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DC2 - I'm not sure I understand the question. Are you asking someone who was nic free if it felt different than just using nic with no smoke, or different than when they smoked?
Wow, that's awesome!
And I'm with you, I don't get the loved to smoke thing either. Even way back at the beginning, I don't remember ever loving it.
I'm asking if someone who quit smoking, and then eventually quit nicotine, felt any different after quitting the nicotine.
I smoked for a couple of years starting at 18 then quit for a year a half. During that time I don't think I really felt any differently. I was not chained to cigarettes or to nicotine cravings. Now, I use an e-cig and I still don't feel I am chained to E- cigarettes or to nicotine cravings. I can go for over an hour in the mornings before I touch my e-cig and I do it not so much because I Have to but because I Want to. I could not do that with cigarettes. Gone is the guilt over putting something in my body that is killing me. I feel just as free now as I did when I quit for that year and a half.
I think that is part of katiem's thing. Because she believes that nicotine is just as bad for the body as the smoke, she has guilt over the thought of putting nicotine in her body and doesn't understand how someone can not feel guilt about that or find that 'wrong" like she does.
I think that is part of katiem's thing. Because she believes that nicotine is just as bad for the body as the smoke, she has guilt over the thought of putting nicotine in her body and doesn't understand how someone can not feel guilt about that or find that 'wrong" like she does.
Okay, I dont know if this counts or not but... And this is the part I think you're really asking about... I recently fell off a long quit smoking/no nicotine. For that quit, I used the patch for 8 weeks. After the initial withdrawal was over (maybe 1 - 2 weeks tops) I felt good on the nic until I was starting to feel a bit overdosed. Then I would step down to the next level, etc... When I was on 7mg nic patch, I quit using it before the recommended stop time, but I just felt fine with it or without it. No nic overdose feeling, but also no cigarette cravings. When I stopped using 7mg I felt the same as I did when I was using it. I just didn't need it, but it wasn't making me feel odd or anything - no nic OD feelings like at the higher strength patch.
Recently, I smoked pad 1/2 for 3+ months. Obviously I felt like crap then mentally and physically and almost immediately after I started again, maybe within 2 or 3 weeks once I was back up above 1/2 pad. I mostly chain vape now at 6mg. I THINK I feel the same now as I did when I was not smoking/no nicotine (or smoking/7mg patch since to me I felt the same either way). So I'm thinking 6mg or there abouts is MY sweet spot for nicotine usage with minimal impact, but I'm thinking of going as low as 3 or 4mg when I start DIY to see what that feels like.
But is that just the "junkie" in me talking? Physically I can say for sure I am back to before I started smoking again. But mentally? It's very subjective I think.
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Which brings me to yet another question about her...
She keeps on claiming that being on the nicotine patch for 6 years caused her to develop high blood pressure.
And that a number of other health issues arose from (I think she says) the complications from the high blood pressure.
All of this she blames on nicotine, but I am really having a hard time understanding how that can be.
We have tons of reports of people having their blood pressure drop into the normal range after quitting smoking.
We have lots of reports of people reducing and even getting off their blood pressure medicine completely after quitting smoking.
And as far as I know, all of those people were still using nicotine.
Do you think she could be mistaken about the cause of her high blood pressure?
Do you think it has anything to do with using the patch?
Do you think she is just an exception?
My understanding is that the accepted risks are as stated by Dr. Carl Phillips...
Dr. Carl V. Phillips said:
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See my prior post on that... When I used the patch, at a certain point it made me feel like crap because I was using too high a dose for me. Nausea, racing heart, thready pulse. I would have to rip off the patch and go back to bed for awhile. And not that it matters, but I think her deal was gum.
I wonder if everyone is different, has a different threshold for certain substances. Like alcohol or caffeine? I can drink one glass of wine and be under the table while a friend my size could finish the bottle with no problem. But I could drink two pots of coffee and feel calm as a rock, and my husband would be bouncing off the walls, heart racing and eyes spinning.
I wonder if everyone is different, has a different threshold for certain substances. Like alcohol or caffeine? I can drink one glass of wine and be under the table while a friend my size could finish the bottle with no problem. But I could drink two pots of coffee and feel calm as a rock, and my husband would be bouncing off the walls, heart racing and eyes spinning.
Since nicotine is a vaso-constrictor it isn't much of a stretch to believe it contributed to her high blood pressure.
I'm interested too, because I have high BP, controlled by medication. (Quite a lot of medication.) I haven't seen the quack since I started vaping, but I'm 10 weeks 100% off the smokes. I'm running out of meds so I'm going to visit the Doc next week and I'll be interested to see what the BP is at. I'll report back in due course, both here and "over there."
He's a new doc for me, I've just moved interstate, so I've never discussed e-cigs with him, it'll be interesting to hear his opinion.
(I've got a cheapie chinese electric sphygmomanometer but the readings are so variable that I don't trust it at all.)
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So I googled it and I found a few things...
"High blood pressure by itself, or accompanied by nervous jitters and a fast heart rate, can be a sign of nicotine withdrawal. So the increase in your blood pressure could also mean you are not getting enough nicotine in the patch. For heavy smokers, a nicotine patch sometimes doesn’t deliver enough nicotine to replace what they had been getting from their cigarettes." http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Can_a_nicotine_patch_boost_my_blood_pressure.htm
Also side effects of the patch..
" Itching, burning or tingling when the patch is applied. This usually goes away within an hour, and is a result of nicotine coming in contact with the skin.
Redness or swelling at the patch site for up to 24 hours.
Dizziness
Headache
Upset stomach
Vomiting
........"
I'm NOT finding High blood pressure.
(above copied from another site...more complete block of text here) NICOTINE PATCH - TRANSDERMAL (Habitrol, Nicoderm, Nicoderm CQ, Nicotrol) side effects, medical uses, and drug interactions.
I think most likely she was messed up before, or has some other health factor she isnt telling us....like gaining 50 pounds, menopause, or stress from yelling at people all day on a quit smoking forum. Im just speculating now.
If you're referring to Katiem-she used nic gum off & on for 6 yrs not the patch.
I've quit for as long as 5 years and I don't feel any differnt now than I did then. Well....maybe less stress and no guilt from cheating.
From my understanding, nicotine has a temporary effect on heart rate and blood pressure. It does NOT cause hypertension, which is a cause of heart disease.
If anything, I would suspect that the patch is worst for blood pressure, because unlike gum or e-cigs the patch is a non-stop dose of nicotine whether you need it or not. How many of us really smoked non-stop? And then add the possibility of too high a dose and suddenly you have an artificially elevated blood pressure.
Why do you presume to know what katiem does or doesn't feel guilty about?
I could be wrong and that's just a guess. Many people have guilty feelings of the harm they know they are doing while they smoke. I'm guessing she could feel the same about smoking as with the nicotine. Your right though, perhaps she feels no guilt at all for any of it. Perhaps she just feels nothing one way or another.
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