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I for one would like to see you in "Clearo" market, but only if you make HV versions.I have to admit ever since obtaining one from Vapefest it has been on my mind. Mwa was talking about using 3-4 filaments actually lol I just don't know if it's really that worth it. I mean, if you think about it' it doesn't really perform "better" than others and it does increase the chance by 100% of failure in a sense. The idea is on the board, but not next in line. Ruppy's idea was a Mega 3ml Fusion which I think would hold greater success. The 510 Cannon is in production and next in line is tapping into the Clear market
The latest clearo version (fatter wick) are an improvement but the tubes cracking is a fairly big issue right now. I think the other (albeit slight) issue with wicking is due to the ceramic cup. I believe the cuts in the cup are not wide enough to allow the wicks to do their job. I noticed this recently when cleaning one of the new versions.
We need Switched to explain to us why on earth would a 1.5Ω carto run cooler than a 2.0Ω and a 2.5Ω one.
Ok... i'm not Switched, but here's an opinion non-the-less.
The 'heat' is too diffuse.
There are two std res coils run in parallel electrically with a physical gap between them. Each coil will get as not so hot as a std res atty gets and vaporize accordingly producing not so hot vapor. Provided each coil in the dual coil carto design can wick as well a std res coil in a single coil carto, you could expect twice the vapor production of a single coil carto, but still cooler vapor than an LR setup. More of the energy expended goes into vaporization than heat as compared to an LR.
I've never tried a dual coil gizmo, but in thinking it thru, it makes sense that they'd be dense cool vapor machines.
There should be some disadvantages though.
- greater cost due to extra materials and assembly
- less reliability, twice as many coils to pop unexpectedly and more likely to be assembled badly
I would agree the QC leaves much to be desired. I ordered 5 of them. 1 worked for 5 minutes. The other worked but I kept getting a burnt taste. I filled the 3 and 4th last night and they seem to be working fine. So, so far a 50% failure rate. I know it's only been 4, but come on. The gold's taste just as good if not better to me also. I have been an atty person, but ordered 2 golds to try them out. It's been over 2 weeks, and both gold's are still working great. Going to stick with the gold's myself. Just ordered 10 more.
Thanks you for chiming in VM and never feel you can't when I get singled out like that because I did not have an explanation for that one. having a working knowledge of something does not necessarily mean I am an expert. Your explanation makes sense and is indeed extremely plausible.
I am not Isaac here but I do need to chime in. Isaac and I have discussed many topics in the past. We exchange almost daily on Skype bouncing ideas around and other jabbering. You would think we were two old ladies (no offense intended to the ladies, just a metaphor).
I have asked Isaac to hold back on further development or constantly bringing something new to the table to please the crowd. All this innovation and variety ties up buying capital hence, why the shelves are always bare. To me their is far too much variety. I am not saying do not be innovative bur rather be a smart innovator.
The clearomiser/CE2s were crap from the get go. A nice concept that failed miserably and was band-aided instead of fixing it. You want something that does a better job then a clearomiser? Get yourself an eGo T. I have tried the CE2s up to V4 and they suck buffalo balls compared to an eGo T. I might have been lucky but I am going on 2 months or past that I am not sure with the same atty and two tanks without any problems.
Isaac should not become the "Walmart" of vaping. There is sufficient vendors out there to please everyone. Let them develop a better mouse trap. There is enough wealth to spread it around, there is no need to be greedy
I am privy to whats coming down the pipe, and Isaac has done his homework well. Allowing him to pursue his ideas to fruition will indeed set him in a field of his own, if we allow him some breathing room, while providing him with the necessary operating capital to take things to the next level and not just create a better mouse trap where other folks have failed. Of course this is only my opinion on the subject
I have asked Isaac to hold back on further development or constantly bringing something new to the table to please the crowd. All this innovation and variety ties up buying capital hence, why the shelves are always bare. To me their is far too much variety. I am not saying do not be innovative bur rather be a smart innovator.
The clearomiser/CE2s were crap from the get go. A nice concept that failed miserably and was band-aided instead of fixing it. You want something that does a better job then a clearomiser? Get yourself an eGo T. I have tried the CE2s up to V4 and they suck buffalo balls compared to an eGo T. I might have been lucky but I am going on 2 months or past that I am not sure with the same atty and two tanks without any problems.
Isaac should not become the "Walmart" of vaping. There is sufficient vendors out there to please everyone. Let them develop a better mouse trap. There is enough wealth to spread it around, there is no need to be greedy
I am privy to whats coming down the pipe, and Isaac has done his homework well. Allowing him to pursue his ideas to fruition will indeed set him in a field of his own, if we allow him some breathing room, while providing him with the necessary operating capital to take things to the next level and not just create a better mouse trap where other folks have failed. Of course this is only my opinion on the subject
I have to agree, I view Ikanvape more as a speciality boutique store more that anything else. I think he has carved his niche in the market in that area. I like how he concentrates on that area and attempts to the best out there in the market place. I view that as is business model and is successful at it. Evidence is by looking at his shelves. There are certain items of his that don't work for me but taste is subjective. I come back because I like how he does business bottom line.
Possible explanation for cooler vape from a 1.5 ohm DC...
The batteries we use have a finite amount of current available... there are two 3 ohm coils, each of them is drawing HALF the current they would be drawing if they are singles... thus half the heat is generated. Even though the resistance is halved, the current falls flat and the voltage remains the same... so, on a variable device, doubling the voltage will put you closer to on par with a standard 3 ohm carto.
The design assumes we have unlimited current delivery available, so based on this, they SHOULD perform better on higher drain batteries, and I'm sure a test will prove that to be the case.
The batteries we use have a finite amount of current available... there are two 3 ohm coils, each of them is drawing HALF the current they would be drawing if they are singles... thus half the heat is generated. Even though the resistance is halved, the current falls flat and the voltage remains the same... so, on a variable device, doubling the voltage will put you closer to on par with a standard 3 ohm carto.
The design assumes we have unlimited current delivery available, so based on this, they SHOULD perform better on higher drain batteries, and I'm sure a test will prove that to be the case.
I tried the dual coil cartos and alls I can say is Isaac has nothing to worry about. I would pay three times as much for a Fusion, V2 with and without drip tip, platinum, mega..........Oh heck I would pay three times as much for half as many of Ikenvapes cartos as I would the dual coil. I guess you can tell I'm not a dual coil fan. Switched has the right idea as usual. Ikenvape already makes the best cartos. Look at it this way, you can buy a dual coil any day of the week. Try buying a platinum right now or a fusion in a day or 2. Why because Ikenvapes cartos are in demand and the dual coil is a fad.
I disagree.
Ohm's Law cannot be defied. V=IR holds true regardless of the variables.
If you have two 3 Ohm coils, you have a total resistance of 1.5 Ohms. Let's take a scenario of a 4V device facing 1.5 Ohms:
4 V = I x 1.5 Ohms
I = 4/1.5
I = 2.67 Amps
If the battery can't deliver that much current something has to give. Since it can't magically increase the resistance of the coils to keep the voltage constant, it must result in a drop in voltage. So if the max current = 2.5 Amps, this is what would happen:
V = 2.5 A x 1.5 Ohms
V = 3.75 V
I am not Isaac here but I do need to chime in. Isaac and I have discussed many topics in the past. We exchange almost daily on Skype bouncing ideas around and other jabbering. You would think we were two old ladies (no offense intended to the ladies, just a metaphor).
I have asked Isaac to hold back on further development or constantly bringing something new to the table to please the crowd. All this innovation and variety ties up buying capital hence, why the shelves are always bare. To me their is far too much variety. I am not saying do not be innovative bur rather be a smart innovator.
The clearomiser/CE2s were crap from the get go. A nice concept that failed miserably and was band-aided instead of fixing it. You want something that does a better job then a clearomiser? Get yourself an eGo T. I have tried the CE2s up to V4 and they suck buffalo balls compared to an eGo T. I might have been lucky but I am going on 2 months or past that I am not sure with the same atty and two tanks without any problems.
Isaac should not become the "Walmart" of vaping. There is sufficient vendors out there to please everyone. Let them develop a better mouse trap. There is enough wealth to spread it around, there is no need to be greedy
I am privy to whats coming down the pipe, and Isaac has done his homework well. Allowing him to pursue his ideas to fruition will indeed set him in a field of his own, if we allow him some breathing room, while providing him with the necessary operating capital to take things to the next level and not just create a better mouse trap where other folks have failed. Of course this is only my opinion on the subject
I understand what you are saying but otoh, if there is something on the market that is working really well for a lot of people than I definitely think Isaac should take a look at this idea. I have tried so many cartos and I just can not seem to find one that keeps up with my vaping style, out of them all Isaacs have definitely been the best quality and have provided better flavor than all others but, it seems like the ones that offer the throat hit that I long for, can not keep up with my crazy drags so I need to top them off a lot more often and it seems like I waste a lot of juice doing this. On to my point, I have been vaping 4 of these dualies for a week and a half and I get the craziest throat hit at 3.7, it is delivering exactly the kick that I need, the flavor is good as well but does not compare to a freshly filled 510v2 carto. Even still, the flavor is good enough because of the throat hit. The vapor production does leave something to be desired and quality control has been ridiculous. The problems I mentioned are the reasson we need Isaac to take a look at these things, I can not even imagine how great a dc ikenvape carto would be if I am enjoying th smoketech ones so much, ya know what I mean? I know that there are a lot of people that all want to see different things but I honestly think that this is one that should be seriously looked at. I may be way off base hear but I really think that these will become a staple and I want Isaac to be on that wagon. I know I am selfish but I really like these, can you tell lol
In regards to the burning taste, I think that may be due to a qc issue because I have not been able to burn any of mine and believe it or not I have been going back and forth with all 4 between 3.7 and 6 and they still run great on both. And I can run them almost virtually dry, it has almost been to good to be true. One last thing and I will go, I had my brother over yesterday , he has been vaping for a few months at least and I offered him a mod to try a new juice I got, it had a dualie attached and he took a drag and he was shocked, he asked "so this is hv huh?" He was vaping on my p16 so it was obviously not hv, he was very excited that he would be able to get that kind of hit from 3.7. Sorry for my post, when I get excited about things, I can never get the words out in an orderly fashion, I just hope I made some sort of point. Thanks
Josh
Josh,
Yes I truly understand what you are saying and I am on your side, believe it or not. However, the timing of this is off. As discussed I am privy to allot more information than what we see posted here. I am sure that Isaac could find tune with his engineers any sub-par product being released these days. On a personal note I know that Isaac is not fond of using someone else's intellectual property, which of course would be the case here, in developing/fine tuning a dual coil.
Isaac has mentioned it in another post that folks would be extremely surprised with the balance of his business account, not to mention the cost of each one of these innovations he brings to us, in order to offer us such nirvana. At this point in time he is simply spread out too thin. A vendor cannot make a living selling atomisers regardless how good they are or how well they perform.
Having product constantly in transit to keep up the demand ties up capital for other project. The popularity of the product combined with the Black Friday and recent sale, not to mention BETA testing cut in to an operating budget more than one would believe. It is indeed great for us, OTOH not for a business.
Project Infinity (Chameleon II) has been in development since the summer of 2010, perhaps even longer. Isaac is damn close to its release finally. This is the bread and butter to any vendor out there. Folks you truly need to trust me on this one and I implore for your patience. I am also in business and you folks may be surprised to hear that I will not see a return on my investment until the 50 cal is released. Now I could have gone the way of many and did a pre-order, regardless, it doesn't change the fact of where the return on investment would commence.
I know what is coming and I know of future plans and developing the dual carto or improving the clearomiser pales in comparison with what is ahead. Patience is key here. Once IkenVape finally develops a head of steam you will be surprised what can be achieved between IkenVape and his teams of engineers. That is all I am going to say for the moment.
I will quote a good friiend << Switcher may not always say what I want to hear, but he does say what I need to hear>> and in my most humblest opinion nothing can be closer to the truth here.
I hope I was able to convey the "behind the scenes" snapshot here. Patience my friends is golden, rather than instant personal gratification. No offense intended of course.
Yes I truly understand what you are saying and I am on your side, believe it or not. However, the timing of this is off. As discussed I am privy to allot more information than what we see posted here. I am sure that Isaac could find tune with his engineers any sub-par product being released these days. On a personal note I know that Isaac is not fond of using someone else's intellectual property, which of course would be the case here, in developing/fine tuning a dual coil.
Isaac has mentioned it in another post that folks would be extremely surprised with the balance of his business account, not to mention the cost of each one of these innovations he brings to us, in order to offer us such nirvana. At this point in time he is simply spread out too thin. A vendor cannot make a living selling atomisers regardless how good they are or how well they perform.
Having product constantly in transit to keep up the demand ties up capital for other project. The popularity of the product combined with the Black Friday and recent sale, not to mention BETA testing cut in to an operating budget more than one would believe. It is indeed great for us, OTOH not for a business.
Project Infinity (Chameleon II) has been in development since the summer of 2010, perhaps even longer. Isaac is damn close to its release
finally. This is the bread and butter to any vendor out there. Folks you truly need to trust me on this one and I implore for your patience. I am also in business and you folks may be surprised to hear that I will not see a return on my investment until the 50 cal is released. Now I could have gone the way of many and did a pre-order, regardless, it doesn't change the fact of where the return on investment would commence.I know what is coming and I know of future plans and developing the dual carto or improving the clearomiser pales in comparison with what is ahead. Patience is key here. Once IkenVape finally develops a head of steam you will be surprised what can be achieved between IkenVape and his teams of engineers. That is all I am going to say for the moment.
I will quote a good friiend << Switcher may not always say what I want to hear, but he does say what I need to hear>> and in my most humblest opinion nothing can be closer to the truth here.
I hope I was able to convey the "behind the scenes" snapshot here. Patience my friends is golden, rather than instant personal gratification. No offense intended of course.
Very interesting. I'm not 'in the business' but I'm wondering:
I assumed the opposite, that mods attracted people to a site but accessories (e.g. atomizers) were the real profit generators-- lower profit in some cases but higher volume. Is that not true?
If the pre-order is paid, wouldn't that have the same effect if you were calculating simple rate of return?
I assumed the opposite, that mods attracted people to a site but accessories (e.g. atomizers) were the real profit generators-- lower profit in some cases but higher volume. Is that not true?
If the pre-order is paid, wouldn't that have the same effect if you were calculating simple rate of return?
Josh,
Yes I truly understand what you are saying and I am on your side, believe it or not. However, the timing of this is off. As discussed I am privy to allot more information than what we see posted here. I am sure that Isaac could find tune with his engineers any sub-par product being released these days. On a personal note I know that Isaac is not fond of using someone else's intellectual property, which of course would be the case here, in developing/fine tuning a dual coil.
Isaac has mentioned it in another post that folks would be extremely surprised with the balance of his business account, not to mention the cost of each one of these innovations he brings to us, in order to offer us such nirvana. At this point in time he is simply spread out too thin. A vendor cannot make a living selling atomisers regardless how good they are or how well they perform.
Having product constantly in transit to keep up the demand ties up capital for other project. The popularity of the product combined with the Black Friday and recent sale, not to mention BETA testing cut in to an operating budget more than one would believe. It is indeed great for us, OTOH not for a business.
Project Infinity (Chameleon II) has been in development since the summer of 2010, perhaps even longer. Isaac is damn close to its release
I know what is coming and I know of future plans and developing the dual carto or improving the clearomiser pales in comparison with what is ahead. Patience is key here. Once IkenVape finally develops a head of steam you will be surprised what can be achieved between IkenVape and his teams of engineers. That is all I am going to say for the moment.
I will quote a good friiend << Switcher may not always say what I want to hear, but he does say what I need to hear>> and in my most humblest opinion nothing can be closer to the truth here.
I hope I was able to convey the "behind the scenes" snapshot here. Patience my friends is golden, rather than instant personal gratification. No offense intended of course.
You setup the snapshot just fine and I completely understand what you are saying. I cant wait to see what he has in the pipe. I just had to give my opinion on these things because I really have not come across something that got me so excited, but you are right about spread to thin, he is always trying to be everything to everyone and that is what makes him great but also might keep him from making all of the money that he deserves to make for all of his hard work. I am glad that you are there to even him out and say what he needs to hear. I just wanted to give my opinion on this and now its out there.
Hey Wylie, maybe if Isaac charged more than other vendors for his cartos that would be the case but he puts extra time and money into every product he sells so I do not think it is possible for him to get rich with the markup that he has. Also with the quality of the attys he sells, you would have to assume that people do not need to come back as often to buy atomizers so that is another thing.
I hate to speak for switched but I would think what he is saying is whether it is his money or our money it does not change when the investment is back over zero.
Josh,
I am glad I was able to convey my thoughts without being too abrasive. Yes Isaac will bend over backwards in order to please everyone. It is his nature and hence why folks appreciate him so much.
I believe it. With volume and coupon discounts, I actually paid less than a basic atomizer costs for what I consider a premium product (the IKV LR 510). How he does it, I don't know.
Edit: And sorry, I just realized I hijacked a dual coil thread!
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Yes your observations are true in a "perfect" world. Unfortunately, in this particular case, not so. It cost money to make money. Yup! I know this first hand. Isaac has been doing R & D for 6-9 months. Many projects were canned but nonetheless operating capital went out the door as well. Folks do not work for nothing.
He used to sell a variety of equipment, liquid and accessories to include but not limited to mods. Of late, he is just trying to keep up with demand, a large demand that is due to the effectiveness and lifespan of his attys and cartos. I have spent a fare amount at IkenVape, unfortunately if I was Isaac's only customer he would have been bankrupt a long time ago. Why? I get 4-6 months+ out of his attys and 2-5 weeks, sometimes less out of his cartos. I vape 3-4ml a day. I am sure many more have experienced similar results. OTOH if I get a dud, well I chalk it up as sheet happens.
Yes, it would if I understand where you are coming from. OTOH it is not how I operate. I used my own money towards this particular venture. Regardless, no profit will be generated until the 50 cal is released. So if you do the math, that is 100 units required to be sold before I see any return on my investment. If I am unsuccessful, it is entirely my money that went down the toilet and not the customers. Do you see where I am coming from and why we fund our own projects? Isaac is in the same boat and operates the same way. That is why we are in business together.
This venture Isaac and I are in stems from a long time ago. We were discussing this since at least early last fall. I did not wake up in Jan 2011 and decided to do this. What I plan on doing if we can choreograph things properly is to always have a mod or another available at IkenVape, whether it be his creation or mine. Outside of unique one offs in the future after the Calibre series, the main production model will be the "zinger". That will be in unlimited quantities until demand wanes or I develop something better with advances in the industry. I am not at liberty to discuss any further, but 2011 promises to be an extremely exciting year. Hey, Janty has just announced their "drip tank system" and improvement to the eGo T, from JoyE. So advances are being experienced daily.
To me, I am not really in business. I do this more as a hobby while retired and get to use my skills to benefit the vaping community with an affordable product, while keeping me busy during dreary winters, not to mention doing something I truly enjoy while making some spare cash in this troubled economy.
I worded that incorrectly, end result being the same... I did say voltage remains the same, when I meant to say, the voltage sags... In either case, the DCs perform badly on low current delivery batteries... Because the voltage sags and can't heat the coils which is why higher voltage PV users seem to like these... What they lack in current delivery they compensate by upping the voltage.
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