Dr. F Metals in e-cigarettes are not a health concern.

[Caro123]

another accidental vaper thought I was the only one

 

[Jimi D.]

I think the Dr. is referring to second hand vapor. Great news ! Thanks Dr. Farsalinos

 

[AndriaD]

Add to that what appears, at least anecdotally, a depression "epidemic". I've been musing for a while that the 30% or so of the population that have quit smoking basically cut off their MAOI's - so perhaps that's why every second commercial on TV is touting anti-depressants. I believe that my own system went through a weird re-adjustment after my abrupt, accidental smoking cessation.

Possibly, but that depression was very short-lived, for me; about a week, around the 3wk smoke-free period, and then again about a week, around 3 months. Times in my life when my chronic clinical depression have become full-blown, one of the worst aspects of it was that it just would NOT go away or give me a minute's peace; both times, it required serious medication for at least a month before I even started feeling any better. However those who are not experienced in dealing with true clinical depression might perceive those blue weeks as being far worse than they actually are.

Andria

 

[Tache]

However those who are not experienced in dealing with true clinical depression might perceive those blue weeks as being far worse than they actually are.

I can't speak for everyone, and I won't go into all the gory details, but suffice it to say that the impacts lasted over nine months, required an eight week absence from work and had the added "fun" of losing the majority of the use of both my arms for several months - accompanied by severe physical pain. Note that multiple areas of my life had severe, significant and long-term stress - so it wasn't just the smoking cessation that did it, but I wondered if the MAOI's in my cigarettes were the last slender thread that had kept me going.

 

[AndriaD]

I can't speak for everyone, and I won't go into all the gory details, but suffice it to say that the impacts lasted over nine months, required an eight week absence from work and had the added "fun" of losing the majority of the use of both my arms for several months - accompanied by severe physical pain. Note that multiple areas of my life had severe, significant and long-term stress - so it wasn't just the smoking cessation that did it, but I wondered if the MAOI's in my cigarettes were the last slender thread that had kept me going.

Very well could have been. I'm quite certain that's why I never could get free of cigarettes and stay that way, till e-cigs -- and WTA. Since I added the WTA, it's been a piece of cake. And for someone who's struggled with depression and anxiety and self-esteem my whole life, finally being a non-smoker has done more for my self-image than 2 yrs of therapy AND Effexor!

Andria

 

[CarolT]

A lot of people seem to think that vaping is some kind of exclusive club, membership open only to former smokers, but just because they think it, doesn't make it true. But he's probably saying that in order to put a sock in ANTZ mouths about the dangers of non-smokers starting to vape. Anything that can induce ANTZ mouths to shut up is a great idea.

Andria

Knuckling under to PC is NOT a good way to make them shut up, it really just encourages them. It's really just a cowardly way to try to avoid being attacked, but it practically never works anyhow.

Apart from that last sentence, it's excellent work.

 

[skoony]

Knuckling under to PC is NOT a good way to make them shut up, it really just encourages them. It's really just a cowardly way to try to avoid being attacked, but it practically never works anyhow.

Apart from that last sentence, it's excellent work.

a lot of his fellow researchers are probably ANTZ types.
why rock that boat? i see nothing sinister in his comment.
mike

 

[AndriaD]

a lot of his fellow researchers are probably ANTZ types.
why rock that boat? i see nothing sinister in his comment.
mike

I don't either, but his personal paradigm is smoking cessation; therefore he sees everything from that perspective. The idea that some might use what he considers a "smoking cessation device" for any other purpose probably never occurred to him. You know, "if your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." That's why a "paradigm shift" is such a rare and noteworthy event -- humans don't often shift their perspectives, they're too stubborn.

Andria

 

[nopatch]

I was patiently reading the link till I came to the line that says statistical analysis.

Dr F should better go thread catheters instead of making himself and vapors look like fools.

It is a pathetic write up on so many levels.

 

[Tache]

I was patiently reading the link till I came to the line that says statistical analysis.

Dr F should better go thread catheters instead of making himself and vapors look like fools.

It is a pathetic write up on so many levels.

I don't recollect reading the phrase "statistical analysis" in Dr. F's comments. I understood it to be a risk assessment analysis using data from existing studies and putting the findings into appropriate context.

 

[skoony]

I was patiently reading the link till I came to the line that says statistical analysis.

Dr F should better go thread catheters instead of making himself and vapors look like fools.

It is a pathetic write up on so many levels.

I knew we should of taken that left at Albuquerque.

mike

 

[nopatch]

Not statistical nalysis. That is my mistake. But, the original study is a lame one done on some tiny ecig after it is used for a small amount of time. One has to use the ecig for some time to get the metal leave the coil.

It is a lame commentary on a essentially useless study.We need competent people to do medical studies not some reports from dropouts just enough to excite and incite vapers in to a frenzy.

 

[DC2]

...still, credible researchers, and a product concept that works, and a change in societal norms ie acceptance of some minor benefits of nicotine - can move towards a win that may eventually trickle down to the schizophrenics whom I care for - it is my hope!

Mine as well.

The idea of taking away nicotine from mental health patients is sickening to me.
It indicates a lack of understanding of the science, and a complete lack of regard for the human condition.