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Is this progress? I wish I could like a post once in a while.

Now, how do I delete this post from the wrong thread?

Steph does seem to be coming around a bit, at least to acknowledging that for us, e-cigs are a valid and successful option. The remaining point I would argue still is the "gateway" fear. She doesn't yet understand the superiority of e-cigs over smoking.
 

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With most smoking cessation methods the person decides to quit smoking and then chooses a method. Sets a quit date. Psyches themselves up prior to the quit date. And then deals with the agony of quitting.

I was reading another thread yet this morning (at ECF) from a vaper who "accidentally" quit. I love those stories. Buy a PV to smoke indoors or perhaps at a bar. Then find that vaping is so much more enjoyable than smoking that they just stick with it. Realize one day that they just forgot to smoke. Probably so busy messing with the batteries and cartomizers and hookah doodle juice that they didn't have time to go get cigarettes.

But this ties to my belief that most smokers really want to quit. I think the fear of failing is what kept me from trying, once again, to stop smoking by the traditional methods. Getting people to stop smoking via the personal vaporizer is as simple as getting the word out that are are available, they are inexpensive, and they work.

These miracles are here. Spread the word.

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I'm not sure how much it was the fear of failing for me. Yeah, I've always wanted to quit for health, but I've always wanted to smoke because I enjoy it. The addiction has the final say, and forced me to pay the outrageous prices. The promise of cheaper smokes had me vaping, and I thank God every day that he gave these miracles to us.
 

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I'm not sure how much it was the fear of failing for me. Yeah, I've always wanted to quit for health, but I've always wanted to smoke because I enjoy it. The addiction has the final say, and forced me to pay the outrageous prices. The promise of cheaper smokes had me vaping, and I thank God every day that he gave these miracles to us.

Now that we have been vaping for a while we can start making some other choices for ourselves. Do we want to lower our nicotine level? Do we want to make our own e-liquid to control it's quality? Do we want to continue to vape or wean ourselves off? These are individual choices. But the pressure is off and we can make those decisions, if we choose to, at leisure.

The nasty cigarettes are a thing of the past. For many of us that was the objective to begin with.

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Steph does seem to be coming around a bit, at least to acknowledging that for us, e-cigs are a valid and successful option. The remaining point I would argue still is the "gateway" fear. She doesn't yet understand the superiority of e-cigs over smoking.
I'm not sure it's possible for anyone to understand unless they have used an electronic cigarette.
 

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OMG! Tell me it wasn't the slightest bit of creeper when the Doctor got excited about finding out his relationship with River, AFTER finding out who she is? Go on, I dare you.

If she was only human I'd agree. He has just found a hybrid Time Lordy-Human that he no knows knew his name, so they got married and/or had children, whom he taught things too... which I predict means the next companion will be a young River Song. Amy and Rory sign off after this season, if Rory even lives through the season. Remember in the last two episodes when Amy says he wants to be forgiven? He suddenly sees a way out of his guilt. I don't think it was coincidence that the destruction of the Time Lords was mentioned in the three prior episodes to the mid-season finale. In a Doctors Wife he has the 'fear me, I killed them all' line.. then the guilt lines in Flesh I & II. Anyhow. SPOILERS.

On top of that I think this brings him to a rolling solution to The Master and other conflicts still lingering out there. Should be interesting if Moffat doesn't destroy anymore of the continuity of the past ten Doctors. -Magnus
 

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Back (almost) on topic...

What happens when vaping because the ~first~ way a majority of people are introduced to nicotine? This whole cross-board debate will explode again and many members of ECF _HATE_ that people are coming to vaping as their form of smoking first. With time that's more and more likely. -Magnus
 

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Back (almost) on topic...

What happens when vaping because the ~first~ way a majority of people are introduced to nicotine? This whole cross-board debate will explode again and many members of ECF _HATE_ that people are coming to vaping as their form of smoking first. With time that's more and more likely. -Magnus

I wouldn't suggest to someone that has never smoked that they should start vaping. That being said, what happened to free will and personal accountability?
 

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I wouldn't suggest to someone that has never smoked that they should start vaping. That being said, what happened to free will and personal accountability?

But it's happening. More and more. The tobacco industry will just become the nicotine industry with cigars and pipes for reminiscing. And eventually those will do away but I don't see people giving up nicotine anymore than I see them giving up red meat or caffeine. There will always be those who want to use it and we're still making it "cool"... whether people want to admit it or not. The pv/mod industry has a fun side to it and college aged adults especially will start picking it up around campus.

Personal accountability went out the window the first time someone burnt themselves with hot McD's coffee.

A long long time before that. Many decades before that. :-/ -Magnus
 
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But it's happening. More and more. The tobacco industry will just become the nicotine industry with cigars and pipes for reminiscing. And eventually those will do away but I don't see people giving up nicotine anymore than I see them giving up red meat or caffeine. There will always be those who want to use it and we're still making it "cool"... whether people want to admit it or not. The pv/mod industry has a fun side to it and college aged adults especially will start picking it up around campus.

That was kind of my point re: free will and personal accountability. If more and more non-smokers pick up vaping it's their choice, just like it was my choice to start smoking cigs. I regret my choice, but at least I was able to make it for myself. I don't want to limit others' ability to make choices for themselves whether or not I agree with them.

Of all the people I have discussed PVs with, the only ones who thought it was "cool" were long time smokers who want to quit because they saw it as another tool to quit. I haven't been at this for very long though, so that may change with time. Also, I live in Utah where less than 13% of the population smokes. I'm sure the area I live in that number is even smaller.
 

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Of all the people I have discussed PVs with, the only ones who thought it was "cool" were long time smokers who want to quit because they saw it as another tool to quit.

Part of my work takes me to the University of Florida and University of South Florida a lot. Students there are picking up vaping because of campus-wide smoking bans. And they have turned friend who never smoked into "safe" smokers (how they see it).

You're on key... we'll see how this rolls out the next decade. -Magnus
 

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I don't have a problem with e-cigs becoming the product of choice over cigarettes for new smokers, and I think that that's why it was crucial to have e-cigs accepted as a tobacco product, rather than a smoking cessation product.

People are still starting to smoke for the first time, despite the known dangers. That isn't likely to change so long as cigarettes remain available. The more exposure e-cigs get as a reduced-harm alternative to smoking, the more folks that might just decide to use them instead of cigarettes. Does it make sense for us to have the attitude (unspoken or not) that new potential smokers can't join the vaper club until they've first addicted themselves to deadly cigarettes?

Of course, there's the whole danger of young adults deciding to use e-cigs (but still, I think, they would be far more likely to choose regular cigarettes instead); but someone who is predisposed to take up smoking is going to find a way to do so. At some point the whole "save the children" crowd may have to face the question: "if young folks are going to smoke anyway despite all your efforts to the contrary, why would you prefer they choose the more harmful alternative instead of a safer alternative?"

I wanted to quit, but I always hated the idea of having to give up something that I truly enjoyed. So yeah, that makes them very "cool" to me. But I wanted a "safe" way to smoke long before E-cigs were ever invented.
 
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Yes, I think things will change once e-cigs get really popular. Non smokers who always wanted to know what all the fuss over smoking was will be able to find out in a safer way and that may be more appealing - but once they start I am sure some of them will wonder what the Real Thing is like and try it.

I'm sure some non smokers have bought over the counter nicotine gum and the like to try. We need studies on this and how many of those switched to cigarettes. That data should already be available. If we had that, we could get a better idea how non smokers will react to e-cigs.
 

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Part of my work takes me to the University of Florida and University of South Florida a lot. Students there are picking up vaping because of campus-wide smoking bans. And they have turned friend who never smoked into "safe" smokers (how they see it).

You're on key... we'll see how this rolls out the next decade. -Magnus

I live close to the most prudish university in the country (I'll give you one guess :)). I never thought about using a PV to skirt around the smoking bans so it didn't cross my mind that others would use them as such. Naive, I guess... The only place I vape now that I didn't smoke before is in my house.
 

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Okay, I finished with my merging, and I used about half of your changes, so thanks Kristin!

I must warn you though, that I reversed out two or three punctuation changes.
And I did this even while knowing that your changes were correct.

I have a couple of my own rules about punctuation, and I don't care if they are "correct".
You see what I just did there?

Yeah, that's one of them!
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My method to successfully quit smoking is the electronic cigarette.

I firmly believe that, beyond question, it is the most successful method in existence! As of this writing, there is an abundance of research underway that experts believe will clearly show that electronic cigarettes are far more effective than existing NRTs or cold turkey. Many people who have tried to quit dozens of times using many of the other methods mentioned here (only to eventually relapse to smoking again) feel that electronic cigarettes are truly a miracle.

If anyone tells you that electronic cigarettes are dangerous, that we don’t know what is in them or that the FDA said they contain toxins, carcinogens or anti-freeze, please read the following:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf

Here is the summary for those who don't like to click links...

"The issue of harm reduction has long been controversial in the public health practice of tobacco control. Health advocates have been reluctant to endorse a harm reduction approach out of fear that tobacco companies cannot be trusted to produce and market products that will reduce the risks associated with tobacco use. Recently, companies independent of the tobacco industry introduced electronic cigarettes, devices that deliver vaporized nicotine without combusting tobacco. We review the existing evidence on the safety and efficacy of electronic cigarettes. We then revisit the tobacco harm reduction debate, with a focus on these novel products. We conclude that electronic cigarettes show tremendous promise in the fight against tobacco-related morbidity and mortality. By dramatically expanding the potential for harm reduction strategies to achieve substantial health gains, they may fundamentally alter the tobacco harm reduction debate."


How to quit smoking using an electronic cigarette

The first step is to buy a good product for a good price. That means to avoid almost everything that is widely advertised or comes up in a random Google search. Such products are marketed by companies who often sell poor performing products at outrageous prices. It is also very unlikely to find a high quality product at a reasonable price in a mall, at a liquor store, or in a tobacco shop. Far too many people were introduced to the electronic cigarette through one of the outlets mentioned above only to come to the conclusion that the products do not work very well and will not work for them.

For the lucky ones that see the potential and decide to do some research, in order to find out if there is a better product, it does not take long to find out that there most certainly is. In fact, most people have no idea that an entire world of better products exists.

Now for the most important thing I can say to anyone reading this…

Not only will you need a good product, at a reasonable price, but you will need to find out the kind of electronic cigarette that you need for your particular situation. And you will need to learn how to properly use an electronic cigarette, because there is a bit of a learning curve. The only way to do these things is to interact with those who have come before you and have experience. Unless you know someone who has successfully used an electronic cigarette to quit smoking, your ONLY option for finding such help is an electronic cigarette forum. There are excellent electronic cigarette forums that are full of wonderful, helpful people who also serve as a fantastic support group. An offline support group can be helpful, too, although quitting smoking using electronic cigarettes can be so easy that you may not need any support at all!

As for HOW you quit smoking using an electronic cigarette, I can not tell you that. And really, that is part of the wonder of electronic cigarettes. They let you quit smoking your way, on your own timeframe, in a way that is most comfortable for you.

Just as we smoked for different reasons, we also quit for different reasons. You may want to quit smoking to reduce your health risks or you may want to quit nicotine altogether. Your ultimate goal will determine if you use electronic cigarettes as a permanent replacement for harmful tobacco cigarettes or as a way to wean off nicotine at your own pace.

Either way, once you're off the tobacco cigarettes you have accomplished the most important goal, which is to stop inhaling smoke from burning tobacco. Thanks to electronic cigarettes that part can be accomplished very quickly and almost painlessly!
 
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What happens when vaping because the ~first~ way a majority of people are introduced to nicotine? This whole cross-board debate will explode again and many members of ECF _HATE_ that people are coming to vaping as their form of smoking first. With time that's more and more likely. -Magnus
I think that day will certainly come, but it is so far away that it isn't worth worrying about.
And seriously, that day can ONLY come if electronic cigarettes are firmly entrenched and widely accepted.
 
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