dual coil?

[atavanhalen]

Josh,

I am glad I was able to convey my thoughts without being too abrasive. Yes Isaac will bend over backwards in order to please everyone. It is his nature and hence why folks appreciate him so much.

I dunno man, I have kinda gotten used to you being a bit abrasive and have learned to like it. I beleive I speak for a lot of people when I say that we want you to be yourself, especially in this subforum. I know this is off topic so I apologize but your post kinda tripped me out a little bit.

 

[TexasT]

I worded that incorrectly, end result being the same... I did say voltage remains the same, when I meant to say, the voltage sags... In either case, the DCs perform badly on low current delivery batteries... Because the voltage sags and can't heat the coils which is why higher voltage PV users seem to like these... What they lack in current delivery they compensate by upping the voltage.

Zen, thanks for all the valuable information.

Allow me to ask a question please.

You stated "which is why higher voltage PV users seem to like these... What they lack in current delivery they compensate by upping the voltage."

Is this a bad thing? Does it adversely affect the batteries or say the variable voltage mod?

Thanks for helping me to understand.

 

[Zen~]

Zen, thanks for all the valuable information.

Allow me to ask a question please.

You stated "which is why higher voltage PV users seem to like these... What they lack in current delivery they compensate by upping the voltage."

Is this a bad thing? Does it adversely affect the batteries or say the variable voltage mod?

Thanks for helping me to understand.

It's not "bad" or harmful... It's inefficient! In a world where folks are chasing maximum vapor with long battery run times it seems to be a step in the wrong direction. Other than that, on paper it probably seems like a good idea. In the spirit of this thread, I can't see ikenvape chasing this latest band wagon when they already make attys and cartos that outperform pretty much everything on the market.

 

[TexasT]

It's not "bad" or harmful... It's inefficient! In a world where folks are chasing maximum vapor with long battery run times it seems to be a step in the wrong direction. Other than that, on paper it probably seems like a good idea. In the spirit of this thread, I can't see ikenvape chasing this latest band wagon when they already make attys and cartos that outperform pretty much everything on the market.

Yes, that makes sense. Thanks!

 

[Gracchus Grey]

Are we talking about two theoretical coils, or have people already sliced some DC cartos open? Sounds like they are two coils wired in parallel, but with some mechanical bottleneck or something, which is the carts can give off so many different numbers

zen, isn't that inefficiency part of the intentional appeal? Help compatibility across the voltage range

plus, who doesn't think '2 is better than 1'?

 

[EvilGnome6]

It's not "bad" or harmful... It's inefficient! In a world where folks are chasing maximum vapor with long battery run times it seems to be a step in the wrong direction. Other than that, on paper it probably seems like a good idea. In the spirit of this thread, I can't see ikenvape chasing this latest band wagon when they already make attys and cartos that outperform pretty much everything on the market.

Whether you're increasing the voltage or dropping the resistance, you're going to push more current. I don't know what the net difference is in efficiency of one versus the other but I doubt it's that great. A given number of watts will probably vaporize the same amount of juice either way.

Conceptually, I think the biggest argument for a dual coil atomizer is durability. A 1.5 Ohm dual coil atomizer will draw just as much current as a 1.5 Ohm single coil atomizer but the current is split between the two coils. It means less stress on each coil and a reduced chance of scorching the juice since there's a greater surface area to distribute the heat. Perhaps the same effect could be achieved by using a longer, thicker length of nichrome.

 

[EvilGnome6]

Are we talking about two theoretical coils, or have people already sliced some DC cartos open? Sounds like they are two coils wired in parallel, but with some mechanical bottleneck or something, which is the carts can give off so many different numbers

They've been dissected to show two 3.2 Ohm coils wired in parallel.

 

[dspin]

Josh,

I am glad I was able to convey my thoughts without being too abrasive. Yes Isaac will bend over backwards in order to please everyone. It is his nature and hence why folks appreciate him so much.

I can attest to that. Isaac goes above and beyond

 

[Timothy Cullen]

well well i say great disscussion and thank you for the privy insight to the buissness side of ikenvape. i do attest to the fact that his cartos are some of the greatest around.
as for a fad on the dual coils it might just be but who knows these things. i will say that the idea of a greater surface area for cartos is an idea to look into. as for the clearomizers and ce2s they are just absoulute crap. im sorry but they just dont wick without fiddling and messing with and praying to the vaping god lol.
i just gotta say that ikenvape is top notch and the price cannot be beat. i look forward to whatever issac comes out with next.

 

[mwa102464]

OK my turn, I would still like to see a quad coil after reading all of this that has been discussed here, and it having stainless steel mesh for wicking material. This would seem to be and make for one helluva carto the way I see it. !

 

[Switched]

well well i say great disscussion and thank you for the privy insight to the buissness side of ikenvape. i do attest to the fact that his cartos are some of the greatest around.
as for a fad on the dual coils it might just be but who knows these things. i will say that the idea of a greater surface area for cartos is an idea to look into. as for the clearomizers and ce2s they are just absoulute crap. im sorry but they just dont wick without fiddling and messing with and praying to the vaping god lol.
i just gotta say that ikenvape is top notch and the price cannot be beat. i look forward to whatever issac comes out with next.

In the perfect world Tim you would be right. Unfortunately a greater heating area requires a larger cooling sink as well. This is especially problematic when we depend on wicking, which is the result of the majority of reported issues on/of many cartomisers, and more predominant as VG ratios in liquid increase. Sorry

 

[atavanhalen]

as for a fad on the dual coils it might just be but who knows these things. i will say that the idea of a greater surface area for cartos is an idea to look into. as for the clearomizers and ce2s they are just absoulute crap. im sorry but they just dont wick without fiddling and messing with and praying to the vaping god lol.

This is one that I really do not think is a fad, and I think you might know that as well. Ce2s and clearomizers are ridiculous and do not work, at least they do not work for people with my my vaping style. If they turn out to be a fad, I will be pretty bummed because it is unreal how hard it is for me to burn these.


Hey Zen, without having to read back through the thread have you tried these things? I will not argue that these things are inefficient cuz they are but I honestly do not care as long as they hit great and do not burn while vaping them, I know some people would feel differently but thats my take

 

[Timothy Cullen]

thank you switched you are an amazing help everytime. i dont really understand a lot besides finding out bassic wattage and such. your insightful and always level headed.
i gotta say this was all just a feeler thread. i love the gold v2s and i am sure they way out performe the DC cartos. i have two i bought like 2 months ago and one is still going strong. i messed the other one up myself by playing with the bottom part that turns on the carto.
it bassically just came loose and doesnt fire anymore.

as said before i love ikenvape and what ever issac decides to carry im sure ill love. id rather he had like suggested a small boutique of items that were top notch than become the walmart of ecigs.

 

[Zen~]

Hey Zen, without having to read back through the thread have you tried these things?

I usually don't comment on things I have not tried myself, but in this case, I must admit I haven't used one... I chimed in on the science behind it (more or less), not the experience of using them.

I do intend to give them a whirl, but I'm not hopeful... I have the ability to get a good vape using single coil technology. At the very least I can't see paying more for performance improvements that are marginal, as reported by some, and non existant as reported by others.

When I purchased an eGo I learned that rave reviews on ECF cannot be trusted.

 

[5cardstud]

All I can say is I have a bunch of Ikenvapes cartos in my use box and I use them every day. I also have a box of dual coils in mmy junk cartos box because they worked so bad for me. Oh there in there with the vortex and the fluxomizers and a bunch of other new fangled cartomizers I was suckered into buying because they were supposed to be so good. Yuk is the only word I can use to describe them.

 

[Switched]

It's not "bad" or harmful... It's inefficient! In a world where folks are chasing maximum vapor with long battery run times it seems to be a step in the wrong direction. Other than that, on paper it probably seems like a good idea. In the spirit of this thread, I can't see ikenvape chasing this latest band wagon when they already make attys and cartos that outperform pretty much everything on the market.

I am not up with this particular concept, but from a purely engineering stand point, running anything inefficiently is never a good thing.

 

[atavanhalen]

All I can say is I have a bunch of Ikenvapes cartos in my use box and I use them every day. I also have a box of dual coils in mmy junk cartos box because they worked so bad for me. Oh there in there with the vortex and the fluxomizers and a bunch of other new fangled cartomizers I was suckered into buying because they were supposed to be so good. Yuk is the only word I can use to describe them.

That where isaac comes in I have tried the other ones you mentioned and they suck donkey ***** but these seem different to me, but the qc is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[atavanhalen]

I usually don't comment on things I have not tried myself, but in this case, I must admit I haven't used one... I chimed in on the science behind it (more or less), not the experience of using them.

I do intend to give them a whirl, but I'm not hopeful... I have the ability to get a good vape using single coil technology. At the very least I can't see paying more for performance improvements that are marginal, as reported by some, and non existant as reported by others.

When I purchased an eGo I learned that rave reviews on ECF cannot be trusted.

Yeah let me know what you think, promise me that you will at least give them a fair shake.

They are definitely less efficient but I am ok with that as long as I get the th and flavor that I want.

 

[Zen~]

Yeah let me know what you think, promise me that you will at least give them a fair shake.

They are definitely less efficient but I am ok with that as long as I get the th and flavor that I want.

I just got my first 801 Fusion cartos from Isaac today... I can't imagine a better carto... these are pretty darned amazing right out of the boge-looking box... they sure don't perform like boge! I have to wonder what he's having them do that is so different from others!

 

[EvilGnome6]

In the perfect world Tim you would be right. Unfortunately a greater heating area requires a larger cooling sink as well.

Even if the same number of watts is being generated? Sorry, I'm just trying to conceptualize why.

This is especially problematic when we depend on wicking, which is the result of the majority of reported issues on/of many cartomisers, and more predominant as VG ratios in liquid increase. Sorry

I think this is where the dual coils might have an advantage. If they are wicking from separate points in the cartomizer, then they each require half of the flow rate of a single coil to generate the same amount of vapor. Think of it like two lanes of traffic rather than one.