E:cig literature for hospitals

[Miss Diane]

Cheers Lady Python and Emp, you've made my day

Miss Diane, it drives me mad too when everything is blamed on smoking. A nice easy copout methinks...lots of things can get overlooked when there's a handy excuse there for the taking. no need to think, do tests etc, just blame it on the fags, job done...NEXT! As for the consultant who treats his patient badly, very unprofessional indeed....he probably eats too much or drinks too much.......we all have our vices (some more than others I admit, but still...) As a medical professional we are not supposed to judge people, looks like he missed that bit of his training...

I don't see why consultants couldn't recommend e-cigarettes to people, but it's them getting to know about it that is the problem. Also I think TB is right, for many people it's anti nictoine in ANY form. Maybe I should go back to sales but go round selling the e-cig concept to Doctors....maybe Smokester would employ me .

seriously though, short of knocking on doors or some nationwide publicity of the products the only option is to keep plugging away. I've already snuck some cards on noticeboards on the wards (I'm agency so all over the place) so my next job will be outpatient departments...maybe will get noticed by a few interested nurses and doctors and they can help spread the word.

i've been debating contacting all my customers on my database to tell them about e;cig to try and spread the word because it looks like word of mouth is the only option

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

I wouldn't buy a shoelace out of Boots. Way, way off topic so I won't post it but I nearly killed a guy in there a couple of years back...

 

[TropicalBob]

Here's a spreading medical problem in the U.S.: There are a growing number of doctors who will no longer treat smokers. Hippocratic Oath be damned. If you smoke, they won't treat you. For anything. They are ridding their patient load of all smokers and accepting no new smoking patients.

My work health insurance had a $60 "premium" I had to pay every month because I smoked. I figured that was just an additional smoking cost when I added up what buying cigarettes cost me each month.

Law enforcement in my area will not hire smokers. All of the City of Sarasota will not employ smokers in any job, not even garbage collector. Workers are tested regularly for cotinine in their saliva. And, yes, we e-smokers have cotinine, a nicotine byproduct, in our saliva, blood and urine. We couldn't get a job there.

The new signs now read "No tobacco Use" on this property.

We'd like to think e-smoking would be beneficial in situations like forced hospital stays. But I don't think it will allowed. No more so than in prisons (banned). Or addiction recovery facilities (banned). E-smoking will be seen as a way to continue nicotine addiction -- and you just know the anti's aren't going to get onboard our bandwagon without some very persuasive work by manufacturers to get e-smoking officially approved by the Food & Drug Administration.

We need science on our side first. Then we need the law. Right now, we have neither.

 

[dnakr]

Your absolutely right TB - here in Newport News, companies have quit hiring smokers and the ones that are smoking have been put on notice to either quit or be fired. The police department states that if they catch up off duty on your own time smoking, you are fired. Now some of these companies are even going so far as to include the worker's spouses.

I wonder how long before we get science on our side, then the law - probably never or if it does ever happen, it will be after my lifetime.

 

[TropicalBob]

That's why I'm betting so much on the Ruyan-funded testing in New Zealand. Anecdotes won't do. We need clinical proof that what we do is safe and efficient. I do wish Dr. Loi's trials could have continued in the way intended, but we'll see what the good wily doctor is up to. Without clinical trials, the FDA will laugh this away at first hearing. All the negatives have been stated. We need clinical positives to present.

 

[Lady Python]

Without opening up the anti-smoking argument again as I've made how I feel very clear in more than a few posts, please take note that every study finding against tobacco (from which nicotine is derived) is funded by big pharma. These studies are completely biased.

However, there are a quite a few more reliable studies being done and the findings are quite the opposite of what we've all been led to believe.

From what I've been hearing, the anti-anything brigade are not going to get such an easy ride from now on, especially in this country. The old saying of give someone enough rope and eventually they'll hang themselves seems have started over here

On smokers being kicked out of jobs in favour of non-smokers, why are smokers the only group on Earth who are victimised in this way? If someone was kicked out of a job for their colour, religion or whatever, there would be merry h*ll to pay, so why are smokers so persecuted, and more to the point, why do smokers ALLOW themselves to be persecuted like this.

Beggars belief

 

[luffy]

Good grief, it really is bad over there isn't it. I'm really shocked it's so bad.

Tropical Bob, i'm quite sure it won't be allowed in hospitals etc ( if the powers that be have anything to with it) however at least it's something that can be done behind the curtains,in the loo etc without any smell to give people away.

May just save a few people's sanity!

 

[TropicalBob]

I'm with you, Luffy. If I have to stay in a hospital again, you can bet I'll sneak in my e-cig and cartridges to use. There are many times when a patient could e-smoke without detection. I will NOT flaunt it in the faces of hospital personnel, however. For times when I can't e-smoke, I'll have a snus portion tucked in my mouth.

Rock the boat in the wrong situation and it turns over and drowns you.