it's now been 3 weeks since i've had a real cigarette , back in april i was told i needed a major operation to be done by keyhole surgery. the op would be 6/8 weeks but i needed to stop smoking 4 weeks before. as the weeks went by it was always "i'll stop tomorrow" any way to cut a long story short a cancellation came in 4 weeks after being told 6/8 (i hadn't even done a day)on pre-med day they told me the surgeon smokes 60 fags a day, not to even attempt to try and pack up as the stress of it would make it worse. wouldn't it be good if we could spread the word about e:cig more internationally, and get to these people like me who needed oxygen for 48 hours apparently because of smoking, it just makes me wonder what if anything can be done. If i'd had an e:cig back then i wouldn't have bothered.
E:cig literature for hospitals
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I was told the same thing before surgery last year. I needed carotid artery surgery and was pretty depressed about what lay ahead. I thought it best to quit cigarettes before going under the knife, so I quit. I had been cigarette-free for three weeks when I went for a consultation at the hospital.
The person talking to me blithely spouted her usual statement, informing me that I could smoke right up until the surgery, that quitting was stressful and not necessary before the operation. I couldn't believe my ears: I'd quit for nothing. (Not really, of course.)
The surgery was done; I was saved; I went back to cigarettes for two months, then quit completely with the use of (mainly) snus and (later) e-smoking devices. Last week marked a year without a tobacco cigarette. I use snus several times daily and e-smoke non-stop. Great combo to quiet the demons nicotine birthed in my brain.
BTW: I was told it was smoking that clogged my artery, and the surgeon said I had about a week to live if the operation had not been done. I had cataract surgery two years ago. I was told smoking caused that condition most often found in people 20 years my senior. I do not doubt the truth of what I was told. It provided motivation to stay off tobacco cigarettes.
The person talking to me blithely spouted her usual statement, informing me that I could smoke right up until the surgery, that quitting was stressful and not necessary before the operation. I couldn't believe my ears: I'd quit for nothing. (Not really, of course.)
The surgery was done; I was saved; I went back to cigarettes for two months, then quit completely with the use of (mainly) snus and (later) e-smoking devices. Last week marked a year without a tobacco cigarette. I use snus several times daily and e-smoke non-stop. Great combo to quiet the demons nicotine birthed in my brain.
BTW: I was told it was smoking that clogged my artery, and the surgeon said I had about a week to live if the operation had not been done. I had cataract surgery two years ago. I was told smoking caused that condition most often found in people 20 years my senior. I do not doubt the truth of what I was told. It provided motivation to stay off tobacco cigarettes.
Thank's Bob for your comments dont you think it would be great for all those smokers out there to have this great alternative if only they were told about it . shame i hadn't got to see him again (thank god) else i would have told him about it too
It was a great story and i'm also glad it turned out well for TB but this is life and reality i'm afraid.
The reality is that some hospitals may never welcome e-smoking. It just looks too much like a practice now banned anywhere on their property. No emergency room puffers. No post-op room puffers. No delivery room puffers. And no more pipe smoking doctors in the parking lot next to the Porsches and Mercedes-Benzes.
If you look at the newest anti literature, you will find they are going after it ALL. No e-cigs. No snus. No cigars. No pipes. No Stonewall tobacco bits. They are after a complete ban on tobacco and anything that remotely resembles smoking or tobacco usage.
I saw one such anti-tobacco presentation yesterday and they view e-smoking as a deplorable way to entice young people to a lifelong addiction. Get ready for the fight!!!
If you look at the newest anti literature, you will find they are going after it ALL. No e-cigs. No snus. No cigars. No pipes. No Stonewall tobacco bits. They are after a complete ban on tobacco and anything that remotely resembles smoking or tobacco usage.
I saw one such anti-tobacco presentation yesterday and they view e-smoking as a deplorable way to entice young people to a lifelong addiction. Get ready for the fight!!!
That's why I take on barmen, railway porters and civilians. Limbering up for the majors...
and I am in the middle of it..the fight is already on...to choose between the lesser of two evils....and a long way to go still.....
You were allowed to smoke at the hospital but you had to be signed in and out of the ward / it took 15 minutes to get outside / what makes me laugh is when you speak to these nurses most of them smoke i suppose theyv'e got a private cubby hole somewhere with a can of air freshner
I could SMELL smoke on the hands of nurses who popped stuff into my mouth. I startled one by telling her she'd just had a cigarette (your sense of smell goes through the roof when you quit cigarettes).
Two weeks later, all smoking anywhere on hospital property was banned. Nurses were told they could not smoke. They were offered NRT and counseling to quit. Some left the hospital and moved to other states. Some quit.
On my visits to non-smoking hospitals, I have a snus firmly in place at all times.
Glad to see your post, Dr. Loi. Boy are you ever in the middle of the battle!
Two weeks later, all smoking anywhere on hospital property was banned. Nurses were told they could not smoke. They were offered NRT and counseling to quit. Some left the hospital and moved to other states. Some quit.
On my visits to non-smoking hospitals, I have a snus firmly in place at all times.
Glad to see your post, Dr. Loi. Boy are you ever in the middle of the battle!
Hi all,
I posted on this the other day. I'm a nurse and I think the way we send patients out into the cold with drips etc is just plain dangerous. Certainly in the hospitals I work in nurses go outside too, so no favouritism there!
Most people who are desperate to smoke and go half a mile outside are obvioulsy not going to have a little thing like being in hospital stop them.
We had a sixty a day smoker come in the other night, totally bedbound. WOW did we have a fun shift....flippin nightmare. Was before I heard about e-cigs
. Have a bunch of cards from smokester now to spread the word.
Might not be politicaly correct but there should be a safe place indoors for patients- too damn dangerous some of these people wandering off the ward, and they aint going to quit so why make it so damned hard?!
Anyway, I'm going to do my bit and spread the word, just hope I can a couple of nicotine addicts out there!
luffy
I posted on this the other day. I'm a nurse and I think the way we send patients out into the cold with drips etc is just plain dangerous. Certainly in the hospitals I work in nurses go outside too, so no favouritism there!
Most people who are desperate to smoke and go half a mile outside are obvioulsy not going to have a little thing like being in hospital stop them.
We had a sixty a day smoker come in the other night, totally bedbound. WOW did we have a fun shift....flippin nightmare. Was before I heard about e-cigs
. Have a bunch of cards from smokester now to spread the word.Might not be politicaly correct but there should be a safe place indoors for patients- too damn dangerous some of these people wandering off the ward, and they aint going to quit so why make it so damned hard?!
Anyway, I'm going to do my bit and spread the word, just hope I can a couple of nicotine addicts out there!
luffy
Hi all,
I posted on this the other day. I'm a nurse and I think the way we send patients out into the cold with drips etc is just plain dangerous. Certainly in the hospitals I work in nurses go outside too, so no favouritism there!
Most people who are desperate to smoke and go half a mile outside are obvioulsy not going to have a little thing like being in hospital stop them.
We had a sixty a day smoker come in the other night, totally bedbound. WOW did we have a fun shift....flippin nightmare. Was before I heard about e-cigs
Might not be politicaly correct but there should be a safe place indoors for patients- too damn dangerous some of these people wandering off the ward, and they aint going to quit so why make it so damned hard?!
Anyway, I'm going to do my bit and spread the word, just hope I can a couple of nicotine addicts out there!
luffy
Hi Luffy
is there no way that patients can be told by there surgeon or someone like them when attending a hospital appointment, not only the bad news they need an op but told they've got to pack up smoking as well about the e;cig could or would help them cut back or stop smoking
Hi all,
I posted on this the other day. I'm a nurse and I think the way we send patients out into the cold with drips etc is just plain dangerous. Certainly in the hospitals I work in nurses go outside too, so no favouritism there!
Most people who are desperate to smoke and go half a mile outside are obvioulsy not going to have a little thing like being in hospital stop them.
We had a sixty a day smoker come in the other night, totally bedbound. WOW did we have a fun shift....flippin nightmare. Was before I heard about e-cigs
Might not be politicaly correct but there should be a safe place indoors for patients- too damn dangerous some of these people wandering off the ward, and they aint going to quit so why make it so damned hard?!
Anyway, I'm going to do my bit and spread the word, just hope I can a couple of nicotine addicts out there!
luffy
At last. Someone in the medical profession with a bit of commonsense!
Some hospitals seem to be more like prisons than hospitals what with security on the ward doors, patients having to ask permission to go outside (almost like being back at school "Pleaze mith. Can I leave the room?"
)My son is getting a kidney transplant. My brother is the donor. My brother has never smoked in his life - just plain never liked the idea. A few months back, one of the transplant nurse/counsellors told me as my brother would be staying at our house prior to the transplant I would not be able to smoke as it would affect my brother, would be detrimental to him etc. etc.. She at least had the good grace to look embarrassed about this and it was obvious she didn't believe what she was saying. Me being me told her she was talking cobblers
The head of the transplant team HATES smokers to the point of being downright nasty to the patients (smokers) in his care. He treats them offhand and with disdain. People who are desperately ill through kidney failure, nothing at all to do with smoking as, like my son most of them suffer from hereditary kidney failure. Many of them have refused to be under his care. Thankfully my son's consultant is a much nicer man and isn't so worried about whether people smoke or not.Still, with the wonderful e-cig, we don't have that problem now
And it ain't easy......but I will be enjoying this one...it make sense somewhat for those dim witted govt ppl to rethink their policies....their heads are all in the money pool..tax money to be exact.....and with that in mind , best way to fight it is to join them(plan B)...I'll tell you more TB next time....their Archilles Heel...
At last. Someone in the medical profession with a bit of commonsense!
Some hospitals seem to be more like prisons than hospitals what with security on the ward doors, patients having to ask permission to go outside (almost like being back at school "Pleaze mith. Can I leave the room?"
My son is getting a kidney transplant. My brother is the donor. My brother has never smoked in his life - just plain never liked the idea. A few months back, one of the transplant nurse/counsellors told me as my brother would be staying at our house prior to the transplant I would not be able to smoke as it would affect my brother, would be detrimental to him etc. etc.. She at least had the good grace to look embarrassed about this and it was obvious she didn't believe what she was saying. Me being me told her she was talking cobblers
Still, with the wonderful e-cig, we don't have that problem now
What makes me mad is whether you are having a major ooperation or something minor they always blame smoking
it's not much different when you go the the doctors if you've got a cold and bad chest or a boil on your bum they blame smoking
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luffy's way cool. I had a routine BP check the other day and the nurse asked me if I smoked
"Yes and no..."
10 minutes later I had another convert...
"Yes and no..."
10 minutes later I had another convert...
LOL Miss Diane. That's why I stay away from doctors at all costs. For some time now, when accompanying my son to hospital (40 miles away) they've been trying to persuade me to have my kidneys tested. I keep declining the invitation. I could develop the same disease as my son (one of these genetic ones which affects males more than females, but females sometimes do develop kidney failure in later life - my grandmother died from it age 55). I prefer to "cross that bridge" if I come to it.
Some 5 years ago, I broke a bone in my hand. First question I got asked was "Do you smoke?" My reply to that was not very ladylike to say the least. In fact, if I printed what I said I'm sure I would be banned from the forum. Poor A&E doctor said, in a small, sheepish voice "Sorry...I've got to ask. Hospital policy" - and he turned a very bright shade of red. I had great difficulty keeping a straight face despite the pain in my hand
My son gets to puff on his e-cig when he's on dialysis though - that's if he stays awake long enough as he tends to go to sleep. Not being able to do anything for 4 - 5 hours is incredibly boring
) they've been trying to persuade me to have my kidneys tested. I keep declining the invitation. I could develop the same disease as my son (one of these genetic ones which affects males more than females, but females sometimes do develop kidney failure in later life - my grandmother died from it age 55). I prefer to "cross that bridge" if I come to it.Some 5 years ago, I broke a bone in my hand. First question I got asked was "Do you smoke?" My reply to that was not very ladylike to say the least. In fact, if I printed what I said I'm sure I would be banned from the forum. Poor A&E doctor said, in a small, sheepish voice "Sorry...I've got to ask. Hospital policy" - and he turned a very bright shade of red. I had great difficulty keeping a straight face despite the pain in my hand
My son gets to puff on his e-cig when he's on dialysis though - that's if he stays awake long enough as he tends to go to sleep. Not being able to do anything for 4 - 5 hours is incredibly boring
Cheers Lady Python and Emp, you've made my day
Miss Diane, it drives me mad too when everything is blamed on smoking. A nice easy copout methinks...lots of things can get overlooked when there's a handy excuse there for the taking. no need to think, do tests etc, just blame it on the fags, job done...NEXT! As for the consultant who treats his patient badly, very unprofessional indeed....he probably eats too much or drinks too much.......we all have our vices (some more than others I admit, but still...) As a medical professional we are not supposed to judge people, looks like he missed that bit of his training...
I don't see why consultants couldn't recommend e-cigarettes to people, but it's them getting to know about it that is the problem. Also I think TB is right, for many people it's anti nictoine in ANY form. Maybe I should go back to sales but go round selling the e-cig concept to Doctors....maybe Smokester would employ me.
seriously though, short of knocking on doors or some nationwide publicity of the products the only option is to keep plugging away. I've already snuck some cards on noticeboards on the wards (I'm agency so all over the place) so my next job will be outpatient departments...maybe will get noticed by a few interested nurses and doctors and they can help spread the word.
Miss Diane, it drives me mad too when everything is blamed on smoking. A nice easy copout methinks...lots of things can get overlooked when there's a handy excuse there for the taking. no need to think, do tests etc, just blame it on the fags, job done...NEXT! As for the consultant who treats his patient badly, very unprofessional indeed....he probably eats too much or drinks too much.......we all have our vices (some more than others I admit, but still...) As a medical professional we are not supposed to judge people, looks like he missed that bit of his training...
I don't see why consultants couldn't recommend e-cigarettes to people, but it's them getting to know about it that is the problem. Also I think TB is right, for many people it's anti nictoine in ANY form. Maybe I should go back to sales but go round selling the e-cig concept to Doctors....maybe Smokester would employ me
.seriously though, short of knocking on doors or some nationwide publicity of the products the only option is to keep plugging away. I've already snuck some cards on noticeboards on the wards (I'm agency so all over the place) so my next job will be outpatient departments...maybe will get noticed by a few interested nurses and doctors and they can help spread the word.
LOL Miss Diane. That's why I stay away from doctors at all costs. For some time now, when accompanying my son to hospital (40 miles away
Some 5 years ago, I broke a bone in my hand. First question I got asked was "Do you smoke?" My reply to that was not very ladylike to say the least. In fact, if I printed what I said I'm sure I would be banned from the forum. Poor A&E doctor said, in a small, sheepish voice "Sorry...I've got to ask. Hospital policy" - and he turned a very bright shade of red. I had great difficulty keeping a straight face despite the pain in my hand
My son gets to puff on his e-cig when he's on dialysis though - that's if he stays awake long enough as he tends to go to sleep. Not being able to do anything for 4 - 5 hours is incredibly boring
Hi Lady Python
thanks for your interest in this subject, if i dont speak to you before good luck with your son and hope all goes well with the op's
I happened to pop into Boots today to get a pair of tweezers (mine have disappeared as usual). I passed the NRT stand so had a look at the prices.
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No wonder big pharma are desperate to peddle the stuff. The prices are astronomical. Nearly £20 for a packet of nicotine chewing gum, which, of course, states "Willpower Needed". If it was any other product or company, they'd be had up by the Office of Fair Trading for misleading/ripping off the public
By the way, I didn't buy Boot's tweezers. For the pointed type they wanted £4.50. The cheapest slant tweezers were £1.89. I went to Asda next door and got a pair for 49p!!!
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No wonder big pharma are desperate to peddle the stuff. The prices are astronomical. Nearly £20 for a packet of nicotine chewing gum, which, of course, states "Willpower Needed". If it was any other product or company, they'd be had up by the Office of Fair Trading for misleading/ripping off the public
By the way, I didn't buy Boot's tweezers. For the pointed type they wanted £4.50. The cheapest slant tweezers were £1.89. I went to Asda next door and got a pair for 49p!!!
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