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Oh I have good news and bad news today...the bad news is my cartos still aren't here....DARN YOU USPS!!! I even paid the extra for the shipping upgrade...meh

The good news is my ego was shoppied out today so I should have it by Wednesday at the latest.

Looks like they shipped them by slow boat. You sure you didn't check that option. You might have been sleepy.
 

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I am not too much bothered by spirders but I am almost deathly afraid of June bugs :D. Yeah it makkes no sense to me either and my fingers are udr attack as I type.

I am the exact same way. HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE June Bugs. Spiders, meh, as long as they're not biting me. In fact, if I see a big one with a web, I leave it be, they eat the june bugs :D

Stink bugs and June bugs. EEEEEWWWWW!

One night at a baseball game the June Bugs kept falling on us because we were sitting right under some big lighting and they would fly into the light and knock themselves out. I haven't been to a night game since.

That is so funny, I was just thinking the same thing. Most bugs don't bother me in the least, but I can't stand it when june bugs crawl on me!

We need a June Bug Phobia Support thread! :laugh:
 

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Fonedude (from the Flavors thread on QSMB):

+1 on tobacco flavors here. That's just one more reason I would never smoke again. Cigarettes for me never tasted anything like they smelled when you first opened the pack, or anywhre near as good as a good tobacco vape.

Haven't tried Tobacco Absolute, but I know it was a major component of all time favorite, JC Tennessee Cured. I'm using Flavor Art Maxboro Ultimate and Cowboy now in my DIY, both are very, very tasty. Maxboro especially has a very nice tobacco store aroma to it.
 

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Fonedude (from the Flavors thread on QSMB):

+1 on tobacco flavors here. That's just one more reason I would never smoke again. Cigarettes for me never tasted anything like they smelled when you first opened the pack, or anywhre near as good as a good tobacco vape.

Haven't tried Tobacco Absolute, but I know it was a major component of all time favorite, JC Tennessee Cured. I'm using Flavor Art Maxboro Ultimate and Cowboy now in my DIY, both are very, very tasty. Maxboro especially has a very nice tobacco store aroma to it.

Man thanks for the tip. Always looking for a good tobacco flavor. When I find one I like I add a few drops to my plain juice. Just for a little kick. I will definitely look into those.
 

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You know, in reading more of that http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lp-advice-recommendations-35.html#post3336040 thread, it reminds me of another good argument for e-cigarette over abstinence in some cases. Someone who has smoked 50!! years and is finally looking to watch out for their well-being isn't going to be someone who has felt a "slave to addiction" and just wants to beat the "nicodemon." They just want to add on a few more years to their life!

Yep, that's pretty much where I was. I was fortunate that I had not yet begun to see any long-term health effects from all my years of smoking (that I know of, or perhaps they haven't manifested themselves yet). I wanted to eliminate the negative consequences of smoking, but was not yet willing to give up the pleasure I derived from smoking.

This comment got me thinking: "Addiction is a disease. Some have it and some don't..". (Not picking on the person who made it, I believe it to be a known truth).

I've never considered myself to have an addictive personality, but I most definitely have an obsessive one. If I come across a new game or hobby, I will obsess over it incessantly; I simply can't get enough of it. I will spend untold amounts of time (and in some cases, money) pursuing it. Then, I will reach some milestone with it, and simply drop it. It's almost like some switch was thrown in my brain, and I'll move on to the next one. In some cases, I'll come back to it later, but usually not with the same fervor as before. When I'm in my peak, it would seem to some that I am addicted to it, but I don't think I would just drop it without some external influence or a conscious effort if I truly were addicted.

In my wilder, younger years, I used to go out clubbing a lot, and, of course I would drink. I'd usually get rather drunk, in fact. But I was more interested in the social aspects of the bar life: drinking was only secondary. I would have never considered myself an alcoholic, though some might have thought me to be, considering how much and how often I would drink. But, if I didn't want to go out, I didn't feel compelled to drink. Now, I only drink rarely. If I'm with friends, or at a social event, I may drink heavily. But it is never the primary focus.

My long rambling point to that is, many people drink at various times. Only some of them become alchoholics. Others, like me, can willingly drink when they want, but never get "the disease".

Why is it, then, that someone who smokes, and wants to continue to do so, is automatically labelled a smoking addict? When I wanted to quit, I found it difficult, but was that "addiction", or strong desire? Once I started vaping (and found the correct solution for myself), there was no withdrawal from smoking. I didn't have to battle with a desire to smoke. It was, quite literally, one of the easiest and most painless transitions I've ever made.

So why now, when I choose to continue to use nicotine, am I automatically labelled a "nicotine addict"? The jury is still out on just how harmful nicotine use may or may not be. By using it, I am not compelled to resume the previous destructive behavior; smoking. So, do I really have the disease of addiction, or just a desire to use nicotine? I don't really even know whether I still have a desire or a "need" to use nicotine, but over the next few months I might know otherwise.

I see many here refer to themselves as nicotine addicts, and insist that we all are. I don't believe I am, nor I do believe most of us are. Nor do I think that insisting that it is an addiction, makes it one in the clinical sense.

So, back to the comment that prompted this: "Addiction is a disease. Some have it and some don't...". I can see the truth in that. But, where exactly do we draw the line on what nicotine use is? Is a really a clinical disease, or just a label that been applied? With some things (such as alcohol), it's accepted that usage does not necessarily infer addiction, but with nicotine use, it seems to be an automatic assumption.
 

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Yep, that's pretty much where I was. I was fortunate that I had not yet begun to see any long-term health effects from all my years of smoking (that I know of, or perhaps they haven't manifested themselves yet). I wanted to eliminate the negative consequences of smoking, but was not yet willing to give up the pleasure I derived from smoking.

This comment got me thinking: "Addiction is a disease. Some have it and some don't..". (Not picking on the person who made it, I believe it to be a known truth).

I've never considered myself to have an addictive personality, but I most definitely have an obsessive one. If I come across a new game or hobby, I will obsess over it incessantly; I simply can't get enough of it. I will spend untold amounts of time (and in some cases, money) pursuing it. Then, I will reach some milestone with it, and simply drop it. It's almost like some switch was thrown in my brain, and I'll move on to the next one. In some cases, I'll come back to it later, but usually not with the same fervor as before. When I'm in my peak, it would seem to some that I am addicted to it, but I don't think I would just drop it without some external influence or a conscious effort if I truly were addicted.

In my wilder, younger years, I used to go out clubbing a lot, and, of course I would drink. I'd usually get rather drunk, in fact. But I was more interested in the social aspects of the bar life: drinking was only secondary. I would have never considered myself an alcoholic, though some might have thought me to be, considering how much and how often I would drink. But, if I didn't want to go out, I didn't feel compelled to drink. Now, I only drink rarely. If I'm with friends, or at a social event, I may drink heavily. But it is never the primary focus.

My long rambling point to that is, many people drink at various times. Only some of them become alchoholics. Others, like me, can willingly drink when they want, but never get "the disease".

Why is it, then, that someone who smokes, and wants to continue to do so, is automatically labelled a smoking addict? When I wanted to quit, I found it difficult, but was that "addiction", or strong desire? Once I started vaping (and found the correct solution for myself), there was no withdrawal from smoking. I didn't have to battle with a desire to smoke. It was, quite literally, one of the easiest and most painless transitions I've ever made.

So why now, when I choose to continue to use nicotine, am I automatically labelled a "nicotine addict"? The jury is still out on just how harmful nicotine use may or may not be. By using it, I am not compelled to resume the previous destructive behavior; smoking. So, do I really have the disease of addiction, or just a desire to use nicotine? I don't really even know whether I still have a desire or a "need" to use nicotine, but over the next few months I might know otherwise.

I see many here refer to themselves as nicotine addicts, and insist that we all are. I don't believe I am, nor I do believe most of us are. Nor do I think that insisting that it is an addiction, makes it one in the clinical sense.

So, back to the comment that prompted this: "Addiction is a disease. Some have it and some don't...". I can see the truth in that. But, where exactly do we draw the line on what nicotine use is? Is a really a clinical disease, or just a label that been applied? With some things (such as alcohol), it's accepted that usage does not necessarily infer addiction, but with nicotine use, it seems to be an automatic assumption.

I don't think we can label it right now and be correct. There have been few studies on nicotine's addictive effects outside of tobacco use. There's quite a few people who now believe nicotine alone is not all that addictive.

After vaping for almost two full months and seeing the difference between my dependence on cigarettes and vaping I'm inclined to agree that nicotine alone is not extremely addictive.

IMO the low success rates of NRTs would support that hypothesis as well.
 

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Yep, that's pretty much where I was. I was fortunate that I had not yet begun to see any long-term health effects from all my years of smoking (that I know of, or perhaps they haven't manifested themselves yet). I wanted to eliminate the negative consequences of smoking, but was not yet willing to give up the pleasure I derived from smoking.

This comment got me thinking: "Addiction is a disease. Some have it and some don't.."

I've never considered myself to have an addictive personality, but I most definitely have an obsessive one. If I come across a new game or hobby, I will obsess over it incessantly; I simply can't get enough of it. I will spend untold amounts of time (and in some cases, money) pursuing it. Then, I will reach some milestone with it, and simply drop it. It's almost like some switch was thrown in my brain, and I'll move on to the next one. In some cases, I'll come back to it later, but usually not with the same fervor as before. When I'm in my peak, it would seem to some that I am addicted to it, but I don't think I would just drop it without some external influence or a conscious effort if I truly were addicted.....

.....I wanted to quit, I found it difficult, but was that "addiction", or strong desire? Once I started vaping (and found the correct solution for myself), there was no withdrawal from smoking. I didn't have to battle with a desire to smoke. It was, quite literally, one of the easiest and most painless transitions I've ever made.

Very nice post and I also resemble that remark :toast:
 

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My mother passed away April 23 2011 from COPD due to her smoking heavily for 50 plus years. I tried many times to quit, and never succeeded to stay quit. I am a LOT like my mother. Some good ways, some not so good ways. I was well on my way to being just like her having COPD. Breathing was hard, wheezed all the time, had chronic bronchitis, on inhalers, and I finally said, nope, not going that route. Then a very good friend got me going on ecigs (before my mother passed away), and I have not looked back since. My breathing is so much better, I don't wheeze anymore, and I'm off inhalers. I've never felt better. Well except for missing a step on the air seeder and twisting my ankle. And even that is better since I took up vaping. HA just kidding.
 

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My mother passed away April 23 2011 from COPD due to her smoking heavily for 50 plus years. I tried many times to quit, and never succeeded to stay quit. I am a LOT like my mother. Some good ways, some not so good ways. I was well on my way to being just like her having COPD. Breathing was hard, wheezed all the time, had chronic bronchitis, on inhalers, and I finally said, nope, not going that route. Then a very good friend got me going on ecigs (before my mother passed away), and I have not looked back since. My breathing is so much better, I don't wheeze anymore, and I'm off inhalers. I've never felt better. Well except for missing a step on the air seeder and twisting my ankle. And even that is better since I took up vaping. HA just kidding.

A very good friend indeed sounds like they may have saved your life.
 

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I see many here refer to themselves as nicotine addicts, and insist that we all are. I don't believe I am, nor I do believe most of us are. Nor do I think that insisting that it is an addiction, makes it one in the clinical sense.
Bottom line? I am not a nicotine addict. Never have been.
I smoked between 3 and 10 cigarettes per day for 27 years, and it was NEVER the nicotine I craved.

And anyone who disagrees with me is just plain wrong.
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