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hobotivo

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I might have made my first convert.

As I mentioned, my wife has some mobility issues and so doesn't get out much. Yesterday we had a hairdresser arrive at our house to style her hair, we've just moved here so we've never used the guy before. As soon as he entered the house my reformed nose, now equipped with a sense of smell, could detect that he was a smoker.

I asked if he smoked (despite the obvious) and he said yes, he'd just had one before coming up to start work. I assured it him it didn't bother us at all but that we had quit 3 months ago after smoking heavily for forty years and that it was dead easy, would he be interested in knowing how?

He said he'd love to know, as both he and his wife had been trying to quit for ages, had tried all the conventional methods, even hypno, but nothing had worked. (My wife tried hypno too, years ago, and she told him she smoked immediately she left the clinic, he laughed and said he'd done exactly the same.)

I said we'd quit with electronic cigarettes, and he said he'd never heard of them. (They're as rare as rocking horse .... here in AU, so I wasn't surprised.) So I showed him my Provari and my wife took some puffs on her eGo and he looked impressed. I said that if he was interested I'd set up a couple for him to taste after the haircutting session, he said that he'd love to try.

I asked what he and his wife smoked, to get an idea for suitable flavours, and he smoked a brand I knew and his wife smoked menthols. I asked him if he fancied a tobacco flavour or something else, giving him a choice of about 30 flavours we had on hand, and he picked mocha coffee.

So he went off to do my wife's hair and I started to set up some things for him. I settled on a couple of basic cartomisers on eGo batteries and filled them with appropriate juices, at 24mg strength since he seemed pretty well addicted. I also got out some G4 clearos, and Ego tanks (A & B) and some other stuff so I could show him how different types of system were filled and maintained.

After a while he and my wife emerged, apparently the colours he used had to set for 20 minutes, or some such similar malarky that I don't pretend to understand, but anyway, there was a break. We made some coffee and he took his first vape on the Mocha.

He immediately said "This is just like smoking, I could quit with this, I'm sure."

He also wanted to try the menthol, as he sometimes smoked his wife's if he ran out. I was hoping he would try the menthol, as it provides a hit which will impress even the most jaded palate. He said "my wife is going to love this!" and vaped away happily on his mocha until the hair colour had done its thing.

After he returned to his snipping and so on I wrote up a lift of useful resources, suggested starter outfits, good suppliers, useful forums (this one at the top of the list, of course) so he had a starting point for further research.

When he finished his labours we discussed vaping a bit more, I gave him the customary warnings about it not being proven to be safe etc, showed him more stuff about the various options while he vaped happily.

He was a really nice guy, we swapped emails etc and he says he's definitely going to give it a try, and I'm sure he will.

Just a happy little story. :)

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Nice story, hobotivo. Sounds like he had an excellent first experience with vaping.

For me it was a real pleasure, having just moved interstate we don't know hardly anybody here yet, so we feel like we made a friend. The hairdresser and his wife exchanged contracts to buy their first home last Friday and they don't want to stink it up with cigarettes smoke which will be a good motivation for them. They have a lot of renovations they want to do, and not much money, so there's another.

I bet they do very well.
 
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:thumbs:Great work Hobotivo. Saving two lives at a time is pretty impressive stuff.

+ a boatload! That's a happy HUGE story! Who knows how many lives might end up saved, or at the very least made more comfortable? They might have other loved ones who smoke, he might have clients who do, it's like a communicable disease goes to Opposite World!
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I hope those who do stay will at least scan the new posts daily (as Phonedude (I think) pointed out, that doesn't take long) and help any potential e-cig user who needs it and maybe pointing them here, even at the risk of getting banned. That's about all that needs to be done. More is just pointless, they're ignorant (they won't like that, but they are) and happy in their ignorance. I pity them.

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to each their own-some there think this bunch is lost & beyond hope so its only fair???? that you see my mainsite as a lost cause. Be happy you got some converts & shed some light about continuing to use the E cig as a different delivery/quit product & then those determined to learn more can goggle your group.
 

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Beth if "some there" think we're beyond hopeless it because of the fact that we {most} don't believe in the "theories" of Spitzer, Polito or Alan Carr.
You don't want to believe in science or data so no expanding your knowledge. You don't want to see info about any thing but cold turkey for the most part and you want us to stop refuting alleged "truths" that Polito and Spitzer keep running on about in their articles but almost all of what they claim is nonsense. Do you know where Joel Spitzer obtained his addiction specialist/doctorate degree from? Do they have one? Do any of them and if they do can you tell me where it came from? I'm not trying to say you need a doctorate {maybe you do!} but you should have some kind of schooling when advising folks on medical/mental issues/advice like "nicotine kills or causes cancer" which is hogwash!
What do you know about them specifically? I'm just curious Beth.
What about Polito or Alan{joke} Carr?
It is a fact that many of you seem to take their advice as an absolute fact and also that "we must be pushing" some product and/or are "planning a war" to disrupt the qsmd site.
Nothing is further from the truth. It only shows how out of touch some of you really are.
B-rude, Lena,Skippy McGee,Rain Forest et al will go to any lengths to try and discredit us, just to remove our opinions from being heard.:glare:
Thank God for this forum and the UK forum!
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Yep home plate advantage is always nice & like you said theirs the british board,so its not like their isn't a place to tell everyone the joys of using an E cig. I wonder what other quit sites would be open to using the E cig as a quit tool-like becoming an ex or other quit sites. I don't understand why you feel that some of the long standing quitters are so out of touch (as you see it)-surely it can't be because they don't embrace using the e cig as a quit tool,that would be saying that the methods used on the Q board are useless quit methods & thats pretty igorant thing to say. For me using Wellburtrin helped but it was a change in attitude that got me to 10 months.
 
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I peeked in over there and actually read through the "treaty negotiations thread."

I came away with the impression that in addition to all that belief, and all those needs, a couple of them seem to be just plain afraid - afraid that their world will change, is changing, has changed, just like everybody else's world keeps doing. And that scares them.

Have you ever gone to visit a friend in a dorm room or an apartment, a place you've been a hundred times, but you walk into the wrong door by mistake, and there's that second where you were expecting to see this familiar place, with familiar faces, but here you are in a place you've never seen before, filled with strangers and you just have that flash of WTF?! before you figure it out?

Well, as you get older, there will be times when the whole world is like that, and it's not just a flash, it's a continuous car alarm.

It's always sad to see anybody get stuck in that, but to think of people so young already in that state - the lifespan is in the eighties now, that means a person could live half their life huddled in an old bedspread in the corner!

e-cigarettes aren't the only new thing that will be coming down the smoking cessation pike.

Maybe the ones who seem to be taking it all to heart so could start their own spin-off forum?

People with different beliefs can agree to peaceful co-existence, they can even learn from each other, and work together to make a community better in ways that will benefit everybody.

Not easy, but possible, and it does happen.

Getting change to peacefully co-exist with fear of change?

That's trickier, but not hopeless. I've learned to sort of do it with cell phones. For a long time, I had nightmares about those...
 

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Beth you are deliberately missing my point.:glare:
When you are afraid to ...ahh never mind.
Goodnight everybody!
I'm tired and I need sleep.
Beth I'm not going to explain myself anymore than I've already done.
You know what the hell I'm talking about.
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I'm sorry the ONLY point I must be "missing" that even tho E cigs have been around a short time-theirs not alot said about them either in ads or Drs. or wow-quit smoking sites so for those like me "in the dark' I'm doomed forever-Whatever-at least I'm smoke free & hopefully have quit in time to stop what damage is done & if that makes me stuck in the dark or doomed to suffer forever cause I quit w/o an E cig then who really cares. Just because this was my quit method I didn't say my way or the highway so if the e cig helps you or others like you quit then fine for you-enjoy your successes & brag all you want-it worked & was your quit method & basically its up to each of us to choose what works & do so & to let others enjoy their quit methods instead of mocking them or saying well thats igorant & not how I want to quit-what does it matter is someone holding a gun to your head basically implying you're a dumb@ss cause what worked for you is wrong.
 

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Yep home plate advantage is always nice & like you said theirs the british board,so its not like their isn't a place to tell everyone the joys of using an E cig. I wonder what other quit sites would be open to using the E cig as a quit tool-like becoming an ex or other quit sites. I don't understand why you feel that some of the long standing quitters are so out of touch (as you see it)-surely it can't be because they don't embrace using the e cig as a quit tool,that would be saying that the methods used on the Q board are useless quit methods & thats pretty igorant thing to say. For me using Wellburtrin helped but it was a change in attitude that got me to 10 months.


Because they refuse to acknowledge the new studies and research that supports harm reduction. They also refuse to acknowledge that most smokers don't WANT to quit smoking and don't care about being addicted - that quitting smoking ISN'T only about quitting "being a slave to addiction" for most smokers.

Most smokers want to quit because the SMOKE can make them sick or kill them. The "ignorant" refuse to accept the SCIENCE. Nicotine addiction therapy was a THEORY that has proven to not work for the vast majority of smokers. If smoking was truly all about addiction to nicotine then people who have quit for 20 years wouldn't start smoking again and nicotine replacement products would WORK. Claiming that quitting smoking can only be achieved by quitting nicotine and working on the assumption that ALL smokers hate being dependent on nicotine is dangerous and ignorant of the FACTS.

The difference is in the fact that most e-cigarette users report that they weren't even trying to quit smoking! If they really hated being addicted and hated smoking so much, why would they seek out an e-cigarette that mimics smoking and continues nicotine? Those smokers know smoking is bad for them, but they enjoyed it and the addictive aspect didnt bother them. Most just wanted to reduce their health risks. So for QSMB members to denigrate e-cig users because THEY think addiction is worse than smoking it is arrogant, condescending and yes - ignorant - to think that we all have to be like them or there is something wrong with us.

It's like stepping through a time warp and hearing people arguing against seat belts in cars or giving out condoms to prevent STDs and AIDS. Times have changed. Technology has changed. Research has opened more possibilities and presented new theories. To deny these facts IS out of touch with the latest research and science and the reality of how Big Pharma has played us just as well as Big Tobacco did 50 years ago.
 
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I'm sorry the ONLY point I must be "missing" that even tho E cigs have been around a short time-theirs not alot said about them either in ads or Drs. or wow-quit smoking sites so for those like me "in the dark' I'm doomed forever-Whatever-at least I'm smoke free & hopefully have quit in time to stop what damage is done & if that makes me stuck in the dark or doomed to suffer forever cause I quit w/o an E cig then who really cares. Just because this was my quit method I didn't say my way or the highway so if the e cig helps you or others like you quit then fine for you-enjoy your successes & brag all you want-it worked & was your quit method & basically its up to each of us to choose what works & do so & to let others enjoy their quit methods instead of mocking them or saying well thats igorant & not how I want to quit-what does it matter is someone holding a gun to your head basically implying you're a dumb@ss cause what worked for you is wrong.

No one is mocking QSMB members for how they quit. They are called ignorant because of how they mock US for how WE choose to quit.

If you truly feel that way (whatever works,) then none of it is directed at you - it's at those who say how we quit does matter and that we are "wrong" even though only we can know what works for us.

You say "whatever works." The people being called ignorant don't say that. They say to us - "your way is WRONG."

So, I don't understand why you take offense, because the "ignorant" comment isn't even directed at you and others who support "whatever works."
 
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Well I don't agree that some don't want to quit-when I first came there I hated being forced to quit & it was with changing my attitude that has helped me to quit. I don't care much the big bad pham co. & their take of the quit pie. Like how you all make fun of nicodemon thats what I think when you get going about big pham-i just laugh. Like of course Drs. & the big pham are hand in hand on this-you surely don't believe any of them care who quits or not & any easy out (as I see the e cig thing) will be the out the die hards who would rather smoke then quit will jump on,its almost like telling your dr. you have a plan to quit-that gets you an atta boy but everyone knows how that will turn out. I figure if we wait long enough someone will come up with another magic wand theory to try.
 
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