confused some of the bits and bobs of higher cost vaping gear.

Every clearomizer needs its own coils, yes. "Provari" is the battery tube though, not the clearomizer. I am only speaking about battery replacements - ANY battery or battery housing you buy will likely work with ANY clearomizer/tank you have or purchase, and if not, a 5$ adapter will solve that issue.

 

[wizardofozone]

Ok, you're right I have more homework to do ... I do recall the Provari having seperate internal batteries and I WAS thinking of the Provari as a 'winder' replacement ... back to school for me ...

 

[Fattlestar]

Let me give you an example of the difference in higher end vaping gear, and the lower end that you are currently using. Note that both can be satisfying in the long run, choose whichever route you find most satisfying.

Part 1: The Replaceable Battery Unit

Lots of options in this area, from the cheap, to the expensive. For this example, we'll use something in the middle of the pack, the Innokin iTaste SVD. The iTaste SVD is a sturdy and capable unit that costs about 35-40$ new if you SHOP AROUND to find the right price. That's a 40$ investment, and it WILL NOT work without batteries, which it does not come with.

iTaste SVD: 40$

Part 2: Batteries!

Here are the replaceable parts. For this, MOST people will end up using EFEST batteries, or SAMSUNG 25R, or LG HE2. Using the largest battery for the SVD, you would want an 18650 sized battery, flat top, unprotected. All three of the batteries I listed come in at or below 10$ each. They are rated somewhere between 2200mah and 3100mah each, but for budget purposes, I would start with the 2500mah batteries. Two is a good starting point, three is better. Lets call it three.

3 2500mah Unprotected (IMR) 18650 Batteries: 30$

Part 3: Charger for the batteries!

Battery safety is important, which makes investing in a good charger a good idea. An XTAR WP2 II is a good place to start, although people will tout other chargers being better (Nitecore chargers come to mind). Around 20$ is what you would look to spend on one of these, less if you shop around. Two bays = able to charge two batteries at one time. Big plus.

XTAR WP2 II: 20$

Total cost: 90$

With that setup, you would ALWAYS have at least one fresh battery to slap into the SVD when the battery in it is drained. These batteries will likely last far longer than your 900mah egos. The SVD will accept Ego or 510 threaded clearomizers, which you already have 4 of. The replacement batteries, when treated properly, can last up to 300 charge cycles, and even then, 10$ to replace one that isn't holding a charge anymore? Not a bad hit to the wallet.

All in all, these kinds of mods are a higher up front investment, but lower cost in the long run because the batteries just aren't that expensive.

Note that everyone's experiences vary. Learning about batteries and the settings available on a variable voltage/variable wattage advanced personal vaporizer, like the Provari or the SVD, takes time and some commitment.