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kristin

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OK, I've decided to just respond with this post (bolded and in red) and nothing else from now on when they start problems:

"This policy does NOT give members the right to lambast, condescend, ridicule or otherwise denigrate electronic cigarette users or anyone else who is continuing to use nicotine in any form.

Further, I wish to make it clear that rude, inflammatory behavior by anyone, no matter how long you have been here, will be met with warnings and/or removal from the board."

~ Fred


If we ignore the comment and just post that, there's not really any response they can really give without looking like an antagonist (ie. troll.)
 

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Yeah, we can report it too, but reports have been largely ignored by Fred and members reading the thread don't know a rule has been broken & reported. Maybe this will get Fred's attention and point out to readers of the thread who the troublemakers really are and that THEY are breaking rules, not us!
 

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Me either. I think she is a decent person who cannot see how Katie, et al are the ones really causing the problems. But Katie pretty much just confirmed that no matter how nice we e-cig users are, she will still abuse and insult us. Maybe that will open Steph's eyes a bit.

I was going to post a reply to Stephanie over there with Katie's latest posts but decided it would get us nowhere. So yes, maybe Stephanie will read what you've written here and will understand that our posts here are just a convient excuse for Katie to continue the hate campaign. But I will still keep my commitment to the treaty until Stephanie herself admits it isn't working.
 

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OK, I've decided to just respond with this post (bolded and in red) and nothing else from now on when they start problems:

"This policy does NOT give members the right to lambast, condescend, ridicule or otherwise denigrate electronic cigarette users or anyone else who is continuing to use nicotine in any form.

Further, I wish to make it clear that rude, inflammatory behavior by anyone, no matter how long you have been here, will be met with warnings and/or removal from the board."

~ Fred


If we ignore the comment and just post that, there's not really any response they can really give without looking like an antagonist (ie. troll.)

Funny, I was just thinking that from now on I will respond to any post that says we haven't quit smoking with my last post over there:

I agree that anyone using a liquid in their electronic cigarette that contains nicotine hasn't quit using nicotine. They have indeed quit smoking. Anyone using a liquid in their electronic cigarette that contains zero nicotine has quit smoking and quit using nicotine, therefore totally quit. Anyone that has quit smoking and is still using nicotine can taper their nicotine use to zero at a rate that they are comfortable with, one ml of nicotine at a time if necessary to remain comfortable. When that person is only using the electronic cigarette with zero nicotine, they can at that point choose to stop using the electronic cigarette, or they can continue to use it if that's what they want. In any case, if you have stopped smoking you have stopped smoking. There is no rational argument that can be made to the contrary.

Maybe I should take out the rational argument part.
 

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Hmmm.... considering the lack of response that got here, perhaps I should rethink my strategy? :p

Sorry, I went in the other room to talk to my hubby for a few minutes! :p

I agree that anyone using a liquid in their electronic cigarette that contains nicotine hasn't quit using nicotine. They have indeed quit smoking...if you have stopped smoking you have stopped smoking.

Period.
 

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Now that I've had a chance to read up...
Kristen speaks well, but too many deaf ears around to hear it. Bad cases of voluntary hearing for sure. Or lack of intelligence, judgment, common sense, and just plain self absorbed. But of course frieda dont care. They obviously antagonize, but he dont care.
You see the same old argument about inhaling nicotine, yet have no squabbles with nic inhalers or gum, etc. As if its not apparently 2 faced. Nope, its apparent.
Then you get some that ride curtails, like rich people carrying their toy lapdogs. Only, they aint rich. Maybe more like a pirate with the bird on the shoulder.... "Arrgh matey!"
They save by the hundreds, but only have maybe a hundred visitors, 20 of which stick around, 10 of which from here. This forum has what, 50-100 thousand ex smokers?..just sayin.
If people are so upset about what is said here, why not join and post your views....Oh thats right, you cant talk that way here.
Why dont people join there and post opinions? Freida is all about banning anyone that speaks right back in the same tone.
But thats why the few and their lapdogs bark so openly. They have found a place to be teachers pet, and love abusing such powers. Some might see it as favoritism, but I think like "the Donald"...I just call it incompetence from the powers that be.
Sorry, but "when you get caught lighting the matches all day, then fanning the flames, it has consequences". And even new people see clearly what everyone else does. A board swarming with ppl who have their noses buried far too deep where the sun dont shine, everytime they wanna act out, knowing it'll get em a free pass.
And who's this kid always posting pics, talking about his quite date? I find his way suspect, and question whether hes ever even been of legal smoking age to begin with.
Total lack of leadership that only peeks out when he hears his geese call foul, then hits the ban button.
But good news is, its a small place, and will stay that way by their own work. And righfully so. Not sure I'd subject even my worste enemy to people of that caliber. Do they really think ANYONE would take them seriously, much less care about their opinion acting that way? Just cant seem to trust a word they say, including their quite dates. I bet half of em bought an e cig already and wont admit it. Only reason to act that aggressively is if you have something to hide. Just a pathetic group all around. Glad Im not seen in their company anymore.
But If we treated them better, maybe they would treat us better.....Did she REALLY say that? Get REAL already.
They have no intentions of stopping their crap. And I dont care to entertain them, and let them set ground rules, and tell us how WERE gonna act, like we have something to hide or feel bad for. They can get a life, get a clue, grow up,...take your pick. Just immature and self absorbed crap. And were already on that board, so no need to negotiate, thanks. Its time to just start pming freddyboy and make him step up and do his job, not allow them to tell us what and where were gonna post like they own the board. They just want us to be their little puppy dogs on a string. Well, "want in one hand, ..".ya know how it goes.
Simply put, I say they can shove it, and just report em everytime they get outta line, and just get THEM banned. But then your still stuck with an incompetent mod to handle that. If my assumption is off there, perhaps fred can PROVE IT by putting his minions in line. Until then, were voluntarily allowing a few people mod the board as they see fit, and WAY outta turn. These people are the townfolk, not the lawmakers, so why are we even considering their ideas as if they have a choice in the matter? Freddyboy needs to do his job, and control his people, thats all their is to it.
Katie, steph, and lil bradly have nothing of value to offer here..NOTHING. I'm over it. They deserve to be bashed for their behavior, and fred deserves to be bashed for his lack of management. Noone can sit here and say he is totally unaware. He just lets them run a muck.
Its a sorry bunch of people, and I dont feel the least bit sorry for them, and they dont even deserve pity. Im over em.
And I'm still picturing that nicodemon, and arms flailing....still giggling.
Someone remind me why we would negotiate with a bunch of people that have been and continue to clearly break every rule that was set out by fred from the beginning, as if they have power to change those rules, when in fact, Fred shouldve simply disciplined them long ago?
 
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That, and report each and every post that breaks that rule.


I agree but it does no good in practice. Every time I’ve tried that, and I have tried many times, I get a message that it has already been reported. The real problem lies with the owner of the site. Until he steps up to the plate and enforces his own rules in an unbiased manner nothing will ever change. Every day that goes by it becomes more and more obvious that he is content to let the foxes guard the hen house.
 

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Chief, some of what you said has merit, except it isn't getting us anywhere. If we really give a crap enough to post over there in the hopes that some will see us and find e-cigs, then I think Stephanie is right. The hate has to stop. She has even said in her last post that it was both sides, and she is doubtful that it will stop over there but she is willing to try if we're willing to try. So, I am willing to try. No, I don't agree with their terminology re: the nicodeamon, or some of the phraseology they use but I can agree to stop making fun of it, if they can agree to the basics that Stephanie set forth re: us. Like stop calling us junkies and drug pushers. We'll probably never see eye to eye on a lot of things, but we can at least be respectful of the others opinions, or at least try to be respectful. So, that's what I'm going to do and hope for the best.
 
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LoL...I'm actually not a big fan of the stuff...I do know a good bit about the lore due to tv shows and books and the like but I could care less...but if I make a mod for sale you can sure bet I will capitalize on it...besides I'm more the fallout 3 game type player...have about 20 characters all maxed out on assorted styles of play...lol

I loved Fallout 3. A bit disappointed by New Vegas though. Too many glitches.
 

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Chief, some of what you said has merit, except it isn't getting us anywhere. If we really give a crap enough to post over there in the hopes that some will see us and find e-cigs, then I think Stephanie is right. The hate has to stop. She has even said in her last post that it was both sides, and she is doubtful that it will stop over there but she is willing to try if we're willing to try. So, I am willing to try. No, I don't agree with their terminology re: the nicodeamon, or some of the phraseology they use but I can agree to stop making fun of it, if they can agree to the basics that Stephanie set forth re: us. Like stop calling us junkies and drug pushers. We'll probably never see eye to eye on a lot of things, but we can at least be respectful of the others opinions, or at least try to be respectful. So, that's what I'm going to do and hope for the best.

The only problem is that you're only dealing with ONE member. If she was the only nasty one maybe it would work. Good luck.
 

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I think it's also a myth believed on the Q board, which is one of the reasons we're having such a difficult time over there.

As to your proposal, I'll go along. I don't believe it will help so I think it will be a short lived experiment, but I will give it my best shot. I think part of the problem here is ANY mention of the Q board will be looked at in a negative light, and since this thread was created to discuss the Q board I also think the mere existence of this thread is a trigger. At least for some. I believe the only way those same few will be happy is if this thread is closed. Of course I'd have to go along with the majority, since it's no fun talking to yourself, but I enjoy posting here and would be sorry to see the thread go inactive or get closed down.

I'll take it one step further and say they won't be happy unless the entire forum is closed. We could always be talking behind their backs in PM or in another thread...
 

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Steph and katie dont make the rules..PERIOD. And history has proven, and their own admission, they just antagonize at will, for various reasons, and there will always be an excuse. To even entertain them as if they have any power OTHER THAN BREAKING RULES AT WILL, is just insane. They troll that board just to be a pain because they can, and fred lets them. They use any excuse, even a bad day, to do as they wish. Fred is incompetent by choice, and they take advantage. Just a group of people that arent worth listening to, even if they can miraculously post something beyond a ramble on nonsense. They kiss .... when it suits, then stab ya in the back. Its old and worn out. They are simply a low class of people.

Edit to mean the small few. The rest of the board just stays out. I suspect if these selcet few were removed, it would just naturally liven up, as were not the only ones that dont like em. I think its their whole board.
 
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I agree but it does no good in practice. Every time I’ve tried that, and I have tried many times, I get a message that it has already been reported. The real problem lies with the owner of the site. Until he steps up to the plate and enforces his own rules in an unbiased manner nothing will ever change. Every day that goes by it becomes more and more obvious that he is content to let the foxes guard the hen house.

If it's already been reported, PM it to Fred anyway. I agree it won't do any good if he doesn't actually act, but if he gets enough flack he may finally respond.
 
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