E-Cigarette Forum Discussion Thread

[DC2]

PL/I, COBOL and Assembler running under z/OS on a IBM z Series mainframe.
That's how I compute.

<-------- RPG (and of course CL) on an IBM iSeries.

 

[LibertariaNate]

<snip>Recently I have sold more for use with the pill organizers and for feminine products than for e-cigarettes.

I checked out your site. The cases look really nice. Just curious why you didn't use the same wording on your site as above?

 

[kristin]

Thanks. I used the more popular Google search term.

I checked out your site. The cases look really nice. Just curious why you didn't use the same wording on your site as above?

 

[MagnusEunson]

For the record, I do not fancy myself the leader or moderator of anything or any one. Other than trying - along with everyone else - to keep the peace and remain civil, so I don't understand why people would get that impression of me, specifically?

It's understandable that in your role as CASAA and in the way you presented your perspective on nicotine, along with many others remaining silent (that has nothing to do with you), that people (particularly in any opposition group) look to you as the natural leader. That's always going to be the case in any social dynamic, everybody wants to concentrate their efforts on ~one~ person. Unfortunately the burden of undoing that perspective is difficult because the silent will likely remain silent even if you go.... "I don't want this"...

However, you've never taken the role but you also inadvertently assign it when you use language like "his thread".... I've done that in this thread when I was just trying to point out who was taking ~a~ lead on a particular effort. That wasn't meant to imply general leadership but it inadvertently did.

This dynamic has nothing to do you with, it just is a human thing. We're broken like that.

Also, I am not really a "supplier." My little artsy side hobby barely breaks even and my cases are sold with multiple purposes. Recently I have sold more for use with the pill organizers and for feminine products than for e-cigarettes. I'm no more of an "e-cigarette supplier" than Hobby Lobby is for selling Lorann's flavorings.

That was just credibility assassination by innuendo going on. As if there is some big $$ payment you get out of advocating e-cigs. It was part of the nonsensical undercurrent of the drama that was/is going on.

Finally, I have never claimed e-cigarettes were anything more than SAFER than tobacco cigarettes. I do not claim that they are "safe" because, while all evidence to date suggests it's highly likely to be safe for the majority of smokers, there isn't enough scientific research to "prove" it. Of course, nothing is ever proven 100% safe for 100% of the population....

Gravity is a HUGE risk to society. Without gravity so many lives would be saved from sudden impact deaths.

You didn't, people turned your nicotine argument into the sole perspective you were coming from. Even I went "Did she just say that?" when it came to some of your posts. It came across as absolute if you didn't read other posts, from you, to retain the context of how long and convoluted the whole discussion got. It was cherry-picking on the part of the readership until you could get caught up (which clearly some people in the Q didn't even bother trying to do).

Just so that is clear to anyone else who may be questioning my motivation or integrity.

Yeah yeah, same thing I hear from the Girl Scouts and their so-called fund raising cookies.. Pfft. ;-)

I'm not questioning your motivation or integrity. -Magnus

 

[renstyle]

Old Dutch chips (a local manufacturer) makes the best.

Does that put you north of me? Love those chips, they haven't even changed the ridges like Lays did with Ruffles. Prefer the sour cream n onion myself, but the dill is pretty good too.

 

[renstyle]

Up the Irons ppl...nobody should ever forget Alexander the Great!!!!

My son ask for thyself another kingdom...for that which I leave is too small for thee......(cue killer music)

The Classic Overachiever

Alexander the Great, yet another great Iron Maiden tune

(If you can't tell yet, I'm catching up on my reading... sorry if the posts dont make as much sense as when the replies are closer to the one replied). <-- Did that make sense?

 

[renstyle]

Maxboro has become my favorite. Mixed up 120ml a few days ago. Also mixed up some trial batches of Desert Ship, Camtel, and Perique Black. The DS and Perique are interesting and will likely grow on me ... I think caramel might be a good addition to the perique. I'm not sure yet about the Camtel; I tried it shortly after mixing, and it had a very strong, unpleasant musty taste.

Are you sticking with the standard concentration reccs for the tobacco flavors (these are from FA aren't they?). I was just checking out one stop DIY and resisted the FA due to their higher price (had to fill out my TFA for the better half first anyway).

Is 1-2% enough for your mixes?

 

[jtpjc]

Haven't read the last pages, but I remember someone missing a llama. It so happens, I met one yesterday:

 

[kristin]

However, you've never taken the role but you also inadvertently assign it when you use language like "his thread".... I've done that in this thread when I was just trying to point out who was taking ~a~ lead on a particular effort. That wasn't meant to imply general leadership but it inadvertently did.

Edit:

Nevermind...I'll PM you later. But thanks for your input.

 

[Randyrtx]

Are you sticking with the standard concentration reccs for the tobacco flavors (these are from FA aren't they?). I was just checking out one stop DIY and resisted the FA due to their higher price (had to fill out my TFA for the better half first anyway).

Is 1-2% enough for your mixes?

I went with around 5% Maxboro in my last batch (along with 2% EM). That yields 120 ml of liquid using the full 6ml bottle of Maxboro from OneStop. I also added about 1% MTS Vape Wizard as an experiment, but I don't know if it really make a difference.
It's good at that concentration but could possibly use a bit more or less.

OneStop will be carrying larger bottles of FA in some flavors at some point, hopefully at a better price. But still, $4.50 for flavoring for 120ml of finished liquid ain't bad.

 

[Edwv30]

For the record, I do not fancy myself the leader or moderator of anything or any one. Other than trying - along with everyone else - to keep the peace and remain civil, so I don't understand why people would get that impression of me, specifically? My only leadership duties correspond with my activism and advocacy work and trying to motivate people to get educated and involved.

Also, I am not really a "supplier." My little artsy side hobby barely breaks even and my cases are sold with multiple purposes. Recently I have sold more for use with the pill organizers and for feminine products than for e-cigarettes. I'm no more of an "e-cigarette supplier" than Hobby Lobby is for selling Lorann's flavorings.

Finally, I have never claimed e-cigarettes were anything more than SAFER than tobacco cigarettes. I do not claim that they are "safe" because, while all evidence to date suggests it's highly likely to be safe for the majority of smokers, there isn't enough scientific research to "prove" it. Of course, nothing is ever proven 100% safe for 100% of the population....

Just so that is clear to anyone else who may be questioning my motivation or integrity.

I am sorry Kristin, I didn't want my post to come across as questioning your motivation or integrity. I know you are fighting for smoking alternatives and it's appreciated on my end

I was referring more to some of the PM's I received from the other forums lumping us all into one entity\group and referring to specific members here as suppliers, leaders, etc.. Your name was never mentioned in those PM's. We all agree about a lot of things here but certainly not everything, (you should hear some of my crazy beliefs)! I just don't want us to appear as some type of "Borg" with outlandish agenda's.

 

[MustangSallie]

<-------- RPG (and of course CL) on an IBM iSeries.

Oh my goodness. How many of "us" are there in this thread? I started with COBOL/CICS - went through PowerBuilder into Java, got involved with front end work - did some Flex and now I code web apps in html/js and native mobile os apps.

And my first project in school was on punch cards.

 

[LibertariaNate]

And my first project in school was on punch cards.

Well gee golly gosh! You're old!

I never went to school, at least not for my current position. It just sort of fell in my lap, so to speak.

 

[MagnusEunson]

I never went to school, at least not for my current position. It just sort of fell in my lap, so to speak.

Good think you started w/ .NET, PHP, and Java then... that can all be done on netbooks and laptops.

I would've hated to have lost you to a Mainframe falling on your lap. At the very least your voice certainly would have a different pitch to it and your, umm, stride would too... -Magnus

 

[LibertariaNate]

Good think you started w/ .NET, PHP, and Java then... that can all be done on netbooks and laptops.

I would've hated to have lost you to a Mainframe falling on your lap. At the very least your voice certainly would have a different pitch to it and your, umm, stride would too... -Magnus

I avoid mainframes. They scare me.

Go ahead and make fun of my programming experience all you want...

 

[MustangSallie]

Well gee golly gosh! You're old!

HEY!!! You're mean! I'm not that old, unfortunately I'm a long long way away from retirement. Not sure why they had us do punch cards, not like any of us were likely to ever use them on the job. Although, my first job offer was at a dos shop. I actually accepted the job and a week later had a panic attack and reneged.

 

[LibertariaNate]

HEY!!! You're mean! I'm not that old, unfortunately I'm a long long way away from retirement. Not sure why they had us do punch cards, not like any of us were likely to ever use them on the job. Although, my first job offer was at a dos shop. I actually accepted the job and a week later had a panic attack and reneged.

You're right. That was mean. I'm sorry.

 

[MustangSallie]

You're right. That was mean. I'm sorry.

Ahhh, I was just kidding. I didn't take offense. It did make me cry a little though.

 

[MagnusEunson]

Go ahead and make fun of my programming experience all you want...

Hardly... it's commentary on your life inexperience I'm making fun of. *scampers to hide* (totally said in jest)..

No, are you kidding me? Java is every bit as mangled and difficult to work with as C++. VMware, Virtualbox, XEN, etc. are every bit as sysadmin intensive (at the same scale) as z/OS. The older languages were designed around strict types mostly and they can be fit better into state machines and diagrams that are closed (in that way they're easier to make something large scale functional if not streamlined).

I'm far more likely to develop stable maintainable software in a dialect of Lisp (http://clojure.org/ is my favorite) than I am in Java for example... but I'm hardly allowing myself the breadth of features, target platforms, libraries, etc.

So I'm not making fun of your experience. I'm just making fun of the 'fell into your lap' bit.... it was funny given the three decade and three tons of weight difference we were talking about.

-Magnus


p.s. Beside, anybody who is even willing to touch Cisco's IOS imbecile-mode mess has stones in my book.

 

[LibertariaNate]

Yesterday while I was with my family my little sister (7 years old) and I had a conversation kind of like this:

"Nate, how old are you?"
"28."
"You're old!"

I had to hold back the tears. I blame my parents...

EDIT: My comment to you did make me feel a bit better though!